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sextoyking · 10-12-2004, 08:09 PM

Andrew,

Where is Wade at? I am sure he wouldn't go for releasing anyone's designs before they become public or the company has given permission??

Wade's a straight up guy, he will handle this I am sure.

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking
Andrew,

Where is Wade at? I am sure he wouldn't go for releasing anyone's designs before they become public or the company has given permission??

Wade's a straight up guy, he will handle this I am sure.

Perhaps Wade = uchase?

Would explain how he knew so much about what was happening

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios · 10-12-2004, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
But how did uchase get to see the unfinished design?

THAT is my question, not WHY you showed it to him

Regards,

Lee

How about I answer your question when you answer all my questions..

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by sextoyking
Yeh Uchase def. has some issues in the homophobic dept. Dunno mabey he is in the closet himself.

... wanna run that through with lee's CGO ??

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
How about I answer your question when you answer all my questions..

Stop evading the topic

You never got an email from me because i was busy with more important things... like running my existing sites that have full designs on them

Your turn now

Regards,

Lee

SL|M! · 10-12-2004, 08:12 PM

Still waiting on my answer...

BlueDesignStudios · 10-12-2004, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Stop evading the topic

You never got an email from me because i was busy with more important things... like running my existing sites that have full designs on them

Your turn now

Regards,

Lee

Ok so you are saying you haven't responded to my ICQ / Emails / Msg board posts etc for 6 months now because you have been too busy?

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Perhaps Wade = uchase?

Would explain how he knew so much about what was happening

Regards,

Lee

... it's amazing how scammers always find a way out. besides the bill is getting payed this week, this lowlife scumbag is still denying having done anything wrong.

... it's impossible to nail a scammer.

XPays · 10-12-2004, 08:13 PM

this is about the point where someone posts "keep your $500" we don't want your money and would rather hang this over your head forever

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by SL|M!
Still waiting on my answer...

... give us the details here !!! you came to the right thread at the right time.

... let's discuss this with lee while andre and myslef are having our lunch break.

J B · 10-12-2004, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
You never got an email from me because i was busy with more important things... like running my existing sites that have full designs on them

hmmm... so you give a project to a desgn company, they do all the designs, you tell them they need to make a few small changes and then you don't reply to any emails and icq's for 6 months while you haven't paid for the designs yet?

JJSLIMM · 10-12-2004, 08:19 PM

My 2 cents...

I have known Bluedesignstudios for years now.. They are EXTREMELY professional! Andrew has great business ethics to back up his quality work.

For those of you who don't know ....Just do a search on here and you will find I am not the only one that feels that way.

I suggest working things out in a professional way..I'm sure Andrew has a very fair solution.

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J B
hmmm... so you give a project to a desgn company, they do all the designs, you tell them they need to make a few small changes and then you don't reply to any emails and icq's for 6 months while you haven't paid for the designs yet?

Yes.

Its called prioritizing.

Working on a 'new' design isnt as important as working on existing sites.

As a businessman i would expect you would rather work to keep your income stream flowing rather than stopping it in order to work on something else would you not?

Regards,

Lee

SL|M! · 10-12-2004, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by uchase/webpry
... give us the details here !!! you came to the right thread at the right time.

... let's discuss this with lee while andre and myslef are having our lunch break.

Drama has been resolved..lol

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J B
hmmm... so you give a project to a desgn company, they do all the designs, you tell them they need to make a few small changes and then you don't reply to any emails and icq's for 6 months while you haven't paid for the designs yet?

... sounds pretty much like him.

XPays · 10-12-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
Yes.

Its called prioritizing.

Regards,

Lee

it's called screwing your vendors

XPays · 10-12-2004, 08:22 PM

pay for it personally and let your company reimburse you

BlueDesignStudios · 10-12-2004, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J B
hmmm... so you give a project to a desgn company, they do all the designs, you tell them they need to make a few small changes and then you don't reply to any emails and icq's for 6 months while you haven't paid for the designs yet?

Anyone who is just starting to read the thread on this page, this is a neat summary that cuts through all the bullshit.

J B · 10-12-2004, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Yes.

Its called prioritizing.

Working on a 'new' design isnt as important as working on existing sites.

As a businessman i would expect you would rather work to keep your income stream flowing rather than stopping it in order to work on something else would you not?

Regards,

Lee

Well, talking about prioritizing... as a businessman I make sure that all my bills are paid.

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
Anyone who is just starting to read the thread on this page, this is a neat summary that cuts through all the bullshit.

Your turn to answer how uchase got hold of the uncompleted design now i do beleive.

Regards,

Lee

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XPays
pay for it personally and let your company reimburse you

he'd have to pimp out his lover !!!

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J B
Well, talking about prioritizing... as a businessman I make sure that all my bills are paid.

So do i.

However, in order to pay bills, you need to have an invoice otherwise, im sure you will be aware, accounting doesnt pay them out.

Regards,

Lee

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XPays
pay for it personally and let your company reimburse you

Thats never going to happen

As far as im concerned we shouldnt be paying them at all.

Regards,

Lee

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Your turn to answer how uchase got hold of the uncompleted design now i do beleive.

Regards,

Lee

... can't you fucking read cockhead, it was posted here a couple of times, stop repeating yourself.

SureFire · 10-12-2004, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
Yes.

Its called prioritizing.

Working on a 'new' design isnt as important as working on existing sites.

As a businessman i would expect you would rather work to keep your income stream flowing rather than stopping it in order to work on something else would you not?

Regards,

Lee

But you can spend time posting here rather than responding to emails or ICQs that would give you more of a selling/marketing advantage?

Doesn't make sense to me

XPays · 10-12-2004, 08:30 PM

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Hell yes.

We have over 500 domains just sitting at various registrars and less than 10% of them are ever going to get used.

Its annoying though because we have some sweet ones just sitting there collecting dust.

Regards,

Lee
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Give them domains that appraise to $500+ and call it a day

J B · 10-12-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
So do i.

However, in order to pay bills, you need to have an invoice otherwise, im sure you will be aware, accounting doesnt pay them out.

Regards,

Lee

Well, you told them they need to make a few changes and then you didn't reply to any emails and icq's for 6 months. I guess they did about 90% of the work already. Should they wait more than 6 months to get paid for that? I wouldn't have had that much patience and would have sent you the invoice after the first month of unanswered emails and icq's but they tried to contact you over and over...

I hope this isn't fake drama again

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:32 PM

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Well, you told them they need to make a few changes and then you didn't reply to any emails and icq's for 6 months.

You have seen these emails and icqs i take it?

Quote:

I guess they did about 90% of the work already.

You would accept that as a completed site?

Quote:

I wouldn't have had that much patience and would have sent you the invoice after the first month of unanswered emails and icq's but they tried to contact you over and over...

I hope this isn't fake drama again

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Yet they didnt and prolonged the process.. go figure [shrug]

Regards,

Lee

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XPays

Give them domains that appraise to $500+ and call it a day

XPays · 10-12-2004, 08:35 PM

if this thread was the $100 1000 view thread marty offered you, you would have had it

XPays · 10-12-2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by uchase/webpry

you should change your sig to show the running total of the amount owed- like the thing in nyc with the national debt rolling...

J B · 10-12-2004, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by European Lee
You have seen these emails and icqs i take it?

No, but you said that they did send you emails and icq's earlier in this thread.

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Originally posted by European Lee
You would accept that as a completed site?

No, but they should not wait for 6 months to get paid for the work they did.

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by J B
No, but they should not wait for 6 months to get paid for the work they did.

That we both agree on however, things happen.

Would you have taken it to the board a professional though?

Regards,

Lee

TDF · 10-12-2004, 08:46 PM

another thread when so called players go wrong

the_wizz · 10-12-2004, 08:47 PM

I tell you what, I don't think I'd do business with any of the parties involved in this mess.

It wasn't very professional of uchase/webby whatever to start this mess in the first place unless he is in direct relation to BDS. BDS should have said something earlier than the second page, and from there it should have been handled privately between Lee and BDS.

This reminds me of those collection people that keep calling when you have a bill thats 31 days past due. Of course, you can get them to stop by sending them a letter.

Anywho, lets move on to real drama.

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by the_wizz
Anywho, lets move on to real drama.

Nah im fine on this topic.

The more posts this thread get from BDS flunkies the worse they look ultimately.

I couldnt care less about paying them the $550 for an incomplete design.

As long as potential clients of theirs see how unprofessional they are, thats good enough for me

Regards,

Lee

SureFire · 10-12-2004, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Nah im fine on this topic.

The more posts this thread get from BDS flunkies the worse they look ultimately.

I couldnt care less about paying them the $550 for an incomplete design.

As long as potential clients of theirs see how unprofessional they are, thats good enough for me

Regards,

Lee

I am not a "BDS flunky" just a poster on this board. Regards Lee, you may want to think this out. I am a designer so I don't need to hire another company but I do need sponsors and there are a lot to chose from.

J B · 10-12-2004, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
That we both agree on however, things happen.

Would you have taken it to the board a professional though?

Regards,

Lee

Well, it's never professional to take something like this to the board but what can you do if the other party has ignored you for 6 month?

And as I said, I wouldn't have been that patient anyway and would have sent you the invoice after the first month of unanswered emails and icq's.

IMHO it was not professional to ignore their emails/icq's and don't pay them for their work for 6 months either.

BlueDesignStudios · 10-12-2004, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
That we both agree on however, things happen.

Would you have taken it to the board a professional though?

Regards,

Lee

What other options do I have when you don't respond to my ICQ/Email/Msg board prompts for 6 months?

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
What other options do I have when you don't respond to my ICQ/Email/Msg board prompts for 6 months?

So its true that you did realize that uchase was bringing this to the boards?

Interesting way to do business, were you not man enough to handle it yourself?

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios · 10-12-2004, 09:05 PM

My ICQ history looks like (repeated for 6 months):

Monday: Hi Lee, please contact me to let me know what's going on with the european webmaster site
Tuesday: Hey Lee, let me know when you're about so we can get this sorted
Wednesday: Lee, hit me up when you're around.
Thursday: Are you there?
Friday: Contact me about the european webmaster site please
Saturday: Are you in Lee?
Sunday: Hey Lee, when you get a moment could you let me know the status on the european webmaster site

(no response to the above msgs obviously)

Email history (at least once a week)

Hi Lee,

Can you let me know what's going on with the European Webmaster site. We are eager to get this job completed for you asap. Please let me know if you require any more changes.

Kind Regards,
Andrew

Lucky for Lee he gets to prioritize, I've wasted too much time just trying to get a response.

Sharky · 10-12-2004, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Nah im fine on this topic.

The more posts this thread get from BDS flunkies the worse they look ultimately.

I couldnt care less about paying them the $550 for an incomplete design.

As long as potential clients of theirs see how unprofessional they are, thats good enough for me

Regards,

Lee

Lee,

It's sounding like you dropped the ball in getting them the final info and you are making them suffer without the pay for work that was done. I'm sure they've already paid their employees for this work, they deserve to be at least paid for their time so far.

When we accept work from clients who pay at the end of the project, it is done under the assumption the client will respond in a timely manner. If not, we require an accelerated payment to cover the time already spent on the project.

This would be different if you paid a deposit up front, did you?

I have a mainstream client who has not sent me the final 5% of copy for his site we built 14 months ago. He paid 50% up front, and after 60 days with no progress he paid the balance of the invoice. I contact him monthly, as a reminder, and he lets me know it is not a priority. I'm not left without pay, and he knows his project will be completed when he is ready.

I don't think Blue Design is looking in a bad light here to be honest. You didn't respond to any of his messages about this, you were in the wrong. He probably wrote this off as bad debt and used the design to showcase as a sample to future PAYING clients.

You know I love you Lee, but you are wrong here. Plain and simple.

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 09:06 PM

Once a week or once a month like you originally stated Andrew?

Your story is starting to get skewed.

Again, were you not man enough to bring this to the boards yourself that you had to get a troll to do your dirty work for you?

I thought better of you than that

Regards,

Lee

Centurion · 10-12-2004, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J B
Well, it's never professional to take something like this to the board but what can you do if the other party has ignored you for 6 month?

And as I said, I wouldn't have been that patient anyway and would have sent you the invoice after the first month of unanswered emails and icq's.

IMHO it was not professional to ignore their emails/icq's and don't pay them for their work for 6 months either.

Good grief. This whole thing has gotten down right embarrassing.
Should go to email/icq/telephone/snail mail!

And for one party..really nailing yourself into a hole big time.

Dawgy · 10-12-2004, 09:08 PM

i dont really give a damn about who paid who or who saw what first, but the fact that uchase feels the need to call someone a fag and insult them constantly shows that he is an immature, uneducated and insecure idiot.

if people expect business problems to be solved professionally, they should act like a professional, not a 15 year old insecure homophobic jock trying to impress his buddies.

Centurion · 10-12-2004, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
i dont really give a damn about who paid who or who saw what first, but the fact that uchase feels the need to call someone a fag and insult them constantly shows that he is an immature, uneducated and insecure idiot.

if people expect business problems to be solved professionally, they should act like a professional, not a 15 year old insecure homophobic jock trying to impress his buddies.

European Lee · 10-12-2004, 09:10 PM

Sharky,

I agree we were in the wrong.

Its totally on me and i accept that.

What im not happy with is the way in which Blue Design Studios and especially Andrew got someone else to do his dirty work for him.

BDS is going to be paid as i have already stated an again i accept responsibility for the lapse in communication on my part however, changing his story part way through a thread to make himself look better is just downright crazy.

One post its a month, the next its a week, the next who knows.

Anyway regardless, yes im at fault here, i will openly admit that, i would be a liar to say otherwise and thats one thing i am not.

But could this have been handled a little better by Andrews hired help? Oh yes.

Regards,

Lee

Sharky · 10-12-2004, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Sharky,

I agree we were in the wrong.

Its totally on me and i accept that.

What im not happy with is the way in which Blue Design Studios and especially Andrew got someone else to do his dirty work for him.

BDS is going to be paid as i have already stated an again i accept responsibility for the lapse in communication on my part however, changing his story part way through a thread to make himself look better is just downright crazy.

One post its a month, the next its a week, the next who knows.

Anyway regardless, yes im at fault here, i will openly admit that, i would be a liar to say otherwise and thats one thing i am not.

But could this have been handled a little better by Andrews hired help? Oh yes.

Regards,

Lee

It might not have been the best way to go about it, but it did get your attention, right?

I have no idea who this guy is, or if Blue Design had him post it... but it does look like it.

sextoyking · 10-12-2004, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
i dont really give a damn about who paid who or who saw what first, but the fact that uchase feels the need to call someone a fag and insult them constantly shows that he is an immature, uneducated and insecure idiot.

if people expect business problems to be solved professionally, they should act like a professional, not a 15 year old insecure homophobic jock trying to impress his buddies.

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Well said Dawgy!!

How's it going mano?

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the_wizz Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: hmmm..... Posts: 1,633	I tell you what, I don't think I'd do business with any of the parties involved in this mess. It wasn't very professional of uchase/webby whatever to start this mess in the first place unless he is in direct relation to BDS. BDS should have said something earlier than the second page, and from there it should have been handled privately between Lee and BDS. This reminds me of those collection people that keep calling when you have a bill thats 31 days past due. Of course, you can get them to stop by sending them a letter. Anywho, lets move on to real drama. __________________ Promote the Best

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BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	My ICQ history looks like (repeated for 6 months): Monday: Hi Lee, please contact me to let me know what's going on with the european webmaster site Tuesday: Hey Lee, let me know when you're about so we can get this sorted Wednesday: Lee, hit me up when you're around. Thursday: Are you there? Friday: Contact me about the european webmaster site please Saturday: Are you in Lee? Sunday: Hey Lee, when you get a moment could you let me know the status on the european webmaster site (no response to the above msgs obviously) Email history (at least once a week) Hi Lee, Can you let me know what's going on with the European Webmaster site. We are eager to get this job completed for you asap. Please let me know if you require any more changes. Kind Regards, Andrew Lucky for Lee he gets to prioritize, I've wasted too much time just trying to get a response. __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

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European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	Once a week or once a month like you originally stated Andrew? Your story is starting to get skewed. Again, were you not man enough to bring this to the boards yourself that you had to get a troll to do your dirty work for you? I thought better of you than that Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

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10-12-2004, 09:10 PM	#148
European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	Sharky, I agree we were in the wrong. Its totally on me and i accept that. What im not happy with is the way in which Blue Design Studios and especially Andrew got someone else to do his dirty work for him. BDS is going to be paid as i have already stated an again i accept responsibility for the lapse in communication on my part however, changing his story part way through a thread to make himself look better is just downright crazy. One post its a month, the next its a week, the next who knows. Anyway regardless, yes im at fault here, i will openly admit that, i would be a liar to say otherwise and thats one thing i am not. But could this have been handled a little better by Andrews hired help? Oh yes. Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT