To a certain extent it does - it's really 'catch-22'.

They'll make it. If you don't use it, it's no use to make it. If you use it but accept other types of galleries, you won't profit from the new way. It's a vicious circle - one everyone should start thinking about and choose a side cuz eventually, when the governments realize that 2257 didn't really change anything on the real Porn world - meaning that it's not use producing/promoting C-P, then they'll find some other way to come in and 'regulate'.

WOW This is a blast from the past... great idea but I don't think something like this will happen till the goverments decide enough is enough and do something about all the free porn out their!

This isn't true, I have both TGP2 style and standard galleries on my sites. The TGP2 galleries outperform the others. They have since last summer when I first started using them, so that's too long to be a statistical fluke. I'm fairly sure if my site had nothing but tgp2 galleries it would be even more profitable, however people aren't going to turn away from them just because there's a gallery with 16 pics listed next to it. They see the content, they see all the extra ads, and if they like it they will respond regardless of what the gallery next to it is doing.

yeah i understand that it was a whole other matter, in that they had to comply or "get busted"....but circumstances aside, it was still proof that the industry can move in unison IF they're motivated enough

and you make a good point that switching to a TGP2 type promo model would have more than just the conversion benefit. self regulation is something else that a lot of people are barking about but not really biting.

That was and still is one of the biggest factors with tgp2... back when it big most tgp2's wouldn't trade with regular tgp's because they said they wouldn't bookmark a tgp2... I didn't agree with it then and I still don't agree with it... free porn is free porn!

Stupid idea to begin with.
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yeah that makes no sense at all... it's really hard to build a site or a network of sites without trading with some existing traffic sources. For that matter bookmarkers aren't even as much of a concern now as they used to be, with the advent of skimming trade scripts

Great idea man!! :thumbsup

As you already said, there is toooooooo much free porn out there!!

This idea was awesome. Thing is most people look at traffic as their income not convertions. You will always get more traffic going to normal TGPs because their is more free stuff there.

It's really a shame that people didn't try this. It is possible to change still, but enough people would have to do it.

Did I just step into a newb board?? TGP2 tried and failed.

People are cheap, and want free porn. So it should be either no free porn at all, or just keep going as we have been.

but the question is "why did it fail?" because the consumer has such a tight grip on the throats of the supplier?

IMO, porn is an irreplaceable commodity, like gas. and if what i learned in econ is right, getting rid of some of the free porn out there isn't gonna make people stop buying porn altogether

This is true. I think it is more of an issue of people are scared to try because they are afraid of what the next guy is doing.

woot, thanks buddy :thumbsup

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we need some changes in this industry... thats for sure!

fast post:
CUT THE SUPPLY TO FREE PORN SITES (LIKE TGPS AND PICPOSTS) AND THEY WILL DIE.

long post:
we are looking at all this wrong.
we are isolating TGP2 and their good intentions instead of regular TGP and what they our doing to our bank account.
the first step we need to do is to understand that tgps are the problem!


lets get the facts straight:
1) free porn is killing adult webmaster's money (we all know that, don't we)
2) tgp's are the greatest resources for free porn

conclusion 1:
if we all want to make more money we need to kill tgp.

issue: how to kill tpg's? impossible? bullshit, they are already not very profitable.
solution:
every website on the net feeds from traffic sources, and without them - the site will die.
tgp's are not different.
what are tgp's traffic sources?
submitters, other tgp's, paid traffic/spots, se, blogs, linklists

more facts:
1) tgp traffic is shit

conclusion 2:
trading traffic with tgp's will give you next to nothing other than bandwidth burning.
(not even outgoing traffic cause they only want free porn, unless you skim - they are worthless)

final conclusion:
CUT THE SUPPLY TO FREE PORN SITES (LIKE TGP'S AND PICPOSTS) AND THEY WILL DIE.

a lot of top lists (the ones that actually keep their toplist in good quality and keep the traffic productive so they can make sales themselves) are not accepting tgp's in their listings.
a lot of big sites/directories in certain niches (like pantyhosemama for example) do not accept tgps on their listings.
it seems that the better the traffic is on a certain site - the less chance they would trade traffic with a tgp.

let's say you have a very small site that managed to get some SE traffic,
would you be retarded enough to trade traffic with a tgp?
let's say you have a good boot fetish directory with tons of bookmarks that click the sponsors every time you put up some new ones, would you be retarded enough to trade traffic with a CJ?

it's all about keep YOUR traffic quality traffic with which you can make money with.
once YOU understand that, sites that YOU conclude give away too much free porn like tgps, picposts, CJ, or just pages with tons of links to hosted galleries, will have to BUY TRAFFIC and PAID POSTS which will make it not worthy to ever start a tgp.

more thoughts I have on this:
why do most porn sites/pages whatever do not link to hate/warez/dialers/virus containing sites? the content of that site hurt their business.
linking to sites with dialers will not hurt your business more than linking to sites with free porn! linking to dialers/annoying chained popups sites will hurt your surfers- linking to too much free porn sites will hurt YOUR MONEY.

we need to aspire for those massively free porn giving sites to be hard to find, so we can first makes sales - then the surfers can find their ways to those sites cause we don't care anymore.
so many copy the same trading rules from one another, why can't: "No TGP/CJ/Saturated free porn" be one of them?

by the way I DO have a few tgp's of my own as well.

^^^
and that is why most people do not take any of this tgp2 stuff very seriously...

my only point was sending normal tgp traffic to a tgp2 gallery will typically increase conversions. eliminating tgps as a traffic source would be counterproductive

I like the idea. I hit you on icq :thumbsup

what Zester is saying makes perfect sense, but I agree with AmateurFlix in that simply trying to "kill" TGP's would not work. it's too sudden. a change like this would need to be gradual like, as AmateurFlix said, shifting TGP traffic to TGP2 or TGP2 type galleries

i hope some of you folks that are reading this and have "connections" are sending a link to "players" in the biz :p

If you look around these days most of the tgp owners that make there own galleries for there tgps are only using a few softcore pics to increase there sales!

As for the traffic if I trade traffic with a tgp site and burn a 1/4 of the bw and make more sales then I'm a happy camper!

fact: I just made my first sale. It came from a TGP2 gallery with very little traffic.
conclusion: It works, if the traffic is there.

TGP2 did not fail. We're just too greedy, giving away too much content. Yeah, right...greedy. Everybody wants max. bookmarkers these days. If we'd all limit ourselfes, the world would be better.

Btw: There's still a place to discuss tgp2. There's still infrastructure waiting to get used. You just need the will to do it.

I've still got galleries making me sales back from this thread was first started... alot of people would rather look at their counter then at there stats!

so, traffic is not king after all.....?

Is there a set of updated rules for TGP2 I can take a look at? URL pls.

intersting idea!

Traffic will always be king I think - getting more bang for your traffic is what we have to focus on. Having pretty designs & the best paysites/sponsors won't make you money if you don't have traffic - let's be realistic here.

Knocking TGPs as a traffic source is not reasonable - it is still one of the best places to get traffic and lots of it. It's where most of us (myself included) entered into the business either by submitting galleries or starting your own little TGP along with building free sites.

It's a different traffic channel and has to be understood and marketed to differently. Not sure cutting the supply to TGPs will solve anything - some are big enough to keep it trading within their own networks and they possess the SE savoir-faire to continue to keep their listings on search engines and keep their flow of new traffic. They can even afford their own designers to keep all the traffic - so you aren't really hurting them, you may actually be hurting yourselves - by not having enough traffic to feed your trades.

very true. i didn't mean that traffic isn't king in that "we don't need traffic". that would be ridiculous. but the idea that "traffic is king" has seemed to translate to people that getting traffic by any means necessary, in our case - giving out as much free porn as possible - would result in more sales. while that's not a bad idea on the surface, i think that we're starting to see the actual effects it is having on the industry. conversion ratios are falling, we KNOW why they're falling, yet we haven't really attacked the issue head-on in bringing them back up.

as for TGP's, they are a good source of traffic, but I wonder what kind of traffic. now that we know what the business model results in, why do we continue to support TGP's as they stand. if TGP traffic/conversion trends were a stock trend, brokers would be selling it like mad.

It would be stupid to knock tgps when you can use them to feed your own sites etc and makes sales from the same traffic... that was one of the biggest problems with tgp2 is most owners didn't want to trade with regular tgps and it was one of the reasons that it all fell apart at the seams.

I'm still running a couple of small tgp2's that only list my galleries and they are feed from internal traffic and trades with tgp's and the ratios are amazing!

ok. so we don't kill tgps.

but if you have a toplist, blog, linklist or even a shitty little page that gets about 50 hits a day but very targeted quality traffic: why should you trade with a tgp that will give you crap traffic in return? you should trade with the site with the same quality of traffic

tgp traffic is for galleries and for other tgps.

The only way tgps will die is if they kill themselves. Water flows downhill ... and the only thing that could take traffic from tgp is something that gives more for free. Thats why tgp2 died ... the tgp2's were feeding the tgps with fresh traffic.

Tgp is already turning into a shitstorm, with paid partner accounts priced for maximum profit, rules that simply don't give the webmaster a chance to market well etc. However if profit falls enough then they will self regulate or just die out. I personally don't care .. I moved away from tgp a long time ago.... and as long as it keeps 90% of the get rich quick newbies occupied less competition outside the tgp game.

wow how much did the industry change since this thread was started....

you deserve two thumbs up...........

it's like being in a time capsule

by the bump this thread gets it seem this thread is eternal

Any TGP would be stupid to do this... like others have said.. they will simply lose traffic and make other TGPs stronger. This has been talked about for YEARS and nothing will change, this is not a regulated industry... a TGP owner will do what he/she wants, and if their making $50k+/m their not going to risk any loss of traffic to try and let some gallery submitters convert better.

Change is the only thing constant. :)

Wow, interesting...but all lemmings are still marching straight to the cliff

not much, this industry is still killing itself

wow, this thread sure brought back memories, I wonder what happened to Wolfshade, he was the one who showed me how to make a sexshare account back in '99 :)