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EviLSuperstaR 09-27-2004 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Yeah it was only found on news.google.com :1orglaugh
Google news does blogs now, sure....

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by smack
Great quote, by the way he was Republican. :2 cents:

germ 09-27-2004 01:59 PM

sorry, but "flip-flopping" is what INTELLIGENT people do.

going into the whole patriot act thing, he probably thought it was a good idea...hell, everyone did.

after he realized it was not a good idea, he changed his mind.

i dunno about you, but that seems like an ability that a president would need to have. the ability to assess something and form a decision on it, based on the current facts. bush seems to just make a decision and stand by it no matter the outcome.

sure, it makes him SEEM like a strong leader. in reality, it only proves to me how weak he really is.

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by germ
sorry, but "flip-flopping" is what INTELLIGENT people do.

Subject closed. :1orglaugh

Furious_Male 09-27-2004 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
and your solution is Kerry?

If so, read this:


"Kerry's flip- flops on our war to defend our survival of freedom is dangerous and deadly. One moment Kerry is looking to support our war on terror and in the next blink Kerry wants to pull out our troops, leaving a catastrophic vacuum of death and chaos. Kerry and his leftover 1960's ideologists will continue to relive Vietnam and try to paint a picture that this is where we are today."


http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/...t-732322.shtml

Kerry Marsala is so fucking biased. Its not unlike her to come up with something like that. Dangerous and Deadly.

smack 09-27-2004 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Your opinion has been digested, but I disagree because a leader that "flip flops" as you put it, derails from it's hand at task, therefore; no progress is accomplished. It also shows weakness as a leader should always know what he/she should do.

I've always been taught if you don't stick with something you will never accomplish anything. :2 cents:

Good debate guys.

so you would rather have a man triumphantly adhere to an incontovertible wrong, than to use his reason to discover a new and more sensible course of action?

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Your opinion has been digested, but I disagree because a leader that "flip flops" as you put it, derails from it's hand at task, therefore; no progress is accomplished. It also shows weakness as a leader should always know what he/she should do.

I've always been taught if you don't stick with something you will never accomplish anything. :2 cents:

Good debate guys.

You keep repeating 'flip flop' like you're some kind of Limbaugh monkey. Once again Bush's flip flops:

# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by smack
so you would rather have a man triumphantly adhere to an incontovertible wrong, than to use his reason to discover a new and more sensible course of action?
Of course not, I just like supporting my President and country, but I will say this, we will see how the debate between John Kerry and GWB goes this week.

I'll be honest if Kerry looks like a better leader I will vote for him, I just consider myself a Republican.

smack 09-27-2004 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Great quote, by the way he was Republican. :2 cents:
He was a republican only by the modern definition of the term. however he was a champion for the rights and civil liberties of the people.


here's another one of his quotes i strongly believe in.

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"It is of truely little consequence who governs us, as long as they sincerely and zealously cherish the ideals of unionism and republic."

smack 09-27-2004 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Of course not, I just like supporting my President and country, but I will say this, we will see how the debate between John Kerry and GWB goes this week.

I'll be honest if Kerry looks like a better leader I will vote for him, I just consider myself a Republican.

i'm a fucking dork. i'm actually really excited to see these debates. :helpme

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising


I'll be honest if Kerry looks like a better leader I will vote for him, I just consider myself a Republican.

You may flip flop? :1orglaugh

Furious_Male 09-27-2004 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising


I've always been taught if you don't stick with something you will never accomplish anything. :2 cents:

Good debate guys.

I think many of us think this way. But sticking with something doesn't mean you can't make changes.

A simple example. Lets say you agreed with a business plan for a credit card processor and went with them 100%. Swore they were the best credit card processor out there and used them on all your sites.

If later down the road they started scrubbing to hard, had continous down time, paid late etc. costing you money. They have no plans to fix the problems but instead are going to open another company built around the existing one (bound to have the same problems if not worst) wouldn't you make a change? What would sticking with them accomplish?

Kerry may have thought the Patriot Act was good at the time. Our entire nation was stunned by the events of 911. No one took the time to really think things out. We were more concerned with another attack. Now he is realizing that the Patriot act is flawed and wants to do something about it.

Rich 09-27-2004 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Great quote, by the way he was Republican. :2 cents:
:1orglaugh

How can people not even understand their own country?

TheLegacy 09-27-2004 02:10 PM

what no boobmaster speaking out?? LOL

bump since I need a good smile today and his love for Bush always makes me laugh

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
You keep repeating 'flip flop' like you're some kind of Limbaugh monkey. Once again Bush's flip flops:

# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
.......

Monkey? We were having an intelligent conversation until you decided to paste a bunch of shit you found on google, on that note, here is my reply:

John Kerry's Flip Flops

Flip Flopped On Trade With China

In 1991, Kerry Supported Most-Favored Trade Status For China. ?Sen. John Kerry said yesterday that he is breaking party ranks to support most-favored-nation trade status for China ? ?I think the president has some strong arguments about some of the assets of most-favored-nation status for China,? Kerry said.? (John Aloysius Farrell, ?Kerry Breaks Party Ranks To Back China Trade Status,? The Boston Globe, 6/15/91)

In 2000, Kerry Voted In Favor Of Permanent Normal Trade Relations With China. (H.R. 4444, CQ Vote #251: Passed 83-15: R 46-8; D 37-7, 9/19/00, Kerry Voted Yea)

Now Kerry Criticizes The Bush Administration For Trading With China. ?Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said on Monday Americans workers were paying the price for President Bush's weak stance on trade with China and other countries. ? On the bus tour, Kerry singled out the Bush administration's handling of trade with China and said that country was manipulating its currency.? (Caren Bohan, "Kerry Pledges Aggressive Trade Stance," Reuters, 4/26/04)

Flip-Flopped On Iraq War

Kerry Voted For Authorization To Use Force In Iraq. (H.J. Res. 114, CQ Vote #237: Passed 77-23: R 48-1; D 29-21; I 0-1, 10/11/02, Kerry Voted Yea.)

In First Dem Debate, Kerry Strongly Supported President?s Action In Iraq. KERRY: ?George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him.? (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/4/03)

Kerry Later Claimed He Voted ?To Threaten? Use Of Force In Iraq. ?I voted to threaten the use of force to make Saddam Hussein comply with the resolutions of the United Nations.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Announcement Of Presidential Candidacy, Mount Pleasant, SC, 9/2/03)

Now, Kerry Says He Is Anti-War Candidate. CHRIS MATTHEWS: ?Do you think you belong to that category of candidates who more or less are unhappy with this war, the way it?s been fought, along with General Clark, along with Howard Dean and not necessarily in companionship politically on the issue of the war with people like Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt? Are you one of the anti-war candidates?? KERRY: ?I am -- Yes, in the sense that I don?t believe the president took us to war as he should have, yes, absolutely.? (MSNBC?s ?Hardball,? 1/6/04)

Flip-Flopped On Eliminating Marriage Penalty For Middle Class

Kerry Said He Will Fight To Keep Tax Relief For Married Couples. ?Howard Dean and Gephardt are going to put the marriage penalty back in place. So if you get married in America, we?re going to charge you more taxes. I do not want to do that.? (Fox News? ?Special Report,? 10/23/03)

Said Democrats Fought To End Marriage Penalty Tax. ?We fought hard to get rid of the marriage penalty.? (MSNBC?s ?News Live,? 7/31/03)

But, In 1998, Kerry Voted Against Eliminating Marriage Penalty Relief For Married Taxpayers With Combined Incomes Less Than $50,000 Per Year, Saving Taxpayers $46 Billion Over 10 Years. (S. 1415, CQ Vote #154: Rejected 48-50: R 5-49; D 43-1, 6/10/98, Kerry Voted Yea)

Flip-Flopped On Patriot Act

Kerry Voted For Patriot Act. The Patriot Act was passed nearly unanimously by the Senate 98-1, and 357-66 in the House. (H.R. 3162, CQ Vote #313: Passed 98-1: R 49-0; D 48-1; I 1-0, 10/25/01, Kerry Voted Yea)

Kerry Used To Defend His Vote. ?Most of [The Patriot Act] has to do with improving the transfer of information between CIA and FBI, and it has to do with things that really were quite necessary in the wake of what happened on September 11th.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Town Hall Meeting, Manchester, NH, 8/6/03)

Now, Kerry Attacks Patriot Act. ?We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashhahahahaha. That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. I?ve been a District Attorney and I know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on American?s basic rights.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Iowa State University, 12/1/03)

Kerry Took BOTH Sides On First Gulf War

Kerry Took BOTH Sides In First Gulf War In Separate Letters To Same Constituent. ?Rather than take a side--albeit the one he thought was most expedient--Kerry actually stood on both sides of the first Gulf war, much like he did this time around. Consider this ?Notebook? item from TNR?s March 25, 1991 issue, which ran under the headline ?Same Senator, Same Constituent?: ?Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war.? --letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991] ?Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush?s response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf.? --Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]? (Noam Scheiber, ?Noam Scheiber?s Daily Journal of Politics, The New Republic Online, 1/28/04)

Flip-Flopped On Gay Marriage Amendment

In 2002, Kerry Signed Letter ?Urging? MA Legislature To Reject Constitutional Amendment Banning Gay Marriage. ?We rarely comment on issues that are wholly within the jurisdiction of the General Court, but there are occasions when matters pending before you are of such significance to all residents of the Commonwealth that we think it appropriate for us to express our opinion. One such matter is the proposed Constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships. We believe it would be a grave error for Massachusetts to enshrine in our Constitution a provision which would have such a negative effect on so many of our fellow residents. ? We are therefore united in urging you to reject this Constitutional amendment and avoid stigmatizing so many of our fellow citizens who do not deserve to be treated in such a manner.? (Sen. John Kerry, et al, Letter To Members Of The Massachusetts Legislature, 7/12/02)

Now, In 2004, Kerry Won?t Rule Out Supporting Similar Amendment. ?Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn?t rule out the possibility. ?I?ll have to see what language there is,? he said.? (Susan Milligan, ?Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On ?Wedge Issue,?? The Boston Globe, 2/6/04)

Flip-Flopped On Attacking President During Time Of War

In March 2003, Kerry Promised Not To Attack President When War Began. ?Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts ? said he will cease his complaints once the shooting starts. ?It?s what you owe the troops,? said a statement from Kerry, a Navy veteran of the Vietnam War. ?I remember being one of those guys and reading news reports from home. If America is at war, I won?t speak a word without measuring how it?ll sound to the guys doing the fighting when they?re listening to their radios in the desert.?? (Glen Johnson, ?Democrats On The Stump Plot Their War Rhetoric,? The Boston Globe, 3/11/03)

But Weeks Later, With Troops Just Miles From Baghdad, Kerry Broke His Pledge. ??What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,? Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library. Despite pledging two weeks ago to cool his criticism of the administration once war began, Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as US troops fought within 25 miles of Baghdad.? (Glen Johnson, ?Kerry Says Us Needs Its Own ?Regime Change,?? The Boston Globe, 4/3/03)

Flip-Flopped On Death Penalty For Terrorists

In 1996, Kerry Attacked Governor Bill Weld For Supporting Death Penalty For Terrorists. KERRY: ?Your policy would amount to a terrorist protection policy. Mine would put them in jail.? (1996 Massachusetts Senate Debate, 9/16/96)

In 1996, Kerry Said, ?You Can Change Your Mind On Things, But Not On Life-And-Death Issues.? (Timothy J. Connolly, ?The ?Snoozer? Had Some Life,? [Worcester, MA] Telegram & Gazette, 7/3/96)

But, In 2002, Kerry Said He Supported Death Penalty For Terrorists. KERRY: ?The law of the land is the law of the land, but I have also said that I am for the death penalty for terrorists because terrorists have declared war on your country.? (NBC?s ?Meet The Press,? 12/1/02)

Flip-Flopped On No Child Left Behind

Kerry Voted For No Child Left Behind Act. (H.R. 1, CQ Vote #371: Adopted 87-10: R 44-3; D 43-6; I 0-1, 12/18/01, Kerry Voted Yea)

But Now Kerry Is Attacking No Child Left Behind As ?Mockery.? ?Between now and the time I?m sworn in January 2005, I?m going to use every day to make this president accountable for making a mockery of the words ?No Child Left Behind.??.... blah


Enjoy! http://www.georgewbush.com/kerrymedi...d.aspx?ID=2439

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Male
I think many of us think this way. But sticking with something doesn't mean you can't make changes.

A simple example. Lets say you agreed with a business plan for a credit card processor and went with them 100%. Swore they were the best credit card processor out there and used them on all your sites.

If later down the road they started scrubbing to hard, had continous down time, paid late etc. costing you money. They have no plans to fix the problems but instead are going to open another company built around the existing one (bound to have the same problems if not worst) wouldn't you make a change? What would sticking with them accomplish?

Kerry may have thought the Patriot Act was good at the time. Our entire nation was stunned by the events of 911. No one took the time to really think things out. We were more concerned with another attack. Now he is realizing that the Patriot act is flawed and wants to do something about it.

Good points. :thumbsup

Let us see how this debate goes Thursday, may the best man win.

germ 09-27-2004 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by smack
i'm a fucking dork. i'm actually really excited to see these debates. :helpme

im a dork too. i havent seen a presidential debate since i was a little kid.

plus, the chance to see GWB actually talk about the issues without a prewritten statement by his advisors....pass the popcorn!

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Monkey? We were having an intelligent conversation until you decided to paste a bunch of shit you found on google, on that note, here is my reply:

John Kerry's Flip Flops

Flip Flopped On Trade With China

In 1991, Kerry Supported Most-Favored Trade Status For China. ?Sen. John Kerry said yesterday that he is breaking party ranks to support most-favored-nation trade status for China ? ?I think the president has some strong arguments about some of the assets of most-favored-nation status for China,? Kerry said.? (John Aloysius Farrell, ?Kerry Breaks Party Ranks To Back China Trade Status,? The Boston Globe, 6/15/91)

In 2000, Kerry Voted In Favor Of Permanent Normal Trade Relations With China. (H.R. 4444, CQ Vote #251: Passed 83-15: R 46-8; D 37-7, 9/19/00, Kerry Voted Yea)

Now Kerry Criticizes The Bush Administration For Trading With China. ?Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said on Monday Americans workers were paying the price for President Bush's weak stance on trade with China and other countries. ? On the bus tour, Kerry singled out the Bush administration's handling of trade with China and said that country was manipulating its currency.? (Caren Bohan, "Kerry Pledges Aggressive Trade Stance," Reuters, 4/26/04)

Flip-Flopped On Iraq War

Kerry Voted For Authorization To Use Force In Iraq. (H.J. Res. 114, CQ Vote #237: Passed 77-23: R 48-1; D 29-21; I 0-1, 10/11/02, Kerry Voted Yea.)

In First Dem Debate, Kerry Strongly Supported President?s Action In Iraq. KERRY: ?George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him.? (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/4/03)

Kerry Later Claimed He Voted ?To Threaten? Use Of Force In Iraq. ?I voted to threaten the use of force to make Saddam Hussein comply with the resolutions of the United Nations.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Announcement Of Presidential Candidacy, Mount Pleasant, SC, 9/2/03)

Now, Kerry Says He Is Anti-War Candidate. CHRIS MATTHEWS: ?Do you think you belong to that category of candidates who more or less are unhappy with this war, the way it?s been fought, along with General Clark, along with Howard Dean and not necessarily in companionship politically on the issue of the war with people like Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt? Are you one of the anti-war candidates?? KERRY: ?I am -- Yes, in the sense that I don?t believe the president took us to war as he should have, yes, absolutely.? (MSNBC?s ?Hardball,? 1/6/04)

Flip-Flopped On Eliminating Marriage Penalty For Middle Class

Kerry Said He Will Fight To Keep Tax Relief For Married Couples. ?Howard Dean and Gephardt are going to put the marriage penalty back in place. So if you get married in America, we?re going to charge you more taxes. I do not want to do that.? (Fox News? ?Special Report,? 10/23/03)

Said Democrats Fought To End Marriage Penalty Tax. ?We fought hard to get rid of the marriage penalty.? (MSNBC?s ?News Live,? 7/31/03)

But, In 1998, Kerry Voted Against Eliminating Marriage Penalty Relief For Married Taxpayers With Combined Incomes Less Than $50,000 Per Year, Saving Taxpayers $46 Billion Over 10 Years. (S. 1415, CQ Vote #154: Rejected 48-50: R 5-49; D 43-1, 6/10/98, Kerry Voted Yea)

Flip-Flopped On Patriot Act

Kerry Voted For Patriot Act. The Patriot Act was passed nearly unanimously by the Senate 98-1, and 357-66 in the House. (H.R. 3162, CQ Vote #313: Passed 98-1: R 49-0; D 48-1; I 1-0, 10/25/01, Kerry Voted Yea)

Kerry Used To Defend His Vote. ?Most of [The Patriot Act] has to do with improving the transfer of information between CIA and FBI, and it has to do with things that really were quite necessary in the wake of what happened on September 11th.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Town Hall Meeting, Manchester, NH, 8/6/03)

Now, Kerry Attacks Patriot Act. ?We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashhahahahaha. That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. I?ve been a District Attorney and I know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on American?s basic rights.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Iowa State University, 12/1/03)

Kerry Took BOTH Sides On First Gulf War

Kerry Took BOTH Sides In First Gulf War In Separate Letters To Same Constituent. ?Rather than take a side--albeit the one he thought was most expedient--Kerry actually stood on both sides of the first Gulf war, much like he did this time around. Consider this ?Notebook? item from TNR?s March 25, 1991 issue, which ran under the headline ?Same Senator, Same Constituent?: ?Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war.? --letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991] ?Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush?s response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf.? --Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]? (Noam Scheiber, ?Noam Scheiber?s Daily Journal of Politics, The New Republic Online, 1/28/04)

Flip-Flopped On Gay Marriage Amendment

In 2002, Kerry Signed Letter ?Urging? MA Legislature To Reject Constitutional Amendment Banning Gay Marriage. ?We rarely comment on issues that are wholly within the jurisdiction of the General Court, but there are occasions when matters pending before you are of such significance to all residents of the Commonwealth that we think it appropriate for us to express our opinion. One such matter is the proposed Constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships. We believe it would be a grave error for Massachusetts to enshrine in our Constitution a provision which would have such a negative effect on so many of our fellow residents. ? We are therefore united in urging you to reject this Constitutional amendment and avoid stigmatizing so many of our fellow citizens who do not deserve to be treated in such a manner.? (Sen. John Kerry, et al, Letter To Members Of The Massachusetts Legislature, 7/12/02)

Now, In 2004, Kerry Won?t Rule Out Supporting Similar Amendment. ?Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn?t rule out the possibility. ?I?ll have to see what language there is,? he said.? (Susan Milligan, ?Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On ?Wedge Issue,?? The Boston Globe, 2/6/04)

Flip-Flopped On Attacking President During Time Of War

In March 2003, Kerry Promised Not To Attack President When War Began. ?Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts ? said he will cease his complaints once the shooting starts. ?It?s what you owe the troops,? said a statement from Kerry, a Navy veteran of the Vietnam War. ?I remember being one of those guys and reading news reports from home. If America is at war, I won?t speak a word without measuring how it?ll sound to the guys doing the fighting when they?re listening to their radios in the desert.?? (Glen Johnson, ?Democrats On The Stump Plot Their War Rhetoric,? The Boston Globe, 3/11/03)

But Weeks Later, With Troops Just Miles From Baghdad, Kerry Broke His Pledge. ??What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,? Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library. Despite pledging two weeks ago to cool his criticism of the administration once war began, Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as US troops fought within 25 miles of Baghdad.? (Glen Johnson, ?Kerry Says Us Needs Its Own ?Regime Change,?? The Boston Globe, 4/3/03)

Flip-Flopped On Death Penalty For Terrorists

In 1996, Kerry Attacked Governor Bill Weld For Supporting Death Penalty For Terrorists. KERRY: ?Your policy would amount to a terrorist protection policy. Mine would put them in jail.? (1996 Massachusetts Senate Debate, 9/16/96)

In 1996, Kerry Said, ?You Can Change Your Mind On Things, But Not On Life-And-Death Issues.? (Timothy J. Connolly, ?The ?Snoozer? Had Some Life,? [Worcester, MA] Telegram & Gazette, 7/3/96)

But, In 2002, Kerry Said He Supported Death Penalty For Terrorists. KERRY: ?The law of the land is the law of the land, but I have also said that I am for the death penalty for terrorists because terrorists have declared war on your country.? (NBC?s ?Meet The Press,? 12/1/02)

Flip-Flopped On No Child Left Behind

Kerry Voted For No Child Left Behind Act. (H.R. 1, CQ Vote #371: Adopted 87-10: R 44-3; D 43-6; I 0-1, 12/18/01, Kerry Voted Yea)

But Now Kerry Is Attacking No Child Left Behind As ?Mockery.? ?Between now and the time I?m sworn in January 2005, I?m going to use every day to make this president accountable for making a mockery of the words ?No Child Left Behind.??.... blah


Enjoy! http://www.georgewbush.com/kerrymedi...d.aspx?ID=2439

Yea, that shit is believable coming from georgewbush.com :1orglaugh

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
If Bush is in charge you can expect further deterioration of the constitution possibly up to the point of a modern day Nazi regime.

Yeah, see I may flip-flop like you said, but at least I'm not an extremist left wing that thinks the USA can become a modern day Nazi regime.


and we were just talking about how "flip-floping" was healthy.

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by germ
im a dork too. i havent seen a presidential debate since i was a little kid.

plus, the chance to see GWB actually talk about the issues without a prewritten statement by his advisors....pass the popcorn!

That may not be the way it is. There are normally 3 debates, 2 of them being the type that the candidates already know whats going to be asked. The 3rd being an open question forum. Bush has not agreed to the 3rd debate.

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Yea, that shit is believable coming from georgewbush.com :1orglaugh
and what's not believable again?

germ 09-27-2004 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
That may not be the way it is. There are normally 3 debates, 2 of them being the type that the candidates already know whats going to be asked. The 3rd being an open question forum. Bush has not agreed to the 3rd debate.

well fuck. looks like more of the same old shit then. i swear, i hate politics sometimes.

republicans and democrats are the same way. they're more focused on their image and poll numbers than actually doing some good for this country.


:bowdown NADER '04!

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Yeah, see I may flip-flop like you said, but at least I'm not an extremist left wing that thinks the USA can become a modern day Nazy regime.
Fuck man, you can't even spell Nazi (and that obviously wasnt a mistype) so how in the hell would you even know what the Nazi's were about?

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
and we were just talking about how "flip-floping" was healthy.

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and your solution is Kerry?

If so, read this:


"Kerry's flip- flops on our war to defend our survival of freedom is dangerous and deadly. One moment Kerry is looking to support our war on terror and in the next blink Kerry wants to pull out our troops, leaving a catastrophic vacuum of death and chaos. Kerry and his leftover 1960's ideologists will continue to relive Vietnam and try to paint a picture that this is where we are today."

Dude, just shut the fuck up.

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:28 PM

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AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:30 PM

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Fuck man, you can't even spell Nazi (and that obviously wasnt a mistype) so how in the hell would you even know what the Nazi's were about?




Dude, just shut the fuck up.


haha that's how I know you are getting pissed, you have to resort to spell check like a bitch.

a new low for you, why don't you shut the fuck up if you can't debate civil don't debate at all. :1orglaugh

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:34 PM

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SleazeQueen 09-27-2004 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by germ
going into the whole patriot act thing, he probably thought it was a good idea...hell, everyone did.
Not everyone. There were some people who didn't vote for it and there were people like myself who were against it from the beginning. What I did say, and voiced to all my government representatives, is that if they were going to implement a "Patriot Act" that it have a definite, short term end date. Say 2 years from 9/11 so that it couldn't be abused.

As we're seeing now, it is being abused. Every week or so there's a news story circulating around about someone arrested for drugs, porn, being "anti-government" (read: critical of the president), etc. because of an element of the Patriot Act. Don't you think that will increase exponentially if Bush gets reelected?

They have nothing to lose politically. They can literally do anything if they keep all the branches of the government. Literally. Bush can't be reelected for a 3rd term and Cheney doesn't want to be President. Even the republicans can recover from his lunacy if they just say "Yeah, we don't know what the deal was with THAT guy.. vote for our Reagan-bot for President 2008!" They WILL crack down on porn. They WILL crack down on the internet in general. They WILL invade another country (I predict Iran or Syria, when Sudan is who needs us.) based on sketchy info. I can feel it in my bones.

Tinfoil hat time? Maybe. But I don't think so. Frankly, I'm more scared for our future than I ever have been in my 37 yrs.

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
haha that's how I know you are getting pissed, you have to resort to spell check like a bitch.

Sorry dumbass, I don't need to resort to spell check to know how to spell 'Nazi'. You obviously do. :1orglaugh

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:36 PM

Good get it out of your system you simpleminded moronic imbecile. :glugglug :glugglug :glugglug

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:38 PM

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Sorry dumbass, I don't need to resort to spell check to know how to spell 'Nazi'. You obviously do. :1orglaugh
and it took you 10 minutes to post that :1orglaugh

Can you read? It was corrected above as were your arguments.

mardigras 09-27-2004 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising


I've always been taught if you don't stick with something you will never accomplish anything. :2 cents:


Confucius say he who is without flexibility breaks at first curve:glugglug

SuckOnThis 09-27-2004 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
and it took you 10 minutes to post that :1orglaugh

Can you read? It was corrected above as were your arguments.

Weak.

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Weak.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 02:48 PM

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Confucius say he who is without flexibility breaks at first curve:glugglug
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Good quote.

mardigras 09-27-2004 03:46 PM

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:thumbsup

Good quote.

Thanks... just one of those little thoughts I have while reading GFY:glugglug

fuct 09-27-2004 05:21 PM

first off:

fuck bush! he's a moron & will kill us all :flagface...

second off:
i cannot take anyone serious when they refer to another person who we are declaring war on as "evil do'ers" thats just pathetic use of grammer & speach espically for someone who's incharge of a MAJOR World Power.

if someone who is running for president is using Flash video games on there page w/ clown music playing in the background while making fun of other figures in office and another countries president is really sad. he really needs to grow-up really bad. im not sure how anyone can take that serious. common cut all the bullshit 3rd grade 'im telling on you' shit talk outa the way and just state what it is your really going to do in office to help build a better informed America.

later on bush does a quote on his page about what Kerry said on the raido w/ a full quote, i still couldnt find what was wrong with what Kerry had to say. i dont think anyone really read what he had to say about the current standings on the war in Iraq.

fuck bush and his childish antics, the man was a cheerleader for christ sakes~!~! and he never went to fight in a war, i'd love to see him watch his close friend die in his arms with blood running down his arms to see the true faces of death & war. id love to watch that man wash his hands in a pool of blood that will never clean the stains. id love to see him scream in pain as the bullett burns his inner parts of his body as it rests inside his chest.

a quote brought up during the Condoleeza Rice interview about Bin bin Laden's threat warnings:

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i do not have time to swat at flies
fuck man, your suppost to protect us from all these assholes~!

I stand my ground at this point and will not move. while some of you disagree and shrug your shoulders, i feel bad for you that you have to sleep with a close mind at night.

(guess some of you forgot what they are tryin to do to the adult industry)

AdnerAdvertising 09-27-2004 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by fuct
first off:

fuck bush! he's a moron & will kill us all :flagface...

second off:
i cannot take anyone serious when they refer to another person who we are declaring war on as "evil do'ers" thats just pathetic use of grammer & speach espically for someone who's incharge of a MAJOR World Power.

if someone who is running for president is using Flash video games on there page w/ clown music playing in the background while making fun of other figures in office and another countries president is really sad. he really needs to grow-up really bad. im not sure how anyone can take that serious. common cut all the bullshit 3rd grade 'im telling on you' shit talk outa the way and just state what it is your really going to do in office to help build a better informed America.

later on bush does a quote on his page about what Kerry said on the raido w/ a full quote, i still couldnt find what was wrong with what Kerry had to say. i dont think anyone really read what he had to say about the current standings on the war in Iraq.

fuck bush and his childish antics, the man was a cheerleader for christ sakes~!~! and he never went to fight in a war, i'd love to see him watch his close friend die in his arms with blood running down his arms to see the true faces of death & war. id love to watch that man wash his hands in a pool of blood that will never clean the stains. id love to see him scream in pain as the bullett burns his inner parts of his body as it rests inside his chest.

a quote brought up during the Condoleeza Rice interview about Bin bin Laden's threat warnings:



fuck man, your suppost to protect us from all these assholes~!

I stand my ground at this point and will not move. while some of you disagree and shrug your shoulders, i feel bad for you that you have to sleep with a close mind at night.

(guess some of you forgot what they are tryin to do to the adult industry)

Dude you sound like a monkey shut the fuck up moron. FUCK you can't even type a complete sentence.

fuct 09-27-2004 06:06 PM

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Dude you sound like a monkey shut the fuck up moron. FUCK you can't even type a complete sentence.

what part of what you had to say had anything to do with anything. you sound like a poor little child who just spilt his milk. go cry me a river.

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