Who will cave in first? NHL Players or NHL Owners? - GoFuckYourself.com

neverlearn · 09-17-2004, 08:01 AM

Discuss?

Scott McD · 09-17-2004, 08:03 AM

Players.

(i dont know shit about hockey)

Fake Nick · 09-17-2004, 08:04 AM

OWNERS

they usually lose out if a strike goes on to long

(dont know shit about hockey either)

Thrawn$ · 09-17-2004, 08:06 AM

players

Mutt · 09-17-2004, 08:10 AM

neither. this is going to be a long ass lockout. the players will give up major concessions this time - i doubt the NHL will get the hard salary cap they want but a soft cap they'll get. The NHLPA doesn't have a leg to stand on - it is obvious to everybody that hockey players are paid too much compared to their cousins in the NFL and the NBA who have TV contracts that are 10 times and more what the NHL has. NHL players make 75% of all revenues the league takes in - you don't see the union disputing that number because they know it's true. That's rape. It doesn't matter that the owners dug their own graves - the current deal is bad for the owners and the fans and the future of the sport, so it's got to be replaced by a new deal that protects the owners from themselves.

neverlearn · 09-17-2004, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
neither. this is going to be a long ass lockout. the players will give up major concessions this time - i doubt the NHL will get the hard salary cap they want but a soft cap they'll get. The NHLPA doesn't have a leg to stand on - it is obvious to everybody that hockey players are paid too much compared to their cousins in the NFL and the NBA who have TV contracts that are 10 times and more what the NHL has. NHL players make 75% of all revenues the league takes in - you don't see the union disputing that number because they know it's true. That's rape. It doesn't matter that the owners dug their own graves - the current deal is bad for the owners and the fans and the future of the sport, so it's got to be replaced by a new deal that protects the owners from themselves.

Good Points for sure

dodger21 · 09-17-2004, 08:16 AM

Players. The owners have a 300 million dollar war chest built up exactly for this. The will still lose money if there is no season, but they will lose less money not playing then they would playing. Bettman is trying to break the union and I think he's going to be able to do it.

CoolE · 09-17-2004, 09:09 AM

The players will eventually agree to a "salary cap" of some sort - or at least some provision that they are calling a salary cap now, but after they agree to it, they will say it isn't really a salary cap, they'll insist it is a "profit sharing provision" or something like that. In that sense the players will cave first and a deal will happen - eventually.

Not that I give a shit. Major Junior Hockey suits me just fine.

<IMX> · 09-17-2004, 09:13 AM

players...and owners as several franchises will go under imho...NHL hockey isn't viable anymore in its current form.

Huggles · 09-17-2004, 09:20 AM

I once calculated the number of sales you would have to make every two weeks on topbucks to equal an average NHL player's salary.

Lemme think what it was...

I think it was roughly 3500 sales every two weeks for a year to make the same as the average NHL player.

Ramster · 09-17-2004, 09:25 AM

Players will cave and DAMN WELL should. I love hockey. But for fuck sakes these guys are paid millions to pay a fuckin' game!!

They are worried about the owners sharing revenue? The owners OWN the team, they should make lots of money. If the players were paid shit, ok complain but they are not, they are paid very good!

When I worked a regular job could I go to the owner and say Hey you had a good year so I want you to double my pay. You're making too much money.

Varius · 09-17-2004, 09:32 AM

The players will give in first, hopefully by January atleast....

Some players will rather salvage half their NHL salary compared to getting 1/20th of it playing in other leagues.

Some players may not play the whole season even if it does come back though, I can see that happening.

SkyRunner · 09-17-2004, 09:44 AM

Since a couple of NHL-Players are playing in Germany as long as the NHL-Season doesn't start, I hope they cancel the whole season

But I actually don't care much about hockey at all

I just like the "fight-mode" in EA Sports' NHL-Series

Goatse · 09-17-2004, 07:00 PM

Neither. They will agree on some type of revenue sharing system (no cap) and both sides will claim victory.

Spunky · 09-17-2004, 07:03 PM

I think both sides will eventually lower their demands a bit as time goes on..they all know it is going to hurt the game in the long run

View Poll Results: NHL LOCKOUT POLL:who will cave in first?
PLAYERS	3	30.00%
OWNERS	7	70.00%
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll

09-17-2004, 08:01 AM	#1
neverlearn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Banners, FPA, HPA, FLASH, Illustration, Web Design, Print, posters, business cards, LOGOS ...ICQ 210-450-833 Posts: 2,085	Who will cave in first? NHL Players or NHL Owners? Discuss? __________________ DICK TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

09-17-2004, 08:03 AM	#2
Scott McD Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 67,795	Players. (i dont know shit about hockey) __________________ I Buy My High Quality Traffic Here, You Should Too!

09-17-2004, 08:06 AM	#4
Thrawn$ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mtl Posts: 4,596	players __________________ Tracking 202 \| Start Tracking PPC Campaigns Like A Pro

09-17-2004, 09:13 AM	#9
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	players...and owners as several franchises will go under imho...NHL hockey isn't viable anymore in its current form. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

09-17-2004, 08:04 AM	#3
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	OWNERS they usually lose out if a strike goes on to long (dont know shit about hockey either)

09-17-2004, 08:10 AM	#5
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	neither. this is going to be a long ass lockout. the players will give up major concessions this time - i doubt the NHL will get the hard salary cap they want but a soft cap they'll get. The NHLPA doesn't have a leg to stand on - it is obvious to everybody that hockey players are paid too much compared to their cousins in the NFL and the NBA who have TV contracts that are 10 times and more what the NHL has. NHL players make 75% of all revenues the league takes in - you don't see the union disputing that number because they know it's true. That's rape. It doesn't matter that the owners dug their own graves - the current deal is bad for the owners and the fans and the future of the sport, so it's got to be replaced by a new deal that protects the owners from themselves.

09-17-2004, 08:16 AM	#7
dodger21 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,680	Players. The owners have a 300 million dollar war chest built up exactly for this. The will still lose money if there is no season, but they will lose less money not playing then they would playing. Bettman is trying to break the union and I think he's going to be able to do it.

09-17-2004, 09:09 AM	#8
CoolE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 451	The players will eventually agree to a "salary cap" of some sort - or at least some provision that they are calling a salary cap now, but after they agree to it, they will say it isn't really a salary cap, they'll insist it is a "profit sharing provision" or something like that. In that sense the players will cave first and a deal will happen - eventually. Not that I give a shit. Major Junior Hockey suits me just fine.

09-17-2004, 09:20 AM	#10
Huggles GFY'S #1 retard Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 11,585	I once calculated the number of sales you would have to make every two weeks on topbucks to equal an average NHL player's salary. Lemme think what it was... I think it was roughly 3500 sales every two weeks for a year to make the same as the average NHL player. __________________ https://3-veo.com/ The best AI video maker portal.

09-17-2004, 09:25 AM	#11
Ramster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,447	Players will cave and DAMN WELL should. I love hockey. But for fuck sakes these guys are paid millions to pay a fuckin' game!! They are worried about the owners sharing revenue? The owners OWN the team, they should make lots of money. If the players were paid shit, ok complain but they are not, they are paid very good! When I worked a regular job could I go to the owner and say Hey you had a good year so I want you to double my pay. You're making too much money. __________________ Fcuk Cash - Backroom Casting Couch, ExCoGi, BlackAmbush DarkReach Cash - Top Pornstars & Sites Skype: robmurray999 Email: rob-at-paysitemanagers.com

09-17-2004, 09:32 AM	#12
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	The players will give in first, hopefully by January atleast.... Some players will rather salvage half their NHL salary compared to getting 1/20th of it playing in other leagues. Some players may not play the whole season even if it does come back though, I can see that happening. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

09-17-2004, 09:44 AM	#13
SkyRunner Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Standing in front of your door Posts: 269	Since a couple of NHL-Players are playing in Germany as long as the NHL-Season doesn't start, I hope they cancel the whole season But I actually don't care much about hockey at all I just like the "fight-mode" in EA Sports' NHL-Series __________________ TrafficHolder.com - Buy/Sell Adult Traffic

09-17-2004, 07:00 PM	#14
Goatse Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,086	Neither. They will agree on some type of revenue sharing system (no cap) and both sides will claim victory.

09-17-2004, 07:03 PM	#15
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,961	I think both sides will eventually lower their demands a bit as time goes on..they all know it is going to hurt the game in the long run __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*