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m0rph3us · 08-01-2001, 12:37 AM

This disgusts me. I've sent numerous reports to ASACP yet no reply.
http://www.mosteroticteens.com/

This site uses ccbill for billing. It aparently deals with the "nude" aspect of teenage girls. No model age specifitaciton on their site or where records are kept etc.. (i'm under impression that it's against the law)

and look at their "disclaimer": http://www.mosteroticteens.com/disclaimer.htm

does this mean just cuz everyone else is doing it it's ok?

Isn't it illegal for girls under the age of 18 to pose nude? eh?

Gemini · 08-01-2001, 12:42 AM

*sigh* only if sex is intimated or in sexual positions-having it. Nudes of minors are legal underage for now.

Kimmykim · 08-01-2001, 12:43 AM

You know what Morpheus, sometimes it might not be a bad idea to email CCBill with complaints about sites we process for.

I don't personally agree with a few of them and we don't as a company agree with some of them, but you know things aren't always the same as they were when we approved the join.

Emailing ASACP is good, we support them in every way -- but sometimes emailing me as well as them isnt a bad thing -- [email protected]

m0rph3us · 08-01-2001, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemini:
*sigh* only if sex is intimated or in sexual positions-having it. Nudes of minors are legal underage for now.

I'm sorry but that's just disgusting.

So your 12 year old daughter naked in front of thousands wanking off to her is ok?
Personal opinion but that shit is disgusting

m0rph3us · 08-01-2001, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
You know what Morpheus, sometimes it might not be a bad idea to email CCBill with complaints about sites we process for.

I don't personally agree with a few of them and we don't as a company agree with some of them, but you know things aren't always the same as they were when we approved the join.

Emailing ASACP is good, we support them in every way -- but sometimes emailing me as well as them isnt a bad thing -- [email protected]

Thx kim, i'll contact you in the future. Never knew your email addy

BTW my post wasn't meant to flame ccbill. You guys to a great job.

[This message has been edited by m0rph3us (edited 08-01-2001).]

Kimmykim · 08-01-2001, 12:47 AM

And since Gemini brought it up I will also mention this -- some things are legal that maybe shouldnt be. I don't make the laws, you don't either.

If we (or any other processor for that matter and I wouldn't name anyone in particular since this is a CCB site you are talking about) approves a site for processing, regardless of what they do afterward, the liability changes once that site is approved unfortunately.

Once again I don't personally approve (nor do I personally approve every site that we take for billing) but if you don't let us know then we don't know you have concerns.

Gemini · 08-01-2001, 12:57 AM

m0rph3us

Hardly! I hate those sites. But until laws are changed they will be with us. BTW, we turn EVERYone of them in as well. Let Helmy sort out the sites and report them as needed. He knows the people to report to to get get fast action.

I sighed simply out of frustration that I can't personally throttle the owners. I think I have proven my stance on this area more than once.

Report and give it 48 hours, and report again if you hear nothing. EMails and form mails get lost.

Kimmykim · 08-01-2001, 01:02 AM

Ya know what morpheus, we can take the flames, if you have a legitimate issue and you don't have an email addy I'd much rather see you flame than sit on the whole thing.

No guarantee we're always going to be nice at first if you do flame but I'll be the first to admit (I hope) when right and wrong don't match with legal.

Say what you mean and what you want to, that's sometimes the best way to get talking started

Kimmykim · 08-01-2001, 01:24 AM

morpheus --- where is my email about all this?

TheWatcher · 08-01-2001, 01:42 AM

Can I send you a e-mail for particular reason? Kim?

ROFL =O)

Kimmykim · 08-01-2001, 01:44 AM

in all reality you can probably send me an email about nothing and i'll probably answer, its just something in my nature

Hypo · 08-01-2001, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us:
I'm sorry but that's just disgusting.
So your 12 year old daughter naked in front of thousands wanking off to her is ok?
Personal opinion but that shit is disgusting

But that does not stop you guys using Britney Spears facial cumshots and Anna Kournikova nudes does it? I suppose its ok with their parents to see millions wankin off to their daughters just cos they have crossed 18 years. Hypocrisy is rampant in this biz.

Chris R · 08-01-2001, 09:17 AM

In MD, and many other states - I can legally have sex with a 16 year old, but having pictures of her having sex will end up with me in prison.

Kat - Fast · 08-01-2001, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hypo:
But that does not stop you guys using Britney Spears facial cumshots and Anna Kournikova nudes does it? I suppose its ok with their parents to see millions wankin off to their daughters just cos they have crossed 18 years. Hypocrisy is rampant in this biz.

Thank you Hypo - took the text from my fingers.

Burtman · 08-01-2001, 09:41 AM

Hey Lensman:

Can you do something about the posting of links to these sites on here. I mean there are def. more than just adult webmasters hanging out here, lurkers you know.

I thought it was an unwritten rule that you don't post links, instead you ask where to report it to and if you need help with verification ask somebody who is established and hook up with them on ICQ.

Just a thought, this shit may be legal but its garbage in my books and the kids that wander in here and the pedos that keep their eye on the webmaster boards don't need to see it. And even if its just one lurker, its one too many.
No slant on you m0rph3us but I see a couple of boards where people are posting links and it pisses me off.

Burtman

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MrCockTale · 08-01-2001, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
in all reality you can probably send me an email about nothing and i'll probably answer, its just something in my nature

Funny is that ccbill never replies my
emails :P

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HQ · 08-01-2001, 09:50 AM

Burtman, i posted a link before, cuz i got spammed by a top list and later found out it was a KP top list... i went in later and edited my post and deleted the link.

plus, i wonder if it helps you have a few webmasters all report it, instead of just one?

i do agree with what you are saying though. we shouldn't advertise them one bit.

Kimmykim · 08-01-2001, 12:11 PM

well you know MrCocktail, you have to actually send me the email, I don't think everyone else just answers them like that

TimmyASACP · 08-01-2001, 10:37 PM

Hi m0rph3us

We reply to every ASACP Report that is submitted with a valid e-mail address. I am reasonably sure I know the last report you submitted to us on Wednesday, August 1, 2001.
It was a Yahoo e-mail address which I will not publish here incase you don't wan't it to be made public. It is possible that you made a typo when you typed in your e-mail address or there is a problem with the Yahoo servers or your e-mail account. I have not received a return from the Yahoo mail server regarding the reply I sent you. I will include your report and our reply below...

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:20:46 a.m. -0400 (EDT)
To: [email protected]
From: ****_***@yahoo.com ()
Subject: ASACP.ORG - Child Porn Report

Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
(****_***@yahoo.com) on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 at 03:20:46 a.m.
---------------------------------------------

url: http://www.mosteroticteens.com/

suspectemail: [email protected]

comments: This is the second time reporting this site. It disgusts me. I want to know why it's not being shut down. Look at their pathetic disclaimer: http://www.mosteroticteens.com/disclaimer.htm

I was under the impression that it's the law to specify you models' ages and that no models under 18 are allowed to post nude?

I await a reply. I guess if this is ignored i'm going to report the site to fbi.gov

submit: Submit Report
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The reply I sent you at 12:53 p.m. Wed, 1 Aug 2001 ...

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To: ****_***@yahoo.com ()
Subject: Re: ASACP.ORG - Child Porn Report
Reply-to: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:53:24 p.m.

Thank you for writing HELMY Enterprises. We've reported the site to both the U.S. Customs Service and the F.B.I, unfortunately we are unable to give you any further details regarding possible actions taken against this site and its operator(s). The authorities are
unwilling to discuss any information regarding any reports or on going investigations. We understand your concerns but as much as we'd like to keep you informed about the progress of your reports, we are unable to do so at this time. If we can be of any further assistance please feel free to contact us.

P.S. Thank you for your support !

I have included 2 questions and answers from our frequently asked questions. I hope this helps to answer your questions. Please feel free to report this site yourself to the authorities.

Q. Are sites which contain nude children illegal ? They claim that they are art sites and contain no pornography. They claim they are legal under U.S. Laws. Is this true and should I report sites like this ?

A. In some, but not all, cases this may be true. We encourage everyone to report any site they find suspect or offensive. Just because a site claims to be legal does not mean it is. We report all sites which contain nude minors and the authorities make all legal determinations. For the legal definitions of child pornography please visit... http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2256.html

Q. I have reported a suspect site to you some time ago and it is still active on the internet. Why has the site not been removed ?

A. There can be many reasons why a reported site remains active on the internet. Some of the possible reasons are:
*The authorities have not yet completed their investigation of the site and its customers.
*The site was not found to be illegal under current laws and the authorities were unable to take any action against the site.
*The site and its owner(s) / operator(s) reside in a country where the U.S. authorities are unable to act or gain the co-operation of that countries authorities.
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I hope this has addressed your concerns. Rest assured that the site has been reported to the authorities. If I can be of any further assistance please don't hesitate to contact me.

Best Regards
Tim
[email protected]
ASACP

[This message has been edited by Tim (edited 08-01-2001).]

08-01-2001, 12:37 AM	#1
m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	Why is this KP not offline yet? This disgusts me. I've sent numerous reports to ASACP yet no reply. http://www.mosteroticteens.com/ This site uses ccbill for billing. It aparently deals with the "nude" aspect of teenage girls. No model age specifitaciton on their site or where records are kept etc.. (i'm under impression that it's against the law) and look at their "disclaimer": http://www.mosteroticteens.com/disclaimer.htm does this mean just cuz everyone else is doing it it's ok? Isn't it illegal for girls under the age of 18 to pose nude? eh?

08-01-2001, 12:42 AM	#2
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	sigh only if sex is intimated or in sexual positions-having it. Nudes of minors are legal underage for now.

08-01-2001, 12:43 AM	#3
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	You know what Morpheus, sometimes it might not be a bad idea to email CCBill with complaints about sites we process for. I don't personally agree with a few of them and we don't as a company agree with some of them, but you know things aren't always the same as they were when we approved the join. Emailing ASACP is good, we support them in every way -- but sometimes emailing me as well as them isnt a bad thing -- [email protected]

08-01-2001, 12:47 AM	#6
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	And since Gemini brought it up I will also mention this -- some things are legal that maybe shouldnt be. I don't make the laws, you don't either. If we (or any other processor for that matter and I wouldn't name anyone in particular since this is a CCB site you are talking about) approves a site for processing, regardless of what they do afterward, the liability changes once that site is approved unfortunately. Once again I don't personally approve (nor do I personally approve every site that we take for billing) but if you don't let us know then we don't know you have concerns.

08-01-2001, 12:57 AM	#7
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	m0rph3us Hardly! I hate those sites. But until laws are changed they will be with us. BTW, we turn EVERYone of them in as well. Let Helmy sort out the sites and report them as needed. He knows the people to report to to get get fast action. I sighed simply out of frustration that I can't personally throttle the owners. I think I have proven my stance on this area more than once. Report and give it 48 hours, and report again if you hear nothing. EMails and form mails get lost.

08-01-2001, 01:02 AM	#8
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Ya know what morpheus, we can take the flames, if you have a legitimate issue and you don't have an email addy I'd much rather see you flame than sit on the whole thing. No guarantee we're always going to be nice at first if you do flame but I'll be the first to admit (I hope) when right and wrong don't match with legal. Say what you mean and what you want to, that's sometimes the best way to get talking started

08-01-2001, 01:24 AM	#9
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	morpheus --- where is my email about all this?

08-01-2001, 01:42 AM	#10
TheWatcher Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 563	Can I send you a e-mail for particular reason? Kim? ROFL =O)

08-01-2001, 01:44 AM	#11
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	in all reality you can probably send me an email about nothing and i'll probably answer, its just something in my nature

08-01-2001, 09:17 AM	#13
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	In MD, and many other states - I can legally have sex with a 16 year old, but having pictures of her having sex will end up with me in prison.

08-01-2001, 09:41 AM	#15
Burtman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 484	Hey Lensman: Can you do something about the posting of links to these sites on here. I mean there are def. more than just adult webmasters hanging out here, lurkers you know. I thought it was an unwritten rule that you don't post links, instead you ask where to report it to and if you need help with verification ask somebody who is established and hook up with them on ICQ. Just a thought, this shit may be legal but its garbage in my books and the kids that wander in here and the pedos that keep their eye on the webmaster boards don't need to see it. And even if its just one lurker, its one too many. No slant on you m0rph3us but I see a couple of boards where people are posting links and it pisses me off. Burtman ------------------ Thumbspot TGP ISPrime Web Hosting for $2.50 a Gig!

08-01-2001, 09:50 AM	#17
HQ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,539	Burtman, i posted a link before, cuz i got spammed by a top list and later found out it was a KP top list... i went in later and edited my post and deleted the link. plus, i wonder if it helps you have a few webmasters all report it, instead of just one? i do agree with what you are saying though. we shouldn't advertise them one bit.

08-01-2001, 12:11 PM	#18
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	well you know MrCocktail, you have to actually send me the email, I don't think everyone else just answers them like that

08-01-2001, 10:37 PM	#19
TimmyASACP Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2	Hi m0rph3us We reply to every ASACP Report that is submitted with a valid e-mail address. I am reasonably sure I know the last report you submitted to us on Wednesday, August 1, 2001. It was a Yahoo e-mail address which I will not publish here incase you don't wan't it to be made public. It is possible that you made a typo when you typed in your e-mail address or there is a problem with the Yahoo servers or your e-mail account. I have not received a return from the Yahoo mail server regarding the reply I sent you. I will include your report and our reply below... -------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:20:46 a.m. -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: **_@yahoo.com () Subject: ASACP.ORG - Child Porn Report Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by (*_@yahoo.com) on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 at 03:20:46 a.m. --------------------------------------------- url: http://www.mosteroticteens.com/ suspectemail: [email protected] comments: This is the second time reporting this site. It disgusts me. I want to know why it's not being shut down. Look at their pathetic disclaimer: http://www.mosteroticteens.com/disclaimer.htm I was under the impression that it's the law to specify you models' ages and that no models under 18 are allowed to post nude? I await a reply. I guess if this is ignored i'm going to report the site to fbi.gov submit: Submit Report ------------------------------------------- The reply I sent you at 12:53 p.m. Wed, 1 Aug 2001 ... -------------------------------------------- To: *_@yahoo.com () Subject: Re: ASACP.ORG - Child Porn Report Reply-to: [email protected] Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:53:24 p.m. Thank you for writing HELMY Enterprises. We've reported the site to both the U.S. Customs Service and the F.B.I, unfortunately we are unable to give you any further details regarding possible actions taken against this site and its operator(s). The authorities are unwilling to discuss any information regarding any reports or on going investigations. We understand your concerns but as much as we'd like to keep you informed about the progress of your reports, we are unable to do so at this time. If we can be of any further assistance please feel free to contact us. P.S. Thank you for your support ! I have included 2 questions and answers from our frequently asked questions. I hope this helps to answer your questions. Please feel free to report this site yourself to the authorities. Q. Are sites which contain nude children illegal ? They claim that they are art sites and contain no pornography. They claim they are legal under U.S. Laws. Is this true and should I report sites like this ? A. In some, but not all, cases this may be true. We encourage everyone to report any site they find suspect or offensive. Just because a site claims to be legal does not mean it is. We report all sites which contain nude minors and the authorities make all legal determinations. For the legal definitions of child pornography please visit... http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2256.html Q. I have reported a suspect site to you some time ago and it is still active on the internet. Why has the site not been removed ? A. There can be many reasons why a reported site remains active on the internet. Some of the possible reasons are: The authorities have not yet completed their investigation of the site and its customers. The site was not found to be illegal under current laws and the authorities were unable to take any action against the site. The site and its owner(s) / operator(s) reside in a country where the U.S. authorities are unable to act or gain the co-operation of that countries authorities. -------------------------------------------- I hope this has addressed your concerns. Rest assured that the site has been reported to the authorities. If I can be of any further assistance please don't hesitate to contact me. Best Regards Tim [email protected] ASACP [This message has been edited by Tim (edited 08-01-2001).]