12clicks

I wake up this morning and all across this board are posts from people complaining about sponsors.
Sponsors who cheat don't stay in business very long because they can't. Word of mouth does them in every time.

For every 1 cheating sponsor there are 10,000 cheating webmasters.
There are NO major sponsors shaving, cheating, not counting signups or whatever other scam you think they are running.
If you had any idea the hoops a porn program operator has to jump through to keep everyone happy, you'd stop envying them.
You want to see things run smoother with programs you are in?
Turn in the fucking cheating webmasters that kill it for everyone.

Bake

Hey Ron got your check today ,Thanks for airmail to mate yours is the first of last months checks to get here
Thanks Bake

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12clicks

wow, just getting last months checks now and you're happy?
there better be alot of good reasons to live down under to make up for slow ass mail.

jimmyf

12clicks did you pay sweetjimmy his $42.00?

Susan

Should go down well. Nice one Ronald.

If anyone thinks that's an exaggerated figure for the number of cheating webmasters then get your ass in the newsgroups and check out the spam.

Chris R

12 Clicks,

I stopped turning in cheaters for SIC, because Robert more or less claimed that they catch 100% of the cheaters 100% of the time.

Every time (that I recall) someone would post it to your boards over there - there would either be a no response or a "we already knew" response.

I find it hard to believe you catch ALL the cheaters - especially those running ftp download type scams and the like. I wish you would catch more of the cheaters - cause

I am paying for PPC advertising and can't stand the useless foreign traffic. Sometimes I suspect these people I see with their referal codes over and over, but there is no way for me to usually investigate - cause I usually can't match up referal code with website.

Also, your policy of not informing cheaters - hurts people like me who pay for this useless traffic in the end. I totally respect your company and they have always paid me on time, but it would be nice if there was some way that the advertisers did not have to take the brunt of the cheating exploits.

Just my 2 cents, since you seemed rather uppity (sp?) today

Bake

$1500.00 US dollars is above average wage here and the Aussie dollar is still only buying 52 US cents so I can wait.At least you Air mail your checks Thankyou.
Bake

Tam

BRAVO........ well said 12clicks..... and the cheater you report? That one may have already been caught but maybe the next one hasn't. Never ASSUME they have been caught, turn them in anyways.... that's what I do.

I run DialerHeaven and used to work for WebmasterCommerce, we have and had people always telling us, so and so is using the word free, no matter how many people had told us about this particular cheater before, we always say thank you and we will look into it, or thank you, we caught that one but appreciate the help.

I bust my ass to keep everyone happy at all times but a very dear friend of mine recently told me there is no way you are going to make everyone happy all the time...... so I took that to heart and I sleep a little better at night now.

Tam

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12clicks

Chris R,

Standard Internet *DOES* catch 100% of our cheaters (well, maybe 99.9%)
Of course, no one spends the time chasing them that we do so if you continue to turn them in, it will be a big help to the industry as a whole.
As far as your comment about PPC and our policies hurting you, this is not true. Without going into great detail, fraudulant traffic doesn't reach our search partners (perhaps the odd click but not enough to speak of)
We are in constant contact with the fraud divisions of all the search programs we work with, tweaking what we do.
If we were sending bad traffic to them, we'd be cut off just like any other affiliate.
Just because we send 100,000s of searches a day, does not mean a partner will pay for fraudulant clicks.


Jimmyf, of course not. He violated our terms.

Sweet Jesus

what terms where those?

Gemini

Want more webmasters to turn cheating ones? Ever thought of paying the reporting webmaster the $$ the cheater has in his account ot if there is nothing there, a $10 one time for the bit of time to try and verify the cheater IS in fact cheating and emailing it in? Just a stray thought.

Chris R

12 clicks,

Ok - well I feel a little better. I get more PPC traffic from TurboFind than anyone else (used to be dogpile).

I still wish these PPCs would get rid of foreign traffic. At least kanoodle gives me an option to opt out of search cactus crap.

Chris R

Gemini,

If they did that - the cheaters would have a field day. One cheating team of "honest cheater" would turn in the "dishonest cheater".

Remember cheaters - cheat, so they would cheat that too.

Sweet Jesus

12clicks you will reap what you sow

12clicks

um, I'm pretty sure the harvest is in.

CDSmith

Ya, and the real Jesus would've already known that.

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12clicks

is this the 7th sign? http://www.12clicks.com/12chaps.jpg

Sweet Jesus

the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast. Its kingdom was plunged into darkness, and people bit their tongue in pain

http://www.cadence.net/marketing/abo...ton_herald.asp

Sweet Jesus

even you can be saved 12clicks,

write your good deeds in the book of life while there is time.

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Gemini

The sponsors generally know who the honest webmasters are for a payout for turning a cheater in.

Tam

I would think that the payout for turning a cheater in would be knowing that the sponsor you use is solid and doesn't have to make all of us pay when the cheaters take advantage. Like when people steal from a store, who pays for that? WE do....... same should apply here..... so I would think you ARE getting paid by helping the sponsor keep things clean and cheat free......... maybe not in $$$ but when the sponsor can surpass and withstand the cheaters and not let them bury them, then you can use that sponsor for a lot longer.

I am understanding ALOT more of why Sponsors are as hardass about cheating and their TOS, working as closely as I have been, it's making a bit more sense to me.

Tam

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12clicks

how do you place a dollar figure on my gratitude?
even if the guy is already caught, I remember the guys who send them too me on a regular basis.

Heinz

Maybe you could have a look in to the Hall of Shame. There are 10 cheating webmasters, 3 spamming sponsors - and 2 cheating sponsors. Looks for me more like 1:5 instead 1:10000.
The truth is: there are stealing police officers, lying judges and raping priests. And I doubt that a cheat will be a honest man or woman, only because he started a biz as sponsor in the adult industry.
Another thing is: for a lot of cheating, the sponsors are responsible. There are click-thru-sponsors, who accept cheating as long as this traffic converts well. And there are exit-traffic-sponsors, who accept any kind of traffic, it doesn't matter if the cheater steals the traffic from a tgp, if the cheater steals from a hacked site or even from a hacked server.
This doesn't mean that there are not a lot of cheating webmasters out there. But this cheating game has a lot of players.

12clicks

all depends on what you're looking at.

Heinz

Most time of the day I look at girls, but I'm sure that's not the theme.

I forgot: this was my first post, and because 12clicks doesn't know my account:
Go fuck yourself

And I find this morning a nice gfy joke: http://realamateurs4free.com/Main.html

vegasdude

im in a bitching mode today so watch out

90% of all sponsors shave... thats COMMON knowledge babe [12clicks] especially the sponsors offering trials at 2 bucks....

but hey we all need to make money rite.... Im glad as long as the shaving is not over 10%!

Rgds
Vegasdude

12clicks

Another internet guru.

How do you come by this common knowledge?

CDSmith

The Lord sayeth: "All things in moderation, even me"
Methinks you are obsessed with this shitteth. Thou surely needst a checkup from the neck up

Buddrow, you have any clue how many times I've heard that statement? It's nothing new to hear you spew it here, but what WOULD be new is to have someone, ANYONE supply concrete proof that any of the sponsors I'm currently promoting are shaving anything other than thei face, or in 12click's case... their legs

I believe that it's mostly webmasters that don't know what the hell they're doing that are bringing the old "shaving" accusation to the boards, and that's ALL it is.... an empty accusation. You think I haven't tested my link productivity in various ways? duhhh
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"Want more webmasters to turn cheating ones? Ever thought of paying the reporting webmaster the $$ the cheater has in his account ot if there is nothing there, a $10 one time for the bit of time to try and verify the cheater IS in fact cheating and emailing it in? Just a stray thought."
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12clicks

Rose is always working for the man.

Techie Media

And since you don't run any sponsor program yourself, Just what exactly are you basing this statement on???

"Common Knowledge" Just what exactly is that??? Seems to me that your common knowledge is nothing but you own opinion??


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JakeR

From the various boards, I've seen so many posts bashing on 12clicks.. "I didn't cheat" "he cheated me" "12clicks is the cheater!" etc etc. and 12clicks responds with his own "egotistical" way (as some put it)

Personally I think that's great. Why show sympathy for cheaters?

They cheated, that could be money out of the sponsor's pocket, so hey, he has the right to be the biggest dick towards that person. After reading some of the '12clicks' threads, how many cheaters are going to try to cheat him?

I've read a lot of people sympathize for the cheaters that have been caught by 12clicks. Why? They're probably cheaters too.

I say "fuck 'em!"

Just my 2 cents.

[Labret]

I cant even believe this topic is even being discussed.

CD, you have to be dumber than you fucking look. Proof of shaving? Have you been doing this for two months? Your about as qualified to discuss this topic as Ronald is to discussing webmaster ethics.

Shut up and go back to posting your galleries and keep your head far enough up your own ass that you actually believe the ignorant shit you chatter about.

And the best comment of the post HAS to be from Ronald of course.

BWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Proof that Ron gets his hands on the good drugs.

How many of you motards haven't been taken in one form or another in your glorious career of gallery making? We ALL know someone who has been ripped off, and not that I think any of you believe Ronald (except for his ass buddy cdsmith), but 90% of you are not the thieves that Ronald would have you all believe.

Bitches.

OxKris

I have a novel way of determing in a sponsor is shaving your clicks. First you open up your sponsor's stats page. Next you click on a link to that sponsor. Then go refresh your stats page. If you have too many hits per second going to this sponsor that make this work, sign up a different account and then do it. You can always wip out that credit card and do the same with signups!
Bitching when it is valid is an important thing, it alerts other webmasters about bad business. Of course, you should do them the favor of letting them know when your sponsor is getting 4 signups off of 600 raw clicks ;-)

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vegasdude

"12chicks" and the rest!

yeah im in a bitching mode [might be my piercing irritating my eye... who knows

I might not be running an adult sponsorprogram (or maybee i do) and I do not say all shave but a lot do! [90% might be a little to high...]

I don't have the proof black on white if thats what you want.... sorry

But I have both worked with adult and non adult companies and know quite a few people working in the biz and some of them would not be around if they did not shave in these not so good day$$$

even tradedoubler.com shaves and they are respected in the non adult world!

Not all shave...
Not all play fair...

yeah yeah i know... bring the proofs Well let me see all your coding

I just wanted to let you all know my 2 cents and hopefully someone will have a laugh or maybee even learn something (learn to ignore typos )

can't prove a damn thing (well I have to join every sponsor program there is out there to prove it)

but I have learned one thing.... and thats to smell a shaver before its to late!

now go make $$$$
Vegasdude

CDSmith

I was wondering when you'd slither on in here and start your kuckola. Thanks for not disappionting me bro

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CDSmith

heh heh heh. I obviously hit your "idiot nerve"

heh heh heh. Truth hurts eh rat? Hee hee. You kill me.

So, what now? Do we meet and throw on the 12 oz'ers or do we go bare-knuckles?

Hmmm, I think I'll add in here.... Rat, you are really sounding tired, disgusted and downright pissy about everything to do with the conversations on these boards. If you're making the kind of loot you say you are, how come you just don'a-worry-be-happy?? Did you not get to Vegas? Me neither, I stayed home and updated. Should I ask BP if any of the Bone-babes can come rub your wallet for you? C'mon man, you can do better that that lame-ass comeback you just made. Stupid? Me? The only stupid thing I did today was waste a few minutes typing a post with your name in it. How many stupid things did you do today? (and how many have you yet to do?)
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[Labret]

Bare.

12clicks

Labret,
anyone following your posting style would conclude that you've been caught cheating by at least me and most likely more than me.

It takes more than a made up screen name and a made up internet business to have credibility here. but hey, keep trying.


Vegaschick, if you find fault with so many sponsors, start your own program, you'll make a fortune by being the only honest guy in the biz.

[Labret]

Your only pissed cause there is one webmaster out there you havent ripped off. That one being me. I been watching your antics since 96 snot bubble.

Credibility on GFY? AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH What does that consist of? These Jerry's Kids follow some FAS baby in Portland. They are not my peers. Your the only I know here obsessed with credibility. You think I really give a rats ass what these tgp wonderkids think of me? riiiiiight. You dont have credibility Ronnie, you have "notoriety", and you know why that is. No, not for the bus station incident in Fresno.

Funny thing is Ronald McDonald... you know me. So I have decided to go anon, so?

I love you Ronald. *smooch*


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Theo

i'm close to 1000th post, i'm thinking as a quote "None sponsor shaves"

CDSmith

Snot Bubble?? BWAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAHAAHAA

I tole you, don'a you e'er try to fuck me Tony....

Lab Rat, you're killing me.

So, in your feebleminded world you see the GFY bbs's as consisting of King Lens, Daddy 12clicks, and a multitude of bonephone followers? (and wannabes?)

I can live with that...but where do I fit in? And before you answer, know that I made it to full time webmaster long before I ever met anyone on this or any other webmaster board. (except for Mike from Boneprone and Angelie, and a few other key people...none of whom are/were you)

You seem to think that 90$ of the webmasters here are insignificant dweeblets, yet I know of at least 50 or 60 that are full timers that make a decent living from porn. We may not be half-milliionaires like you, but we pay the bills and have money left over at the end of the month as opposed to month left over and no money.

Say something positive and encouraging Lab Rat, or so fucking help me if I ever see you at an enternext I'll squeeze the juice out of your emtpy cranium. Don't be a punk. C'mon, anyone that can rake in half a mill in one year must have...... what?
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Dirtypainter

ahhh the art of sponsor bashing. when some have nothing better to do than go around and try and make a name for themselves.

Yes sponsors make mistakes, webmasters make mistakes. when they work together everything works out in the end.

Nobody wins in cheating as all creditabilty is lost. Shaving is cheating so whoever shaves cheats and lose creditabilty.

The one thing I love the most is people forget this is the internet and it is not a perfect world. ever heard of lost packets??
Your clicks could be one of them wayward packets. or the click happen right at the moment a server reset. nothing is perfect. But all in all I believe most sponsors are on the up and up.

Some people are just not happy with nothing.

just some advice here. Ifd you like your sponsors that you have now stick with them. if not move on. There is always other ways to earn your money in this Biz.

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mischief

my nuts itch.

Theo

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boneprone, you picked the quote of board gave it to you?

boneprone

you may have crabs?

mischief

I think I was sittng too close to you in this thread.