Its Time For The US To Pull Out of Iraq - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

masterE · 09-18-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
I disagree... the core objective was not accomplished. Iraq has not been established as the 52nd State yet.

52nd??

EDIT: Oh yeah FIFTY states

theking · 09-18-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by TheLegacy

Guess what, did anyone read the thread and article that if Bush stays in... you guys are getting drafted?? Thats right, they are running short of soldiers because Bush spread the forces to thin...

Before a draft would ever become necessary...more National Guard units and Reserve units...as well as the Ready Reserve can be called to active duty.

In addition...the Congress dictates military end force levels. All branches of the military are meeting their recruitment goals and are turning away volunteers or placing them on deferred enlistment status. Congress can at any time vote to increase military end force levels...before ever having a need to impose a draft.

masterE · 09-18-2004, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by digi

so basically what you are saying is that the UN and the rest of the world should clean up the mess YOU caused even though you barely had any support for the war in the first place.

Why must the narrow minded always take this to a personal level. I didn't cause this war, neither did any other member on this fucking board.

Hate Bush, that is fine, I hate Bush for the fucking patriot act. But don't lump every American into your hate bowl. K? I get really pissed off when I see hate Americans, Americans are evil, Fuck the Americans etc.

I think Bush is a retard for going into Iraq. And I'm an American.

theking · 09-18-2004, 12:18 PM

In answer to the thread title...no. It is time for the politicians to stop micro managing the military and allow our military to take off the "gloves"...crush the "insurgents" and get on with the mission in Iraq.

Rich · 09-18-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by bringer
there will be no draft

It's funny when delusional children try to talk with adults.

Rich · 09-18-2004, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard

Perhaps we should have stayed out of Iraq. We should have let Iraq take of Kuwait, and let Iraq control what - 20% of the world's oil reserves? We should have let Iraq and Iran develop nukes and bomb the shit out of each other... and then watch the price of our precious gasoline skyrocket.

You're about a dozen years late.

Rich · 09-18-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
hahaha retreating after being completely and totally decimated is hardly the same as "pulling out" in the context of which it is being discussed here.

Why, because you gave up quicker? Your point makes no logical sense.

directfiesta · 09-18-2004, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
... and then watch the price of our precious gasoline skyrocket.

Sure, they are pretty stable now:

GOING UP !!!!

44.50 $ a barrel and climbing...

Pleasurepays · 09-18-2004, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Why, because you gave up quicker? Your point makes no logical sense.

huh? "logic"? "gave up quicker"?
what the fuck are you talking about?

apparently you're so busy running 3 of top 10 casinos on the net that you don't apparently have time to read and understand what people are posting. thats understandable.

KRL · 09-18-2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by theking
In answer to the thread title...no. It is time for the politicians to stop micro managing the military and allow our military to take off the "gloves"...crush the "insurgents" and get on with the mission in Iraq.

You're not keeping up with the news coming from the troops themselves.

Even the non-insurgents want the Americans to leave. That's what prompted this post.

The soldiers are saying they're getting "just get the hell outta here" looks from the people they're trying to protect.

How do you propose to crush the insurgents. For your information its the majority of the population. Are you suggesting we take out millions of people?

This has to be one one your least thought out post mrking.

I'm also not saying pull out of the region. We should just pull back into Saudi Arabia and see how things go. We are accomplishing absolutely nothing right now except making the situation worse.

markbk · 09-18-2004, 02:44 PM

Draft? ahh im to old anyway

I think there are a million or so solders left before theres a draft.

I dont think going into these insane country's will help the US in the likeability department, but there was a threat or would be a threat from iraq at some point. they all hate western people and there beliefs. Iraq has been dodging many of the agreements they made back in 91. should have finished the job back then.

America shoulda just bought those country's back in the 30's instead of teaching them how to get oil. no matter what happens you cant reason or beat these country's no matter how many are killed.

I sway back and forth but every day it seems like it would be better to cut the loses and get out of there.

Anybody really think Saudi, kuwait or any of the arib country's really like Americans is wrong, they use us just like the oil America uses them for.

btw i just noticed an obscure piece of information. john travolta was in that movie carry, also the guy from the greatest american herio, if u remember that stupid ass show.

alexg · 09-18-2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
KRL, don't you think that the today's Iraq is a far better place for terrorists than Saddam's Iraq?
And by saying "terrorists" I don't mean the guys who attack US soldiers ( and civilians ) in Iraq..I mean Al Quaeda etc.

In Iraq ( just like in Afghanistan ) the government doesn't have any real power now and cannot control the situation in whole country... so terrorists from Al Quaeda can feel there even safer now than before and 'work' with no problems on plans to attack the US...

first, what do you mean by this?

"And by saying "terrorists" I don't mean the guys who attack US soldiers ( and civilians ) in Iraq..I mean Al Quaeda etc."

those who attack civilians aren't terrorists? I take it you believe they are "freedom fighters"

second, during saddam's regime, terrorists had no problems working on plans to attack the US as well, because saddam supported those plans..

or maybe you think saddam has always loved the USA?

crockett · 09-18-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Before a draft would ever become necessary...more National Guard units and Reserve units...as well as the Ready Reserve can be called to active duty.

In addition...the Congress dictates military end force levels. All branches of the military are meeting their recruitment goals and are turning away volunteers or placing them on deferred enlistment status. Congress can at any time vote to increase military end force levels...before ever having a need to impose a draft.

umm where have you been, Bush has already been way over using the reserves.

Friend of mine just got back from 2 years active duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.. He was in the Air Force reserves you know the guys that are supposed to be 2 days a month 2 weeks a year... yea well he got 2 years instead.

alexg · 09-18-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Thrawn$
I dont think israel will let the US go
they need your soldiers to take over syria and iran

yeah and you think Israel will decide for the US army when to leave right?

NiteRain · 09-18-2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by bringer
there will be no draft

Yeah, sounds kind of like that song I heard from George Bush 41, "Read my lips, no new taxes"

Nysus · 09-18-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Saddam's regime was removed from power. The core mission was accomplished.

The seeds of democracy have been planted. Its up to the Iraqis to make them grow or wither now.

By staying in any longer we're only going to make things worse.

If they need military support going forward they should go to the United Nations.

This is where the US blows it. Staying in to long.

The job was done, now its time to leave and let the world provide security resources if they are asked for.

The US has to make sure their economy is stable and growing before they could fairly pull out. Bush went against the United Nations when going into Iraq and if the USA expects the UN to takeover, they're going to get shit on by countries of the UN; it's not fair to do, mind you, it's how the US has grown and continued to profit largely / bring in riches / benefit from other countries - yes I know it's business, but it's far from clean. Not talking about anything specifically nor even specifically Iraq.

Matt

Nysus · 09-18-2004, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
You're not keeping up with the news coming from the troops themselves.

Even the non-insurgents want the Americans to leave. That's what prompted this post.

The soldiers are saying they're getting "just get the hell outta here" looks from the people they're trying to protect.

How do you propose to crush the insurgents. For your information its the majority of the population. Are you suggesting we take out millions of people?

This has to be one one your least thought out post mrking.

I'm also not saying pull out of the region. We should just pull back into Saudi Arabia and see how things go. We are accomplishing absolutely nothing right now except making the situation worse.

The news you see is what "someone" wants you to see - plus we all know protestors are usually the loudest.

And, just because someone doesn't want fully-armed soldiers everywhere in their country doesn't mean the country doesn't need them to still to maintain order ... many other implications that I'm too tired to talk about.

Matt

theking · 09-18-2004, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
You're not keeping up with the news coming from the troops themselves.

Even the non-insurgents want the Americans to leave. That's what prompted this post.

The soldiers are saying they're getting "just get the hell outta here" looks from the people they're trying to protect.

How do you propose to crush the insurgents. For your information its the majority of the population. Are you suggesting we take out millions of people?

This has to be one one your least thought out post mrking.

I'm also not saying pull out of the region. We should just pull back into Saudi Arabia and see how things go. We are accomplishing absolutely nothing right now except making the situation worse.

The "insurgents" are estimated to be in the low tens of thousands...the population is somewhere around 27 million...thus in no way do the insurgents come anywhere close to being a majority. The insurgents are constituted of foreign fighters...former Baathists (many of which will be put on trail if captured)...people that are loyal to one or two Ayatollas (said Ayatollas trying for their own power grab)...people loyal to Saddam/Iraq and some that simply want to kill Americans for whatever their individual reasons.

I am suggesting that the handful of areas (which represents about 10% of the geographical area of Iraq) where the "insurgents" are being allowed safe harbor...and succor be destroyed...and if and when they began to re-establish themselves they be destroyed again. In the short run there will be many killed and maimed on the Iraqi side because the "insurgent's" safe harbors can be decimated primarily by air power. In the long run it will save lives...on both sides...for to prolong the conflict will cost more lives on both sides. There is not any "gentle" way to conduct war and accomplish the mission.

FYI...90% of the geographical area of Iraq is reasonably secure...and people go about their daily basis. In most areas there is more electricity...more drinkable water...more schools...more and better medical care...than pre invasion. There are more and newer automobiles on the roads and highways of Iraq than pre invasion. Food is plentiful...businesses are open...and doing reasonably well. I have seen several documentaries that have been produced by various orgs going from city/village to city/village...and for the most part...people are goiing about their business. The news media...world wide...report about 99% negavtive and not the positive about every event in every country in the world...thus the people of the world tend to think that the world is going to hell in a bread basket...when that is not the case.

FYI...I am in personal contact with 25 or so military people that I know and many of those either served under me or with me during the 1st Gulf War...that are either currently serving in Iraq or have served in Iraq and will probably be going back to Iraq.

sacX · 09-18-2004, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Saddam's regime was removed from power. The core mission was accomplished.

The seeds of democracy have been planted. Its up to the Iraqis to make them grow or wither now.

By staying in any longer we're only going to make things worse.

If they need military support going forward they should go to the United Nations.

This is where the US blows it. Staying in to long.

The job was done, now its time to leave and let the world provide security resources if they are asked for.

Unfortunately Pottery Barn rules apply.
You break it, you pay for it.

theking · 09-18-2004, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by crockett
umm where have you been, Bush has already been way over using the reserves.

Friend of mine just got back from 2 years active duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.. He was in the Air Force reserves you know the guys that are supposed to be 2 days a month 2 weeks a year... yea well he got 2 years instead.

The Congress...beginning in President Bush Sr's term...began to reduce end force levels and closing bases. This process was carried on thoughout President Clinton's two terms in office. Approximately 1,000,000 active duty personell were cut from the roles. With the approval of Congress...the Military had to restructure...and the National Guard and Reserves were made an integral part of the Military. 100% of them can be place on active duty for an indefinite period of time...if the military chooses to do so. If you want to blame someone then blame the Congress for reducing our active duty forces.

Tuna · 09-18-2004, 03:45 PM

The US shouldnt have gone into iraq at all

Joe Citizen · 09-18-2004, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Saddam's regime was removed from power. The core mission was accomplished.

The seeds of democracy have been planted. Its up to the Iraqis to make them grow or wither now.

By staying in any longer we're only going to make things worse.

If they need military support going forward they should go to the United Nations.

This is where the US blows it. Staying in to long.

The job was done, now its time to leave and let the world provide security resources if they are asked for.

I agree with you 100% KRL but you and I know very well that the war was not about democracy or liberating Iraqi's.

Joesho · 09-18-2004, 04:58 PM

we, should not be there, we should have never went there, and it was all the fault of lies and misinformation campaigns, with that said, I think we cant leave, and hear I told you so from the world, I think we need a change in our own leadership and I believe we need a good exit strategy to be implemented with us saving face, but still getting the iraqis OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS TO RULE if it is not someone we want, well that is what we get for changing our policy of containment in to a policy of "shock and awe"

the oldest rule in the world, your reep what you sew, so now we need to have them hold an election, and get an army then get the fuck out of there.

TheLegacy · 09-18-2004, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Before a draft would ever become necessary...more National Guard units and Reserve units...as well as the Ready Reserve can be called to active duty.

In addition...the Congress dictates military end force levels. All branches of the military are meeting their recruitment goals and are turning away volunteers or placing them on deferred enlistment status. Congress can at any time vote to increase military end force levels...before ever having a need to impose a draft.

thank you, seriously - its good to know that the situation does have some rules around it that the governing power can abuse it

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Joesho want to get in shape Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on the lake Posts: 12,329	we, should not be there, we should have never went there, and it was all the fault of lies and misinformation campaigns, with that said, I think we cant leave, and hear I told you so from the world, I think we need a change in our own leadership and I believe we need a good exit strategy to be implemented with us saving face, but still getting the iraqis OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS TO RULE if it is not someone we want, well that is what we get for changing our policy of containment in to a policy of "shock and awe" the oldest rule in the world, your reep what you sew, so now we need to have them hold an election, and get an army then get the fuck out of there. __________________ Got any domains to sell? I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com

09-18-2004, 02:44 PM	#61
markbk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 10	Draft? ahh im to old anyway I think there are a million or so solders left before theres a draft. I dont think going into these insane country's will help the US in the likeability department, but there was a threat or would be a threat from iraq at some point. they all hate western people and there beliefs. Iraq has been dodging many of the agreements they made back in 91. should have finished the job back then. America shoulda just bought those country's back in the 30's instead of teaching them how to get oil. no matter what happens you cant reason or beat these country's no matter how many are killed. I sway back and forth but every day it seems like it would be better to cut the loses and get out of there. Anybody really think Saudi, kuwait or any of the arib country's really like Americans is wrong, they use us just like the oil America uses them for. btw i just noticed an obscure piece of information. john travolta was in that movie carry, also the guy from the greatest american herio, if u remember that stupid ass show.