No black muslims do not like stereotypical anglo saxon ideals of their superiority, their history with other races including India, aboriginals in australia, Africans in Africa or American Indians in America, thus the "White Devil" talk. They also think the culture does not have high values on society and its betterment.

Here is food for thought though and I only say this because it is interesting when you think of it.

A white supremacist believes that a whole blood line can be degregated by crossing with a black, mexican, arab and for some Italians since they are partly an African race. In genetics you have dominant and recessive traits. A SUPREMACIST then says that black dna is superior to white dna because it can destroy a white blood line. Likewise the offspring of a white and black result in a black child. Not saying anything by this just trying to charge your logic up. On a census it says black, white, asian, american indian, other and get this Hispanic non white and Hispanic non black. This means that the hispanic race can not be degregated by mixing with any other race...... Think about what this says.

jade_dragon

and what poll did you do to say that so strongly.

and i guess the most muslims that you spoke about are american and living a non-religious life which considers as a sin.

and i can't agree with you cause in most cases today in any place in the world the wars and terrorism is controlled by muslims. i can give you many examples for it.

i never said that all muslims are radical, but on the other hand why do you even say the word radical, i never said anything about radical... the issue is islam as it is. not the bullshit american islam.

where ever there muslims there's trouble, mark my word

Canada, Europe in 10-20 years from now will be so different, that is if the europeans will understand in time what mistake they did by being oil whores, and how they gave freedom to millions of muslims which will make em pay.

bottom line again: in every country that is controlled by muslims the ppl suffer, and you won't change that fact.

i stick to my belief that as usual politics, religion and nationality are too sensitive issues

who said anything about theory I simply find a logical counter to things you say :thumbsup

BTW do not think that I dislike you or anything because of this, it is not at all personal, you have your way of looking at things and I have mine. Hopefully anything I say you think about and see if it opens doors of throught for you the same I do for what you say, if not ignore it but never take it as an attack.

I am not offended or anything, even not by the names that ppl here are calling me, i enjoy having an intelegent conversation with anyone that is civilized and has brains :)

So Fucking Right!!!!

Noone can be certain of what lies outside the universe. But that doesn't make the question of 'who created god' any more relevant. Since God is outslde the universe, it is a question that simply can't be answered.

We DO know that life exists, however, and it exists WITHIN time. Therefore, the question of its origin is one that CAN be asked and answered.

What does it mean to 'come into existence'? To come into existence means to have a beginning. You can't have a beginning without time.

Keep tryin', Josey-girl

sarcasm?

OK,
Just let the Russians get hold of you.

No I see muslims here in America that are not of Arab decent, not so much bullshit but in a differant light because of the origins. This being said I base my stuff on what muslims with high intelligence have said on television and also to me in my debates and questioning of them, those individuals were in Europe, asia, the middle east and Africa.

I use a lot of what is called "high logic" when looking at things. I look at those shooting the most on media as not representing most of the people because so far 9/10 people who scream the loudest usually do not talk for the most intelligent or informed nor the masses effectively.

You never said radical muslim but that means that I do not think you particularly know to seperate muslims and radical muslims. This is why i posted the definition of radical. The ideal was for you to understand that there is a differance between muslims who believe that life should be lived 100% by what was written damn near in pre-history and those who believe that the lessons taught need to be progressive and there needs to be a coexistance with others on the planet. This is why you have Arabs council, this is why you have Arabs on boards in the UN, this is why you have people who are arab looking for peace and unity. You SHOULD be saying radical and people should be trying to see a differance in them and not grouping them together but that seems to be the way of america, canada and some of europe

every:

jew = scammer
black = criminal
asian = sneaky
french = pussy
german = nazi
canadian = pacifist


It does seem that countries that are more radical muslim than progressive do fall behind other countries that tend to progress their religions. Cause in effect is not to far off of a line of throught on that so I can side with you there.

I do fear that it is all or nothing in the elimination of the radical muslim, if one believes that it is better to die and take others with you than to live in peace and harmony then it is a necessary evil that you be nutralized as you are a threat to the greater good of human existance.

Here is a question that perhaps can not be truly answered. Before our history of using their oil and their men against our enemies what were these muslims thinking? Looking back, let's say 50 years ago do you think they were trying to breed so that in the here and now they could overthrow the whole world? How many of them do you think they will need to do such or when do you think they feel they will have enough numbers to give it a try. If they truly think that Allah will lead them against these odds, when do you think they will unleash their godly wrath upon the world, or is it that as time goes on more and more people get away from radical muslim ideas and more into progressive muslim or western ideals and abandon the thought of genocidal war.

Time is a relative term, it exists in its "purest" form only to man and in its natural form in nature (well of course haha)

Time began when man created it. The thing they measure existed before man was here most likely but time itself began when man as a majority decided to give it a system of measure.

Like you said what we do know is that we live and that there is a measure called time based on solar events.

What we do not know is the exact and unfallible truth about when nature began, its origin and the extent to which the "box" we call space stretches.

I had an interesting point brought to me some time ago which goes with the "Man made gods, gods did not make man" idea. Think if the human spirit had enough energy when brought together with the same beliefs to actually birth a form of energy. That energy would then feed upon the beliefs and energies of those people. This would take the man made god argument out of the mental and into the meta-physical. This was based on how humans when together can create energy in the form of body heat , noise and bio-electrical energy.

Yes, and not more books published in the whole muslim world in 1000 years than in Spain in one year!
What a future!

I think ppl see jews like cheap ppl, not scammers

Arabs and Armenians are scammers :Graucho

well cheap is part of it but most people are not mad that a Jewish person may be tight with money but that they will try to low ball you on a deal and also try to sell you things that may or may not be what they claim and want higher than normal. IE the racial term JEW you on a deal.

I don't know how many Canadians you've met, but noone I know subscribes to those stereotypes.

You lookin' for a smack? :Graucho

I guess! But did you ever hear our famous expression: "You Know you're Armenian when, you buy from a Jew and you sell it to a Greek and still make a alot of profit!" :1orglaugh

jade_dragon - only time will tell and we will see

i think that religions are the seed of all wars and hate in the world, and the islam is the most extreme from all and the only one today that encourage killing innocent folks.

as you said that i didn't ran a poll or something, i can say the exact same thing to you, i lived in an islamic region for over 20 years, i've learned abit on who are they.

I agree with your last post 100%

My candian female friends are gorgeous and my canadian male friends are some of the best people I know. They are less prone to violence than most of my american friends and that is a good thing. :thumbsup

I guess this is 1 300 000 000 muslims too much :Graucho

How do you know time doesn't exist outside of the universe?

In fact, how do you know if ANYTHING exists outside of the universe or even if there IS anything beyond our universe?

Face it booby, you don't know shit. You're speculating on the basis of some 2000 year old mumbo jumbo.

You have no argument, just a bunch of ancient fairy tales.

I answered that question earlier. WAKE UP, Josey. Here's what I said:

Noone can be certain of what lies outside the universe. But that doesn't make the question of 'who created god' any more relevant. Since God is outslde the universe, it is a question that simply can't be answered.

We DO know that life exists, however, and it exists WITHIN time. Therefore, the question of its origin is one that CAN be asked and answered.

How do you know God is outside of the universe?

Aw! You can do better than that, Josey-girl.

Two possibilities:

Possibility 1: The universe sprung into existence by itself.
Possibility 2: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Possibility 2 is is far more likely than Possibility 1.

Which ever side your on, your poor soul will suffer the same price. believe in karma. :winkwink:

1.5 billion Christians. Just as bad.

If God created the universe, he would have had to be outside it. A creator can't be part of his creation.

In your opinion, booby boy.

I find the option that the universe was born via naturalistic means to be far more likely. After all, there is no evidence of the supernatural.

The problem of how God came to exist is too great.

Well said.

2 BILLION

You're assuming God created the universe. It's always God by your definition isn't it?

Seems like your beliefs rest on assumption after assumption after assumption.

Please state the source of your figures.

Like there is evidence for the other option

Yes, there is plenty of evidence for the natural world.

Take a look around you , idiot!

:1orglaugh

I meant this one Possibility 1: The universe sprung into existence by itself.

And no, I´m not going to call you names...

I was looking in my Koran which has an old Swedish translation. This part looks very different in my version:
[3.85] Regarding those who are faithless and die faithless, shall the earth full of gold never be recieved for any of them, if he wanted to buy his freedom that way; Yes, for those wit a painful punishment and there will be no redemption.

Basically what it says is: Those with faith will come to paradise, those without faith will go to hell.

The version I got don't contain the word Islam, and it shouldn't since the religon got it's name long after the books were written. Islam roughly means "surrender to god" btw

I think one should be careful to judge the books based on translations that might be biased. When the Swedish church released the latest translation of the bible they went back as far as they could to get as accurate meaning as possible. The result was a bible that differs ALOT from the previous one. The language is much more realistic.

That's because it fits in with your atheistic world view. God didn't come into existence, BTW. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE

1 Corinthians 13:9-10
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears