Who did the programming for davidlace.com

[ounique]

Hi,

Does anyone know who did the programming on Davidlace.com. If so please email me at [email protected]

Thanks
Jeff

[Susan]

Why not ask them

http://hc2.humanclick.com/hc/24483028/?cmd=file&file=visitorWantsToChat&site=24483028&by href=1

[ldinternet]

It was a German company, that I am sure of. Take a look at some of the links - written in German.



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[Chris R]

His site is done very well. I really like your content ounique, but I only saw it recently. His site was real easy to use, so is ZIPs. I think if you had the zip type downloads you would do great - at least you'd have some of my business - which isn't much

I was wondering who did his site as well - as a friend of mine is looking for something like that in another business, but it looks like it probably cost a fortune - and he isn't rich.

I did have problems with his credit card provider - they rejected me - it even asked for the cvv2. I had to pay by online check.

Also, his site goes back to the start when you put something in your cart AND you can't leave it in there for later if you buy something.

Zip was even easier to use, but they don't have nearly the selection you and lace do.

Just my 2 cents...

[MrBrian]

if you are talking about their members area, you dont have enough money and neither did i ...

[ldinternet]

You see, I share my financial situation with MrBrian.

Looks like ounique has been trying to find the answer for quite a while.
http://www.google.com/search?q=davidlace.com+designed

[DamageX]

If you're interested in getting QUALITY design for LOW prices, e-mail me or hit me up on ICQ (both in my profile) and tell me what you need. I'll most certainly get you a GOOD deal within a couple of days.

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[Chris R]

I would guess they spent $150,000 - $200,000 on it. It is pretty well done, and I know people that would charge that much.

I am looking more in the $15.00 - $20.00 range - which is why I do my own websites, but luckily he had content for that much - so I bought some...

[RedShoe]

Originally posted by Chris R:
I am looking more in the $15.00 - $20.00 range - which is why I do my own websites, but luckily he had content for that much - so I bought some...

LOL. Me too.


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[magnatique]

brian, ounique is somewhat big

[Rivux]

He spent 150k on that site? What kind of crack smoking daze was he in? That site is not worth anything more then 10-20k if you are lucky. What a sham.

[Chris R]

I am guessing what he paid, based on what I know some sites cost. His back end is pretty nice - (no smart ass comments). If you can make a website like that for $20,000 - you would be able to get tons of customers. I would not be suprised at all if he paid over 100 grand. I know people that would charge that much - and more.

I know a big company that just paid $250,000 for their shopping cart, and guess what - it doesn't work in anything but internet explorer - why, because the designers never tested it in netscape or anything else.

The vast majority of people doing programming of this nature do not understand business and vice versa. It is not only that company, but several others, including some big ones - that have shopping carts that do not work correctly a large percentage of time. People that design websites, for the most part are intelligent people. Unfortunately - they design it with themselves in mind.

Many people have problems using websites. Why do you think terms like "hotmail", "ebay" and "yahoo" are in the top 20 searched for terms. People do not understand where to type in urls.

A large percentage of ecommerce is from AOL users - one survey (granted it was an AOL one - say 38%). How many web designers test their site in AOL? How many know how it looks when AOL pops up? Have any complex Java Script - if it causes one single freaking error - it comes up with a popup in AOL. Pop behinds - they don't work in AOL. I told a sponsor for a dating site about this, they had no clue, but were nice enough to fix it for me.

Getting everything to work together smoothly is not easy or cheap. I can't say for sure his does, but it appears very well designed to me. I did not look into it in depth, but it was my first impression upon looking at the site. I was impressed, and most websites out there do not impress me.

His affiliate program alone - tons of people would charge 10k - 20k just for that.

I am not saying they should, but they do - and as someone who has consulted with a company that charges much more than that for sites - I can tell you he would have gotten a steal at 20k. It is just not worth the time of most companies to put together proposals for less than 10k.

The company I worked with - they started out small, but it became just as much work to put together small proposals as it did big ones.

I only worked on the side for them, but I know what they bid for certain projects and know what other people bid on those projects. My guess is - if you picked design firms that could handle that kind of stuff - he would be getting bids between 100 - 250k.

And half the time - they wouldn't work right after shelling out that much.

[DamageX]

Ahem... Many firms have A LOT of over-paid programmers/designers. A designe/programmer is not necessarily good just because he gets paid a lot. Same with firms. Just 'cause they had a few breaks and designed something that later grew big, thanks to the marketing skills of the firm ordering the job, doesn't necessarily make that firm GOOD. Ok, maybe good, but not EXCELLENT. I know people who would design/program any kind of site for 50%-75% TOPS of any top firm's price and could outbid any design firm. They just haven't caught any breaks yet and they're not known. That's the reality folks.

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[Chris R]

There are a bunch of great programmers on the net - I have been amazed at some of the scripts these people just "throw" together.

I don't think most of them realize how good their products are. The guy who makes AXS also makes a great search engine (well pretty darn good) and he says that he works at burgerking. I am not 100% sure he was serious, but I think he was. I know that if he was subcontracting for a company they would pay 10k for it easily and he gives it away for $35 and lets you use it for free with his copyright.

Unfortunately - you need firms many times as some of these programmers (at least the ones I have worked with) are not good with clients.

We worked on a job very similar to a job we were bidding on, but with some differences. When asked if we had done something like that - the programmer was in the room and we lost the account, because he took it literally and just said "no". We tried to explain, but they were already ticked off at something else and we lost the account.

I think the vast majority of the world is incompetent. And that is true no matter what field you are in. Unfortunately, the way a lot of business is done has nothing to do with profits, and most people - even in firms do not realize that.

90% of the timme the people giving you the money want to look good to their boss. It is not their money, nor their bosses money. Find out what they want and give it to them. Does it take 60 seconds for a page to load on dialup? Yes. DO we explain that? Yes. Do they care? No, some of the time - you could make a flashy site and they would be happy.

Will it do well? No, but they are happy - and that is all that matters. You would think people would begin to realize that there is a reason that Amazon, Yahoo, eBay, and the big boys are pretty much plain html on the outside, but they don't.

Just my 2 cents. I agree with pretty much everything you said. I guess it is kind of like acting. There are plenty of good actors and actresses out there, but most of the time - you need a break or need to know someone.

At least that isn't the case with selling porn

[DamageX]

Originally posted by Chris R:
There are a bunch of great programmers on the net - I have been amazed at some of the scripts these people just "throw" together.

I don't think most of them realize how good their products are. The guy who makes AXS also makes a great search engine (well pretty darn good) and he says that he works at burgerking. I am not 100% sure he was serious, but I think he was. I know that if he was subcontracting for a company they would pay 10k for it easily and he gives it away for $35 and lets you use it for free with his copyright.

Unfortunately - you need firms many times as some of these programmers (at least the ones I have worked with) are not good with clients.

We worked on a job very similar to a job we were bidding on, but with some differences. When asked if we had done something like that - the programmer was in the room and we lost the account, because he took it literally and just said "no". We tried to explain, but they were already ticked off at something else and we lost the account.

I think the vast majority of the world is incompetent. And that is true no matter what field you are in. Unfortunately, the way a lot of business is done has nothing to do with profits, and most people - even in firms do not realize that.

90% of the timme the people giving you the money want to look good to their boss. It is not their money, nor their bosses money. Find out what they want and give it to them. Does it take 60 seconds for a page to load on dialup? Yes. DO we explain that? Yes. Do they care? No, some of the time - you could make a flashy site and they would be happy.

Will it do well? No, but they are happy - and that is all that matters. You would think people would begin to realize that there is a reason that Amazon, Yahoo, eBay, and the big boys are pretty much plain html on the outside, but they don't.

Just my 2 cents. I agree with pretty much everything you said. I guess it is kind of like acting. There are plenty of good actors and actresses out there, but most of the time - you need a break or need to know someone.

At least that isn't the case with selling porn

AMEN!


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[DamageX]

Chris R

You sound like a stable guy, are you any good at selling? 'Cause I can get you a shitload of skilled professionals. Hit me up on ICQ or e-mail me, we'll work something out.

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[ToyBoys]

Brian is right, I am pretty sure it was a very big german company




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[Mike CSpot]

Thanks a lot for all the positive feedback on the site.

We, Coolspot AG / Coolspot USA Inc., are a pretty big company providing Europe's biggest age verification system program as well as Europe's partnership program and some nice webmaster technologies.

If you like David Lace's content shop you have to take a look at
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I will do some changes to the admin part and add some more features.

But right now the Gallery Plugins' most notable features are:

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* Multiple Languages !!!
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* Plus the usual suspects: Daily updates, 150.000+ David Lace images, competitive rates ... and my personal support )) [already worth 5k per month]

* Tons of more features...
(I just got back from San Diego where I had a couple of important meetings. Damn tired now.)


Check it out:
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... if you have any questions just fire an email to [email protected] ... or gimme a call on my cell at 702 - 241 - 6894 ... !


Mike

[jimmyf]

Chris R your right about most of these big design company's.

As to davidlace web page I wonder if anyone bother to check it with Netscape.

I did and it locks up NetScape.
I have to hit Ctrl Alt Del to get out.

This same kind of stuff has been going on in the software business from day one.
They just do not know how or will take the time to DEBUG.

One of the golden rules when doing any software THE PROGRAMER DOES NOT DO THE FINAL DEBUGGING.

Check it out: With Netscape http://www.lacegalleries.com

Hell I have some piss'ie little free porn site and I use Netscape but I at least check'em with IE.

If I was davidlace I'd some kind of up-set.


Jim

[Chris R]

Damage X,

Thanks for the comments. The business I was consulting for is actually moving more towards patent research and less towards web design (I know that seems weird, but opportunities arise). It seems in our area that more and more companies are hesitant to put forth the big bucks for websites. Also, their biggest client is trying to not pay them - well lets just say its enough money to keep several people hired for the year.

I don't think anyone has called me stable before