Do you think its good or bad strategy to pay ransoms on the hostages. - GoFuckYourself.com

KRL · 09-29-2004, 10:31 PM

The word is Italy paid $1 Million to get the two Italian girls released this week though they are officially denying it.

Alky · 09-29-2004, 10:34 PM

bad, just encouraging others to kidnap more.

reynold · 09-29-2004, 10:38 PM

if we do pay this hostagetakers a ransom . we just tolerate what they do. so its bad idea.

nofx · 09-29-2004, 10:40 PM

horrible idea.

Steen2 · 09-29-2004, 10:40 PM

Bad bad bad

No negotiations with terrorists.

Jakke PNG · 09-29-2004, 10:41 PM

Depends.
Bad idea when looking from outside, probably a good idea if you want your loved ones safe and have money.

BRISK · 09-29-2004, 10:43 PM

It just encourages more. It effectively turns kidnapping foreigners into a business. Also, all the guys that don't have the guts to cut someones head off will now realize that they don't have to do that anymore, they just have to threaten to do that and CHA-CHING!

<IMX> · 09-29-2004, 10:43 PM

bad idea but....

It is like any game theoritic model...

it will always break down b/c it is best for the individual to PAY to get their loved one back.

Steen2 · 09-29-2004, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
, probably a good idea if you want your loved ones safe and have money.

Oh of course, but someone's got to make the tough decision and make an executive choice.

Dead13 · 09-29-2004, 10:47 PM

Stupid, stupid, stupid... Very bad!

Not only did they negotiate with terrorist, gave them reason to continue, but also gave them more funding to continue with these and more operations.

And any day now, Bush will put them in the "Axis of Evil" and bomb the shit out of them anyway.

gwilkins · 09-29-2004, 10:58 PM

Even if they didn't pay the ransom this rumor would probably still be circulating.

SleazyDream · 09-29-2004, 11:00 PM

do you pay the ransom to the hostages or the hostage takers?

Liquid_cash · 09-29-2004, 11:05 PM

Fight fire with fire. When they execute 1 we should do 100 who we have imprisioned. Then they will stop.

Worked for Starlin.

Alky · 09-29-2004, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by Liquid_cash
Fight fire with fire. When they execute 1 we should do 100 who we have imprisioned. Then they will stop.

Worked for Starlin.

you watched swordfish one to many times

theking · 09-29-2004, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by Steen2
Bad bad bad

No negotiations with terrorists.

I will take it upon myself to add another "bad". It should never be done no matter if it were to be the President of the United States...being held hostage.

Dead13 · 09-29-2004, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by Liquid_cash
Fight fire with fire. When they execute 1 we should do 100 who we have imprisioned. Then they will stop.

Worked for Starlin.

No they won't. Incase you missed it, they believe being Martyred is the greatest thing that can happen to them.

Start killing them by the hundreds and they will party like its 1999.

vixm · 09-29-2004, 11:11 PM

Zero Tolerance for Fuc*in* terrorist

Terrorists

Glad the italian chicks got out but ........

Should not give in to any terrorist demands

Theo · 09-29-2004, 11:13 PM

US govt had been funding for decades the today's terrorist organizations, dictators and so on. 1mil more won't make much difference. If you or some of your family members ever being kidnapped we'll make sure to not endorse :-)

Strife · 09-29-2004, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Alky
bad, just encouraging others to kidnap more.

Theo · 09-29-2004, 11:18 PM

What's pathetic is the way Tony Blair was talking about the hostages, he was SMILING and saying we should not endorse blah blah.

erehwon · 09-29-2004, 11:22 PM

Just keep this in mind, all the parties kidnapped in Iraq either had no security guards, or at best had Iraqi's watching them, that is akin to letting the coyote guard the chicken coop.

These people are soft targets for the groups that want center-stage in the world media, paying them off only perpetuates the problem.

robfantasy · 09-29-2004, 11:54 PM

i hope none of you ever get kidnapped

FlyingIguana · 09-29-2004, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Dead13
No they won't. Incase you missed it, they believe being Martyred is the greatest thing that can happen to them.

Start killing them by the hundreds and they will party like its 1999.

well then cover the bullets in pigs blood like that general did and throw the bodies in a pool of pig blood, then let one of them go to tell the rest what happened.

corvette · 09-30-2004, 12:09 AM

its a prudent and reasonable policy until you get a hostage that somebody cares about and does not want to lose

what would bush or blair do if one of his daughters got kidnapped?

very difficult situation

Arousal Design · 09-30-2004, 12:13 AM

such a moral conundrum is not easily answered, depends on your values.

do we value people's lives, or money. what's worse, encouraging kidnappers or discouraging living humans.

who knows. that's why i do adult design. =)

wdsguy · 09-30-2004, 12:15 AM

its a bad strategy.

u are providing them with an incentive to kidnap more people.

Webmaster_Logic · 09-30-2004, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by Alky
bad, just encouraging others to kidnap more.

Easy to say when it not your family members being held hostage...

baddog · 09-30-2004, 12:18 AM

stupid idea . . . look for lots of Italians to start getting kidnapped

Theo · 09-30-2004, 12:21 AM

actually it's a cheap deal for Italy

italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out
americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor
italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out
americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor
italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out
americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor
italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out
americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor

end of the year

30mil cost for italy 0 dead
0 cost for states, 60 dead

Centurion · 09-30-2004, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
stupid idea . . . look for lots of Italians to start getting kidnapped

What if the American ambassador or a top ranking officer of our military got kidnapped?

We would say "NO ransom", but I wouldn't bet against "secret channels" that get the money to them. At some point, you actually do have to say "We can't let them execute that person"!

or do we ever get to that point?

tical · 09-30-2004, 01:14 AM

Some sort of tracking device should be implanted into everyone they send there. Why not? If I was in a zone like that I would opt for it, then just have them remove it when I'm back home.

I'm sure they could make something small enough and hidden.

baddog · 09-30-2004, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion
What if the American ambassador or a top ranking officer of our military got kidnapped?

We would say "NO ransom", but I wouldn't bet against "secret channels" that get the money to them. At some point, you actually do have to say "We can't let them execute that person"!

or do we ever get to that point?

you start paying ransoms, you had better expect to start getting more and more kidnappings

Centurion · 09-30-2004, 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
you start paying ransoms, you had better expect to start getting more and more kidnappings

But that's like arguing NOT paying ransoms STOP the kidnappings and it hasn't.

All I'm saying is that I think the "important" people would get ransomed in some manner.

Dead13 · 09-30-2004, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by tical
Some sort of tracking device should be implanted into everyone they send there. Why not? If I was in a zone like that I would opt for it, then just have them remove it when I'm back home.

I'm sure they could make something small enough and hidden.

Dude, that is actually a damn good idea.

Or at least set a trap, get some CIA agents to pose as contractors equip them with some GPS and you have Zawaqualiiqwai (however the fuck you spell it, but you know who I am talking about).

Whats the worse that can happen, a few CIA agents wind up dead? Were better off either way.

Bigjohn · 09-30-2004, 01:19 AM

Horrible idea to pay ransoms.... although, to be honest, I'm not sure if I'd give the same anwser with conviction if the hostage was a close family member.

BRISK · 09-30-2004, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by tical
Some sort of tracking device should be implanted into everyone they send there. Why not? If I was in a zone like that I would opt for it, then just have them remove it when I'm back home.

I'm sure they could make something small enough and hidden.

The kidnappers would find some way to detect it, then they would cut it out with a knife.

Theo · 09-30-2004, 01:23 AM

the implanted device is good idea. Getting volunteers to be kidnapped won't be easy; at least not so easy like in movies.

tical · 09-30-2004, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
The kidnappers would find some way to detect it, then they would cut it out with a knife.

Maybe they could get a hold of a handheld metal detector, but something small enough and deep enough (maybe coated with something) should be no problem.

They could hide them in teeth (where people have fillings, etc)...

Just an option, it's definitely better than nothing, especially for quick response teams. I doubt all "would be" kidnappers would have metal detectors readily available, there would be some inteveral between the actual kidnapping and when they get the victim to "safety" and can fully search them.

I guarantee we could nab a few of the higher ups before any of them knew what was going on.

tical · 09-30-2004, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
the implanted device is good idea. Getting volunteers to be kidnapped won't be easy; at least not so easy like in movies.

I wouldn't try to find a volunteer, just give something to everyone incase

Victor-E · 09-30-2004, 02:07 AM

Before doing anything else, I would at least try to talk to the hostage takers. Maybe there is an alternative. Maybe they have a legitimate cause. Maybe someone had invaded their country unjustly and they just want the invaders out?

Letting innocent people die is not that different from killing them yourself, specially when there is an alternative. Bush told us he would go to war only as the last resort. Now everyone knows that was a lie. I would trade him for the hostages. That will solve EVERYONE's problems.

$5 submissions · 09-30-2004, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
The word is Italy paid $1 Million to get the two Italian girls released this week though they are officially denying it.

Is there a link re evidentiary support for the notion of a payoff?

ParasiteTV · 09-30-2004, 02:25 AM

good or bad strategy?!!!

wtf:

if yo ass be held hostage: im sure the "PAY MOTHERFUCKER" strat. would be awsome, to say the least.

foo.

pussyluver · 09-30-2004, 03:23 AM

Oh geeze, Lets give them some spending cash to buy some technology to do more crap with. I like the trap/GPS tracking idea. Offer it has an option to people we have on death row. If they make it out a live, they get to live longer.

When we catch the the hostage takers, give them a fair trial and then hang the MOFOs and put it on the web. Oh, we don't act that way. We have a secret trial and two years in secret captivity. While in secret captivity we dress in them in panties and make them do kinky shit.

09-29-2004, 10:31 PM	#1
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09-29-2004, 10:40 PM	#4
nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	horrible idea. __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

09-29-2004, 10:40 PM	#5
Steen2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 7,662	Bad bad bad No negotiations with terrorists. __________________ ICQ: 2262.73945

09-29-2004, 10:41 PM	#6
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Depends. Bad idea when looking from outside, probably a good idea if you want your loved ones safe and have money. __________________ ..and I'm off.

09-29-2004, 10:43 PM	#7
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	It just encourages more. It effectively turns kidnapping foreigners into a business. Also, all the guys that don't have the guts to cut someones head off will now realize that they don't have to do that anymore, they just have to threaten to do that and CHA-CHING! __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

09-29-2004, 10:34 PM	#2
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	bad, just encouraging others to kidnap more.

09-29-2004, 10:38 PM	#3
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	if we do pay this hostagetakers a ransom . we just tolerate what they do. so its bad idea.

09-29-2004, 10:43 PM	#8
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	bad idea but.... It is like any game theoritic model... it will always break down b/c it is best for the individual to PAY to get their loved one back. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

09-29-2004, 10:47 PM	#10
Dead13 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 477	Stupid, stupid, stupid... Very bad! Not only did they negotiate with terrorist, gave them reason to continue, but also gave them more funding to continue with these and more operations. And any day now, Bush will put them in the "Axis of Evil" and bomb the shit out of them anyway.

09-29-2004, 10:58 PM	#11
gwilkins Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 744	Even if they didn't pay the ransom this rumor would probably still be circulating.

09-29-2004, 11:00 PM	#12
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	do you pay the ransom to the hostages or the hostage takers? __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-29-2004, 11:05 PM	#13
Liquid_cash So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 165	Fight fire with fire. When they execute 1 we should do 100 who we have imprisioned. Then they will stop. Worked for Starlin.

09-29-2004, 11:11 PM	#17
vixm Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 605	Zero Tolerance for Fucin terrorist Terrorists Glad the italian chicks got out but ........ Should not give in to any terrorist demands

09-29-2004, 11:13 PM	#18
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	US govt had been funding for decades the today's terrorist organizations, dictators and so on. 1mil more won't make much difference. If you or some of your family members ever being kidnapped we'll make sure to not endorse :-) Last edited by Theo; 09-29-2004 at 11:14 PM..

09-29-2004, 11:18 PM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	What's pathetic is the way Tony Blair was talking about the hostages, he was SMILING and saying we should not endorse blah blah.

09-29-2004, 11:22 PM	#21
erehwon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A secure undisclosed location... Posts: 3,759	Just keep this in mind, all the parties kidnapped in Iraq either had no security guards, or at best had Iraqi's watching them, that is akin to letting the coyote guard the chicken coop. These people are soft targets for the groups that want center-stage in the world media, paying them off only perpetuates the problem. __________________ Money NEVER $leep$...

09-29-2004, 11:54 PM	#22
robfantasy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Medellin, Colombia Posts: 6,445	i hope none of you ever get kidnapped __________________ Looking to speak w/ high volume nutra CPA affiliates or networks... msg me

09-30-2004, 12:09 AM	#24
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	its a prudent and reasonable policy until you get a hostage that somebody cares about and does not want to lose what would bush or blair do if one of his daughters got kidnapped? very difficult situation __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

09-30-2004, 12:13 AM	#25
Arousal Design Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Connecticut. Posts: 1,358	such a moral conundrum is not easily answered, depends on your values. do we value people's lives, or money. what's worse, encouraging kidnappers or discouraging living humans. who knows. that's why i do adult design. =) __________________ Make Major Bank With Major Personality - NaughtyBank! Featuring NaughtyAllie and NaughtyJulie!

09-30-2004, 12:15 AM	#26
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	its a bad strategy. u are providing them with an incentive to kidnap more people.

09-30-2004, 12:18 AM	#28
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	stupid idea . . . look for lots of Italians to start getting kidnapped

09-30-2004, 12:21 AM	#29
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	actually it's a cheap deal for Italy italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor italians getting kidnapped $1mil and they are out out americans getting kidnapped, no money, hlap heads on the floor end of the year 30mil cost for italy 0 dead 0 cost for states, 60 dead

09-30-2004, 01:14 AM	#31
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	Some sort of tracking device should be implanted into everyone they send there. Why not? If I was in a zone like that I would opt for it, then just have them remove it when I'm back home. I'm sure they could make something small enough and hidden. __________________ 112.020.756

09-30-2004, 01:19 AM	#35
Bigjohn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Deep inside my mind Posts: 1,118	Horrible idea to pay ransoms.... although, to be honest, I'm not sure if I'd give the same anwser with conviction if the hostage was a close family member.

09-30-2004, 01:23 AM	#37
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	the implanted device is good idea. Getting volunteers to be kidnapped won't be easy; at least not so easy like in movies.

09-30-2004, 02:07 AM	#40
Victor-E Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: SFV Posts: 573	Before doing anything else, I would at least try to talk to the hostage takers. Maybe there is an alternative. Maybe they have a legitimate cause. Maybe someone had invaded their country unjustly and they just want the invaders out? Letting innocent people die is not that different from killing them yourself, specially when there is an alternative. Bush told us he would go to war only as the last resort. Now everyone knows that was a lie. I would trade him for the hostages. That will solve EVERYONE's problems. __________________ www.velvetecstasy.com

09-30-2004, 02:25 AM	#42
ParasiteTV Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,067	good or bad strategy?!!! wtf: if yo ass be held hostage: im sure the "PAY MOTHERFUCKER" strat. would be awsome, to say the least. foo. __________________

09-30-2004, 03:23 AM	#43
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Oh geeze, Lets give them some spending cash to buy some technology to do more crap with. I like the trap/GPS tracking idea. Offer it has an option to people we have on death row. If they make it out a live, they get to live longer. When we catch the the hostage takers, give them a fair trial and then hang the MOFOs and put it on the web. Oh, we don't act that way. We have a secret trial and two years in secret captivity. While in secret captivity we dress in them in panties and make them do kinky shit.