V_RocKs

What do you do when the server fucking crashes? My TGP, www.rhinosthumbs.com was 70k 24 hours ago. It took me 3 months to do it. Now it is 20k because my server went down for 8 fucking hours while I slept. A good portion of my best trades got pissed and left. I have tried to buy traffic to get the trades going at their previous levels but no one had enough to sell, or the shit they were selling was - shit.

So... has anyone had this happened and what'd you do about it? My TGP IS actually trading at more than 20k since the 20k has 8 hours of flat line in it. About 10 of the solid trades are back to trading in decent numbers (100 - 200 per hour) but not in the 300 - 500 per hour I had before the crash...

Any hope in it eventually fixing itself. Will the bookmarkers bring it back to say 40 or 50k quickly... anyone have some decent fucking news for me... I'm going to go and cry... I look forward to your replies.

harvey

I don't get what you mean. If you're trading, I'm sure both you and your trades use scripts that send accordingly to what they receive. Then, why should your trades be mad at you for 8 hours of not sending hits? Exception made of those forcing, of course, but surfers will get to their site anyway, so really don't get what you mean. As for traffic, you're right, most traffic providers cannot send what they're supposed to send

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V_RocKs

Well, it is weird... If I lost a total of 3,000 hits to a site that was down and I had 70,000 uniques a day, why would i give a shit... In fact, I don't... But there are a ton that do and think, ohhh, you just tried to cheat me and freak the fuck out.

Then there are the people that get so bent over production and effectiveness. Obviously my effectiveness suffered because I wasn't sending 350 hits per hour for 8 hours. Shit adds up quick. But think about it for the long run.

Lastly, there are the, your production isn't good enough. What that really means is the webmaster is a newb. If the production isn't as good as your other trades, lower the percentage sent back so the effectiveness is par with them and then it doesn't matter and the trade is giving you new IP's you can trade out yourself. IP's you didn't already have...

I should have posted this shit earlier. To many of the TGP owners went to sleep already.

ppk

Lower skim by 1 or 2%.

And pray that your site has the bookmarkers to jump up.

Do not do anything DRASTIC. Wait until you have 24 hours of stats before you try anything DRASTIC.


Slightly lower skim + Bookmarkers should bounce you back in the game.

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V_RocKs

Thanks ppk... I did 2 drastic things... One was go straight CJ once I found out to try and send out some hits, but then I figured, my bookmarkers are gonna be pissed and the production will be so low it won't f'ing matter so I set it back to the original level.

Shit... Probably going to have to buy some Choker traffic and see how it goes...

ppk

Natural instinct is to panic, and that usually does more harm than good. Just like you don't jack your skim up to 70% from 60%, you don't jack your skim down to 60% from 70%. Skimming requires gradual change.

1 or 2% doesn't piss of bookmarkers much and it really does send more traffic (to get you back).

Also, if you're 70K .. you should have SOME bookmarkers who will get you back ASAP. I think the general rule is, you can stay down for about 6 to 10 hours and still regrow (adjusted for size of your site(s)).

So right now you're borderline... you should be fine.

Of course, it doesn't HURT to feed some extra traffic in.. if you don't have patience

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Shoplifter

I was wondering what happened to your trade last night. I am forcing you some hits right now.

Groove

I was looking into the possibility of a load balanced server cluster, but it appears that none of the major trade scripts support clustering. You can however, install scripts on 2 servers and have a load balancer send half the traffic to one box and half to the other, thereby eliminating a single point of failure, ie if one box goes down you're able to continue trading, assuming that neither box was running much over 50% capacity to begin with. The main drawback of this strategy (as far as I can see) is that you have to enter your trade settings twice, ie once for each script.

ppk

Also, do not use toplists because they will be different on each (unless you use hard toplists).

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V_RocKs

Yeah, I was looking to buy some traffic from you. You got shit even traffic-out would be jeleous of ;)

Hit me up on ICQ if you want to sell some and make the trade a bit lopsided...

V_RocKs

I said, 70k, 70K, SEVENTY-THOUSAND uniques per day... Not Seven-Hundred Thousand... When I am there though, I will hire you as my network guy.

V_RocKs

BTW, nice site man... First time I went there I thought it was a porn site it was so fucking sick. Who did your design?

Shoplifter

I'm not really in a position to sell as I am trying to tinker it all up to a solid 150k / day. I will throw you all I can tho.

Fucksakes

I can remember jumping from host to host over this crap, once i dedicated my month non stop doing trades, got my site to 100k and than guess what happens, my hosts decided to turn my site off cause i was using to much bandwidth, which was really sad. i lost all my traffic i worked for that month, i cried for real.

after so many hosts im finally with swiftwill and havnt had a problem since. always online and no bullshit problems.

V_RocKs

I am with swiftco which might as well be swiftwill... And I know about the crying game... I haven't cried since my old lady got all choked up about the dog dying... Even then, I wouldn't have cried except that I was the one taking it to the vet with its leg all torn up and it looking at me like, what the fuck asshole, DO SOMETHING! Turned out the vet was fucking closed... So I just watched him die...

Groove

You certainly would not need a 700k TGP to afford this option.

A 2 server cluster will set you back $247/mo at Server Matrix:

$99/mo 2.4 P4 1,200GB, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD ($199 setup)
$99/mo 2.4 P4 1,200GB, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD ($199 setup)
$49/mo Load Balancer ($25 setup)

Or EV1 can do a 2 box Celeron cluster for $218/mo:

http://www.ev1servers.net/english/hi...l_clusters.asp

You may not be able to justify that for a 70k TGP, but
if you're also doing other stuff it might be an option.

johndoebob

First think about changing hosts, long downtimes can be deadly for sites that are mainly based on traded traffic.

Don't overreact, get your trades straight, wait ~36 hours until everything settles and after that decide about the needed amount of feeder traffic to get everything to the exact point where it was before if neccecary.

You also may raise the percent up to 5% higher in the lower areas (never in the first few lines) and if really needed replace the ad links with trades to get a n additional boost.

Good luck

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V_RocKs

Good things to consider. As for switching hosts.. It wasn't the host, it was my server... I just want it to work correctly. The host is working with me to figure out what happened. They host a shitload of bigname sponsors so I know they can handle my shit. And the tech there is gods gift to morons like me.

More Booze

I was moving a 25k TGP to a new host and they fucked up everything so my site was down ~20 hours.
So I did setup a new server with another hosting company, and when the nameservers was changed I started to skim 100% to trades just because I didnt have time to setup all scripts and crop the thumbs.
My site grow to 40k within 2 days and is now stable at 35k.

johndoebob

Ever thought about getting a monitoring service that'll send you a sms or call you if your server goes down?

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Bike

1) Use a good host - a good host isn't cheap.
2) Don't piss off your visitors but try to get BOOKMARKS.

Problem solved.

Weppel

MySQL can't be clustered/load balanced.

V_RocKs

This reply is useless without a link to your TGP.

V_RocKs

Nice idea... wanna know the shitter of it all? Was at the GF's when it went down... I was going to check it out while there but she hates it when I 'work' at her pad when I am supposed to be working her... So I didn't... had the window of opertunity when she went to the bathroom too... fuck me!

V_RocKs

Not using SQL for much...

Groove

Really? So how do you explain this:

http://www.mysql.com/products/cluster/ ?

V_RocKs

Ohhh... little bit of drama, pass the popcorn!

johndoebob

Murphy's law is a bitch

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body

How many bookmarkers you have? With some bookies your site should grow easily again

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V_RocKs

See my other post on TM3 and bookmarkers...

V_RocKs

Well, ending result was 19k after the crash and I am now 26k and rising about .5 to 1.5k per hour.. not a bad rebound. Thanks for holding my hand and telling me it was going to be ok while I was sweating it out!

V_RocKs

45k... life is much better again... I can breathe...

rhizome

The trials and tribulations of a TGP-CJ. Raise your skim to over 80% and you will never have to worry about this again.

evanmorgan

V_RocKs

50k....

Umm.. sorry but I don't have 3 years to grow a 80% skim tgp with.... thanks for the thought.

Dead13

Don't do anything at all. Just be patient and in two days (three max) your traffic should be right back to normal.

Thats all I ever do. I may add a lot more galleries than I usually do for a few days to try and pump productivity but I do not ever screw with skim %s, layout, trades or anything.

Remember this too, most of your trade partners are just as anxious to get your trades back up as you are, I don't think you have to worry about losing trades because of downtime.

rowan

One of the major problems with downtime is that your trades will continue sending into a black hole, especially if they have a set force. Your end is down so it's not counting the hits, and you end up with an unbalanced trade. After you pop back up their end sends back less because the return from their perspective is now 150% instead of 120%.

For your big trades it's often easier to both reset your stats and then do a force to grow it from scratch again. That's assuming you can get into contact with them.

You could also set up a second site on a different host. If one has downtime, use the remaining site as a feeder once it's back up again.

I think Choker is the only major traffic guy that lets you start traffic orders by yourself so it's probably worth having some funds sitting in your CTTS bank for emergencies.

crockett

like others have said leave the skim where is was you don't want to fuck up traffic you have left .. Seriously though I'm guessing at that size you should have 15k-20k in book markers.. you should beable to build back up with that.

An Idea I have if you want to try it, is to setup a backend page.. make it with like 20-30 "nice looking big thumbnails. use a very high skim on these like 40-50% and send bought traffic right to this page.. This way it dosen't affect your bookmarkers or productivy on your main page. It's an Idea that I think would work but I've never tried it, so I can't tell you if it will or not.

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V_RocKs

Nice idea...

hotstuff

this is for in-memory dbs only, mysql developed it for their telephony clients (sms processing). learn to read, idiot. as far as using a budget host, with a shared loadbalancer which doesnt work right and not a single clueful tech on staff, great idea sherlock. ill refer my competitors to you, whats your contact info?

good luck, v_rocks. as nietzsche said, whatever doesnt kill [you] makes [you] stronger.

bret

V_Rocks,

Reading this post makes me sick to my stomach. Sorry about the bad news... If only I wouldn't have shelfed my project you could have switched over and probably never even had this problem.

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guys, this one is so old....I think he sorted everything out...

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Spunky

Email your trades and just tell them what happened..it will grow back again

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OMFG hotstuff you cheesedick, what the hell is wrong with you?

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chowda

i just got a messed up integrated popup active x.. odd.

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VeriSexy

Damn, that freaking sucks... Did you figure out why it crashed so it never happens again?

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hotstuff

not sure how i managed to get at this old thread really, must have been a search i guess. apologies to all.