Has evolution been completely proven?

[graphical x]

Or does it remain a theory? Why not LAW of evolution? Like the Law of Physics, etc?

[Young]

Hey it beats Creationism any day when it comes to logic....so as far as I'm concerned its been proven.

[kaori]

For humans, it's still a theory.. there's that pesky 'missing link'

[Rob]

Yes. It is now a fact.

[AmigoPorn]

Evolution means slow change.
To prove evolution on a laboratory you're gonna need many millions of years.

[DaddyHalbucks]

The theory of evolution is proven, and re-proven. The fossil records prove it, the living animals prove it, and the DNA proves it.

All the pieces to the billion year old natural history puzzle haven't been found yet --but most of the major rules, and some of the big events, are known.

Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.

[blazi]

we have enough laws to confuse ourselves with

[Fletch XXX]

You can always tell who didnt finish highschool and definitely never attended a college course on this board.

[poorwebmaster]

[je_rome]

yes, evolution has already been proven since Darwin proposed this theory..it beats the genesis version anyway.

[I Fucked Her]

Who cares ? One day or another we will still die

[Splum]

Yes just look at all the slimeball slugs on here...

Just kiddding people!

[CC]

Originally Posted by kaori

For humans, it's still a theory.. there's that pesky 'missing link'

Then what do you call Lucy?

[DomC]

whoa boy....

you can not "prove it," like say Netwon's laws of mechanics...
or search for evidence that might prove a cohesive theory string theory in quantum physics...

you can get a magic eight-ball answer "all signs lead to yes..."

[jayeff]

The number of observations which confirm the concept of evolution is overwhelming. But I'm not sure that can amount to "proof" so long as there is still disagreement among scientists as to the precise mechanism involved in evolution.

[kaori]

Originally Posted by CC

Then what do you call Lucy?

last I read, there wasn't enough of her skull to actually determine what she is...
other than she doesn't seem to be a true ancestor of humans ;)

[sextoyking]

Well said...

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Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.

[graphical x]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

You can always tell who didnt finish highschool and definitely never attended a college course on this board.

Critical thinking is the highest form of thinking. I like to question things before I 'believe' in it. Your ad hominem attacks seem to suggest your own feelings of mental inferiority.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The theory of evolution is proven, and re-proven. The fossil records prove it, the living animals prove it, and the DNA proves it.

All the pieces to the billion year old natural history puzzle haven't been found yet --but most of the major rules, and some of the big events, are known.

Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.

unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by sextoyking

Well said...

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Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.

How it Happened (by Issiac Asimov)
My brother began to dictate in his best oratorical style, the one which has the tribes hanging on his words.

"In the beginning," he said, "exactly fifteen point two billion years ago, there was a big bang and the Universe--"

But I had stopped writing. "Fifteen billion years ago?" I said incredulously.

"Absolutely," he said. "I'm inspired."

"I don't question your inspiration," I said. (I had better not. He's three years younger than I am, but I don't try questioning his inspiration. Neither does anyone else or there's hell to pay.) "But are you going to tell the story of the Creation over a period of fifteen billion years?"

"I have to," said my brother. "That's how long it took. I have it all in here," he tapped his forehead, "and it's on the very highest authority."

By now I had put down my stylus. "Do you know the price of papyrus?" I said.

"What?" (He may be inspired but I frequently noticed that the inspiration didn't include such sordid matters as the price of papyrus.)

I said, "Suppose you describe one million years of events to each roll of papyrus. That means you'll have to fill fifteen thousand rolls. You'll have to talk long enough to fill them and you know that you begin to stammer after a while. I'll have to write enough to fill them and my fingers will fall off. And even if we can afford all that papyrus and you have the voice and I have the strength, who's going to copy it? We've got to have a guarantee of a hundred copies before we can publish and without that where will we get royalties from?"

My brother thought awhile. He said, "You think I ought to cut it down?"

"Way down," I said, "if you expect to reach the public."

"How about a hundred years?" he said.

"How about six days?" I said.

He said horrified, "You can't squeeze Creation into six days."

I said, "This is all the papyrus I have. What do you think?"

"Oh, well," he said, and began to dictate again, "In the beginning-- Does it have to be six days, Aaron?"

I said, firmly, "Six days, Moses."

There are a lot of highly respected scientist and professional people believe that God created the universe (including Albert Einstein). This belief/theory is what Creationism ('inteligent design') truly is.

[dozey]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

In the mean time, it sure beats an unexplained benevolent force / entity "creating" everything. Though if you put evolution and "intelligent design" side by side, it becomes pretty clear which one sounds like unfounded rubbish.

[Joe Citizen]

It's funny watching all the scientifically illiterate, god created everything, blissfully ignorant monkey's coming out to play...

The bottom line is there is not one single objection to evolution that hasn't been discredited and responded to dozens of times... by these idiots just never give up.

[rickholio]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

That is precisely what is studied on a daily basis. However, those studies take place on organisms that exist in extremely large populations, with very short lifespans, so as to exaggerate the effects.

It's called 'culturing'. Biologists study the evolution and mutation of bacteria and various single-celled organisms constantly.

Basically, the ID brigade have all said "Okay, fine, we give up. Evolution is real... but a HIGHER INTELLIGENCE designed it!" with the obvious implicaiton that the higher intelligence is supposed to be God.

Of course, it goes right back to the same primate insticts where primitive man was convinced that angry sky gods cause the heavens to crack open and cry tears of anger. Water from the sky, the gods are angry! Run Grok, hide in the cave! Nggganaaahhh!

[rickholio]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

It's funny watching all the scientifically illiterate, god created everything, blissfully ignorant monkey's coming out to play...

The bottom line is there is not one single objection to evolution that hasn't been discredited and responded to dozens of times... by these idiots just never give up.

In many cases, I've started to encourage them.

No, seriously. The economy ain't that shit hot to begin with. The less GOOD competition, the better. Let the peons cling to their belief as a substitute for reason... I'll be walking away with their money, their jobs, or both.

Hey ID guys! I bet God thinks that... uh... MATH is all bullshit too! Most of our math today is either from arabs or 'old europe' anyways! Run with it!

[cspdinc]

I heard a TV pastor say the other nite that dinosour fossils where PLACED there by god for us to find and the world is still only a few thousand years old.. Yeah right,

[Victor-E]

It's funny how we all become curious about god and evolution only AFTER we get tired of masturbating.

[jojojo]

its just as hard to believe that there was a big bang and this world/planet was spontaneously created and then we evolved into what we are and there is no higher power involved and life is completely useless... no purpose at all... we are just highly evolved mammals who eat sleep shit then die. no afterlife no nothing. consume fuck die thats it - its all coincidence.

as it is to believe that God created everything.

I went to this thing called Alpha and basically the authenticity of the bible etc has been validated in many ways etc...

I'm not saying that I believe 100% in either theory but I agree each theory is pretty hard to believe.

I also know that if you believe in god and there turns out there IS a god you are set You might as well believe in god since you have nothing to lose and everything to gain...

[aico]

If you made evolution a law, there would be too many arrests.

[rickholio]

Originally Posted by jojojo

I also know that if you believe in god and there turns out there IS a god you are set You might as well believe in god since you have nothing to lose and everything to gain...

Unless you don't consider either
a) giving up your free will and living a lifetime of guilt and servitude, or
b) living a life of 100% pure hypocrisy
... to be 'something to lose'.

[devilspost]

Majority of Americans Reject Theory of Evolution

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/ar...24100409990019

51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.

[devilspost]

Chyna's clit evolved

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by dozey

In the mean time, it sure beats an unexplained benevolent force / entity "creating" everything. Though if you put evolution and "intelligent design" side by side, it becomes pretty clear which one sounds like unfounded rubbish.

Actually you should be saying that if you put evolution theory (darwinism) and Genisis theory (biblism) against each other both have critical flaws.

Darwin's theory of evolution when first created was predicated on an assumption that God does not exist. The purpose evolution was to explain how we came into being by truly random events.

both Biblism and Darwinism are dependent on you ignoring the universe as a whole to establish their validity.

Biblism ignore all history which contradicts concept that God waved his hands and created the earth in 6 days.

Darwinism ignores the fact that it is statistically impossible (1:16.7 billion) that the "big bang" not only made carbon the dominate element but threw off the exact amount that would allow intelligent life to form (to much or to little and we have a universe where pond scum is the only life that exists)

[sacX]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

Actually you should be saying that if you put evolution theory (darwinism) and Genisis theory (biblism) against each other both have critical flaws.

Darwin's theory of evolution when first created was predicated on an assumption that God does not exist. The purpose evolution was to explain how we came into being by truly random events.

both Biblism and Darwinism are dependent on you ignoring the universe as a whole to establish their validity.

Biblism ignore all history which contradicts concept that God waved his hands and created the earth in 6 days.

Darwinism ignores the fact that it is statistically impossible (1:16.7 billion) that the "big bang" not only made carbon the dominate element but threw off the exact amount that would allow intelligent life to form (to much or to little and we have a universe where pond scum is the only life that exists)

Darwin doesn't address how life started it addresses how life evolved once started. It doesn't have anything to do with God.

Also to say that it is purely random is ignoring a whole part of the theory. Yes mutations the raw material of evolution are random, but the strength of the theory of evolution is natural selection, the fittest organisms in an environment are those most likely to reproduce and continue. If the environment changes then different characteristics are selected for.

The Bible has critical flaws because you can't prove that it is false. If you find a critical flaw in Darwin's theory then you'll win the next Nobel prize in science. No one with an ounce of credibility has been able to find a *critical flaw* in evolution, in spite of over a century of trying. Remember when Darwin wrote this book we didn't even know about chromosomes and DNA and these huge advances in science could have easily discredited Darwin's work and shown us a new way. All they have done is reinforced his ideas in GRANITE.

The beauty of science is that theories often have a short lifespan, someone comes along and proves something convincingly wrong and the theory falls apart. Maybe this will one day happen to evolution too, but we've been waiting almost 150 years.

[munki]

Wasn't this covered in Evolution Schmevolution on The Daily Show a while back?

[Paul Waters]

Originally Posted by kaori

For humans, it's still a theory.. there's that pesky 'missing link'

It's living in the white house.

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by Paul Waters

It's living in the white house.

lol good point

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by sacX

Darwin doesn't address how life started it addresses how life evolved once started. It doesn't have anything to do with God.

Also to say that it is purely random is ignoring a whole part of the theory. Yes mutations the raw material of evolution are random, but the strength of the theory of evolution is natural selection, the fittest organisms in an environment are those most likely to reproduce and continue. If the environment changes then different characteristics are selected for.

The Bible has critical flaws because you can't prove that it is false. If you find a critical flaw in Darwin's theory then you'll win the next Nobel prize in science. No one with an ounce of credibility has been able to find a *critical flaw* in evolution, in spite of over a century of trying. Remember when Darwin wrote this book we didn't even know about chromosomes and DNA and these huge advances in science could have easily discredited Darwin's work and shown us a new way. All they have done is reinforced his ideas in GRANITE.

The beauty of science is that theories often have a short lifespan, someone comes along and proves something convincingly wrong and the theory falls apart. Maybe this will one day happen to evolution too, but we've been waiting almost 150 years.

You missed the point completely the enviroment that allows natural selection is statistically impossible. Increase or decrease the percentage (1.3 % high side) of carbon created by the big bang and environment prevents the evolution of anything greater that single celled organisms.


your doing the same thing Darwin did, ignoring the universe as a whole to validate your prefered theory.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by jojojo

its just as hard to believe that there was a big bang and this world/planet was spontaneously created and then we evolved into what we are and there is no higher power involved and life is completely useless... no purpose at all... we are just highly evolved mammals who eat sleep shit then die. no afterlife no nothing. consume fuck die thats it - its all coincidence.

as it is to believe that God created everything.

I went to this thing called Alpha and basically the authenticity of the bible etc has been validated in many ways etc...

I'm not saying that I believe 100% in either theory but I agree each theory is pretty hard to believe.

I also know that if you believe in god and there turns out there IS a god you are set You might as well believe in god since you have nothing to lose and everything to gain...

Afterlife is just man's vanity. That's all it is. And religion is just a phony bribe for that vanity.

Creationism and Intelligent Design are not properly theories. Theories are backed up by logic and facts. Creationism and Intelligent Design are faith and dogma based, not science/ fact/ logic based.

You have alot to lose. If you live your life for some phony hereafter that never happens --you will have wasted your life.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by devilspost

Majority of Americans Reject Theory of Evolution

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/ar...24100409990019

51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.

I'm delighted to report that I am in the elite 15 percent.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

By your restrictive definition, can ANYTHING be proven?

[Young]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

There are a lot of highly respected scientist and professional people believe that God created the universe (including Albert Einstein). This belief/theory is what Creationism ('inteligent design') truly is.

Creatonism and intelligent design claim to be two completely different things.

Intelligent design is a theory that showed up in the 80's based of Creationism.

Creationism has been here for thousands of years.

Look it up.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by graphical x

Critical thinking is the highest form of thinking. I like to question things before I 'believe' in it. Your ad hominem attacks seem to suggest your own feelings of mental inferiority.

nice...ad hominen is usually a favourable attack though...and can be properly used...however most times it is just lashing out when one is left with nothing else to say

[FunkMachine]

Originally Posted by graphical x

Or does it remain a theory? Why not LAW of evolution? Like the Law of Physics, etc?

The Theory of Evolution attempts to explain the Law of Evolution (or more accurately, the Fact of Evolution).

[EroticySteve]

Empirical data proves evolution in simple organisms.

Viruses are a perfect example of evolution. They have a need to survive and thrive and will mutate accordingly in order for this to happen.

[FunkMachine]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

There are a lot of highly respected scientist and professional people believe that God created the universe (including Albert Einstein). This belief/theory is what Creationism ('inteligent design') truly is.

Wrong.

Einstein was a Scientific Pantheist (same as me), which states that god (if you choose to call it that - I prefer "creative entity") is the sum total of all natural laws which allow creation to come into existence.

"God" is incapable of thought, design, conciousness, sending down books of stupid rules, sending down prophets, etc.

"God" is just the "Theory of Everything", the current physicists' holy grail.

Scientific Pantheism is not a religion by the way. It's just an acceptance of the obvious.

[FunkMachine]

Originally Posted by FunkMachine

The Theory of Evolution attempts to explain the Law of Evolution (or more accurately, the Fact of Evolution).

Just to add, in scientific terms a theory attempts to explain a fact. Sometimes the theory explains the fact exactly, sometimes it doesn't.

Evolution is a fact, regardless of individual opinion in favour or against, just as gravity is a fact regardless of who believes in it or not.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by FunkMachine

Just to add, in scientific terms a theory attempts to explain a fact. Sometimes the theory explains the fact exactly, sometimes it doesn't.

Evolution is a fact, regardless of individual opinion in favour or against, just as gravity is a fact regardless of who believes in it or not.

Absolutely NOT

In scientific terms a theory attempts to observed events by a proposed construct that has dependent conditional assumptions

A Scientific fact is a theory in which the assumed dependent conditions have been proven to be true.



Since you brought up gravity I will use that to explain this to you.

For hundreds of years scientist had the theory gravity was not a constant but dependent on the mass of the object dropped. This was because people were able to observe that when you dropped a cannon ball and a feather at the same time the cannon ball hit the ground first.

People who believed this theory assumed that air resistance was so negligible that it would not have any effect on gravity. They used observed events like the fact that you could move thru the air without feeling resistance. The problem was that assumption was wrong, and it wasn't until someone found a way to remove air resistance (by creating a vacuum) and having the feather hit the bottom at the same time as the heavy object that people came up with another theory that gravity was a constant force.

This unlike the original theory of gravity did not have an dependent assumptions and that is why it is a law of physics.


That is why evolution is a theory because NO ONE has proven the assumption to be true.

[sacX]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

You missed the point completely the enviroment that allows natural selection is statistically impossible. Increase or decrease the percentage (1.3 % high side) of carbon created by the big bang and environment prevents the evolution of anything greater that single celled organisms.

your doing the same thing Darwin did, ignoring the universe as a whole to validate your prefered theory.

Darwin wasn't trying to explain how the universe came into existence! He's starting from the position "the world does exist, what explains the huge diversity of wildlife"

There is no formula that will predict the exact amount of carbon required to produce single cell organims at the exclusion of multi-cellular organisms!
You do realise that prokaryotes and eukaryotes aren't all that different right?

"the enviroment that allows natural selection is statistically impossible."

What are you references for this statement? which peer reviewed journals published this? I'm pretty sure the environment I live in exists, so you must understand I'm quite sceptical that its existence is statistically impossible.

[graphical x]

Interesting things occur when we question assumptions ;)

[subVERSION]

Ok,

Seriously!? are we really even going to try to debate this subject when Creationism(ID)'s ONLY EVIDENCE is based upon a 2000+yr old book which was written, re-written, changed, and formatted 100's of times for that area & people's own structure of the belief system. Most importantly, this book has NO relation to most laws of life that we live by on a day-to-day basis.

Believe it, if it makes you happy and safe. I mean you should at least be a good person for yourself (and the people you love) and not for some tyrannical entity.

But how insulting is it to think you are putting this BS case up against scientific evidence in 1000's of areas with real substance that on it's own SAY EVERYTHING. Without the assumption or rendering of some asinine idea that would never fly in any other area of life.

I mean you don't even do that with any other information. So why would you go so backwards with somehting as this. Are you that insecure?