How Does Pro (fake) Wrestling Work ?

[mahoney]

How Does Pro (fake) Wrestling Work ? Ok So we all know it's fake but how do they decide the winner ? How do they decide who has a Career and who doesn't ?

I know it has alot to do with your promoter and Image etc but so does every other business. I think WWF is so fucking Gay but I'm always amazed at the amount of people that pay to watch this crap Who is your favorite pro wrestler. I gotta go with Rowdy Roddy Piper

[polish_aristocrat]

I was a big WWF fan when I was 13-17 :D

[Drunken Sam]

it's 3d theater for people who don't want to watch the even more gay theater

[emmanuelle]

We run an indy wrestling fed, and I can assure you that the only thing 'fake' is the fact that it's scripted. Those guys work hard, train hard and in my personal opinion are insane!


Here's What We Do

[Quotealex]

It's WWE now not WWF.

[Yo Adrian]

I have absolutely no idea, but know a guy that does... brb

[Varius]

Based on current WWE, here's my thoughts:

Who gets pushed:
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1 - Young guys they think have 'the package': technical skills, charisma, looks, mic skills. Often one may be missing, so they just try to develop it or cover it up (ie. Rock had great mic skills, but not so great technical skills).

2 - Homegrown talent. When WWE took over WCW and ECW, they pushed a lot of their own guys over the stars of their former competition.

3 - Loyal talent. Guys who have 'paid their dues' or have been with the fed a LONG time (see: Undertaker, JBL).

4 - Big men / monsters. According to rumors, Vince McMahon has a hard-on for big guys.

5 - Guys so popular with the fans, you have to push them. Rey Mysterio, John Cena, Eddie Guerrerro (not saying they wouldnt be pushed on skill, but without their popularity they prob would be at a much lower position right now).

I can't catch any WWE shows on satellite or cable in Costa Rica, so not too sure about the latest talent...but of the last shows I saw, my fave guys were Randy Orton, Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle.


Old-school, it's Randy Savage, Mr.Perfect (RIP) and Comet Kid.

[Varius]

Originally posted by emmanuelle
We run an indy wrestling fed, and I can assure you that the only thing 'fake' is the fact that it's scripted. Those guys work hard, train hard and in my personal opinion are insane!


Here's What We Do

Hopefully you'll have a show during my Montreal visit? I'm coming sept 23 - Oct 11 and love the IWS shows

[mrgica]

I can't believe why are people watching that????

[Deepai]

Yea Nothing is fake. Its choreographed, but nothing is fake. Its still a toll on your body. The way it works is that the writers/owners write up scripts, just like in a soap opera. Usually is a wrestler isnt getting any reaction, he is written off, or changed characters or what not. Some have great charisma, and therefore are sort of shoe ins to be pushed to the top. The Rock for instance. Its not complicated. Oh yea, and I used to be a huge mark, till about 2-3 years ago.

[garett]

I used to watch wrestling a lot when I was kid .. then grew out of it. But recently I've been so bored on Thursday nights (have to stay home for the kids while mom works) I've had nothing else to do but watch smackdown.

It's actually midly entertaining. And about it being fake .. of course we all know it's pre-determined.. but those guys really do go at it pretty hard. There's a documentary I watched a while ago called 'Beyond The Mat' .. it profiles wrestling in general, both amateur and pro ... it was pretty interesting. Revealed a lot of things I didn't know.

[SCtyger]

yes the outcome is scripted...

but you cant take away the fact: they are Extreme Atheletes.

body slammed 2-stories onto a table? that's anything but fake.


as far as who gets what? it all depends on personality. some wrestlers have it... and appeal to the fan-base more than others.

Stone Cold .. for one... as well as the Rock.

Every wrestler that is any kind of wrestler will have a signature move.. if they dont... then they havent made it big yet.

The Stonecold Stunner, The People's Elbow .. ahahha

it's pure entertainment ... b'cuz everything is overexaggerated.

[Varius]

Originally posted by Deepai
Yea Nothing is fake. Its choreographed, but nothing is fake. Its still a toll on your body. The way it works is that the writers/owners write up scripts, just like in a soap opera. Usually is a wrestler isnt getting any reaction, he is written off, or changed characters or what not. Some have great charisma, and therefore are sort of shoe ins to be pushed to the top. The Rock for instance. Its not complicated. Oh yea, and I used to be a huge mark, till about 2-3 years ago.

Exactly. The performers still have to be in awesome shape, still risk injuries all the time, etc....

As for the Rock, he wasn't very popular at all until they tried painting him as a bad guy. As the 'blue chipper' Rocky Maivia, all he got was 'Die Rocky Die' chants because he was so flavorless and boring.

Once he became a 'bad guy', started speaking more and feuded with Degeneration-X, then he became 'The Rock'.

[Manowar]

wrestling is fucking hilarious

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally posted by Varius
Mr.Perfect (RIP)

what happened?

[SCtyger]

oooh somebody's got to have the clip where Sid Justice jumps from the Top-Ropes and snaps his leg in 2.

[Varius]

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat


what happened?

I believe he died from OD'ing, perhaps on Cocaine if I remember right.

Could have been painkillers or something else though...

[Vitasoy]

Bret The Hitman Hart. I also liked owen... RIP

[mahoney]

Ok some of you are saying it's not fake so does that mean the winner isn't decided in advance ?

[Scott McD]

Originally posted by mahoney
Ok some of you are saying it's not fake so does that mean the winner isn't decided in advance ?

Those people are dumb. Don't listen to them...

[Vitasoy]

Originally posted by mahoney
Ok some of you are saying it's not fake so does that mean the winner isn't decided in advance ?

It's obviously scripted. The winner is determined in advanced. I have no idea how they decide the winner each time though. Vince himself said all winners are decided in advanced. on OTR (off the record)

[Scott McD]

Originally posted by SCtyger
oooh somebody's got to have the clip where Sid Justice jumps from the Top-Ropes and snaps his leg in 2.

Oh yeah i had that.

I'll have a look...

[emmanuelle]

Originally posted by Varius
Hopefully you'll have a show during my Montreal visit? I'm coming sept 23 - Oct 11 and love the IWS shows

Our next show is Sept 25th at Unison.
I'm not sure if we'll be having any special guests for that one or not, but Sid Vicious is due back sometime soon. I'll post again once I know whether or not it will be this next show.

That man is literally insane!

[Varius]

Originally posted by emmanuelle
Our next show is Sept 25th at Unison.
I'm not sure if we'll be having any special guests for that one or not, but Sid Vicious is due back sometime soon. I'll post again once I know whether or not it will be this next show.

That man is literally insane!

Hopefully in a good way and not a cokehead Carl XL Leduc way

[mahoney]

Originally posted by Vitasoy
It's obviously scripted. The winner is determined in advanced. I have no idea how they decide the winner each time though. Vince himself said all winners are decided in advanced. on OTR (off the record)

Thats Strange. This is Why The Terrorists hate us

[emmanuelle]

Originally posted by emmanuelle
Our next show is Sept 25th at Unison.
I'm not sure if we'll be having any special guests for that one or not, but Sid Vicious is due back sometime soon. I'll post again once I know whether or not it will be this next show.

That man is literally insane!

More likely he's taken too many bumps to the head

[psyko514]

Originally posted by Varius
Based on current WWE, here's my thoughts:

Who gets pushed:
------------------------
1 - Young guys they think have 'the package': technical skills, charisma, looks, mic skills. Often one may be missing, so they just try to develop it or cover it up (ie. Rock had great mic skills, but not so great technical skills).

2 - Homegrown talent. When WWE took over WCW and ECW, they pushed a lot of their own guys over the stars of their former competition.

3 - Loyal talent. Guys who have 'paid their dues' or have been with the fed a LONG time (see: Undertaker, JBL).

4 - Big men / monsters. According to rumors, Vince McMahon has a hard-on for big guys.

5 - Guys so popular with the fans, you have to push them. Rey Mysterio, John Cena, Eddie Guerrerro (not saying they wouldnt be pushed on skill, but without their popularity they prob would be at a much lower position right now).

You're dead on with pretty much everythingyou said. Except not all loyal workers are rewarded unfortunately. Look at Billy Gunn or Bob Holly for example. Or on a lesser level, Jericho currently.

And yes, Vince loves the big guys. Batista, Big Show, Edge, Kane, Lesnar, etc...

And like everyone has said, yes, it's scripted, meaning winners are decided in advance. But wrestlers as a whole or in crazy shape, bust their ass and work their bodies hard.

[ezrydn]

I can attest to most of the statements above as being true. For 4 years, I worked as a Remote Engineer for a TV station in a very large metropolitan city. Every Friday nite, for those 4 years, I was videotaping "raslin." I soon became aware of the "showmanship" portion of the sport.

Participants who "couldn't understand English" or would chew your leg off as look at you, would come in the remote truck and politely ask, in perfect English, if they could get a coke from us (they all knew we had "iced" in the truck).

After the show, mortal enemies would walk out of the locker room deciding where they were all going to have dinner...together.

Is it fake? Well, you and I couldn't do it without getting hurt, badly. Is it what the "storyline" implies? Nope.

But, ya know, those guys in the movies weren't really shooting Indians either!

And, to the participants of the sport, they're truly athletes. And, they've got to be better than just 'good' to have such a career.

So, is it fake? Ummmmm, yes and no.

[Vitasoy]

Originally posted by mahoney
Thats Strange. This is Why The Terrorists hate us

Want to see real fighting? Watch Pride, K1 or UFC

[mahoney]

I really like the tough man competition and the Ultimate Fighting Challenge. That's like porno violence

[Basic_man]

its only theater

[block]

They have script writers just like any tv shows... the winner is decided by the script.

[reynold]

i think it depends who's the wrestler that clicks in the crowd, have the "acting" skills, the body, voice and charisma.

[MissMina]

Originally posted by Vitasoy
Bret The Hitman Hart. I also liked owen... RIP

I met Owen shortly before he died. Really sweet guy

[RandomNinja]

Favorite wrestler: Chris Benoit

[TexasDreams]

It may be scripted, and the winner's decided beforehand, but I still enjoy watching WWE SmackDown every week. I think that the show has some of the funniest scripts on television today, and from a marketing aspect it's absolute genius.

McMahon and company do a hell of a job in putting together sports and entertainment in a package that continuously sells out major stadiums and arenas not just week after week, but 2 to 4 times a week non-stop. I don't see any other group with that kind of consistent marketing success in any field.

[zentz]

yokozuna

[tapeworm206]

Originally posted by Vitasoy
Want to see real fighting? Watch Pride, K1 or UFC

No if you want real wrestling go to www.NWWL.com , Carmen Electra's Naked Women's Wrestling League...

Now that is wrestling!

[rakeback]

WWE usually decides what they want to happen at the big Payperview event, then they start scripting backwards, week by week to get to the current show you're watching on TV twice a week.

my favorite was ECW, they were damn hardcore.

I went to several PPV's around chicago.

Good times

[Dirty D]

I used to webmaster Randy "Macho Man" Savage's website.
We auctioned off his Wrestlemania 1 outfit for $10,000

He and Hulk Hogan both live in the Tampa Bay area.

Wrestlers are crazy - not too much different from their character!

His forehead is totally scared from all the cuts back in the old school dayz.

Pure Entertainment...

[pornguy]

Its pretty simple. A guy gets a bunch other other guys to get in a ring in their underware, and play throw each other around.

then after they practice a little they sell tickets.

[jade_dragon]

I miss the days of the smaller faster wrestlers, when they were highlighting the Japanese and Mexican wrestlers more and having the big 5 on 5 matches where people were flying everywhere and it was all about technical acribatics and team power moves.....

I think DX, NWO and when Sting became dark were the best dramas written for television hands down. It really is a male soap oprah.

DX and NWO paradies of other wrestling groups like the 4 horsemen

The first time we heard the Crow like entrance speach of Sting when he returned

The Brett Hart and Shawn Michaels matches

Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker cage matches

The first Dean Malinko/Ultimo Dragon match where for the first time we saw two technical wreslers do counter after counter.

But I disagree, the thows are done in a way to cause low impact, the ring is layered to reduce shock to body parts, the punches are pulles and sometimes do not even connect. You could very well enter into the ring with these guys and do simular stuff and not get injured after some training but you will eventually, accidents do happen. Let us not forget the steroid use and personal trainers so while they do work out the substances help out a lot.

[DWB]

My best friend wrestles for WWE and he takes a beating. Yes, he knows if he is going to win or lose, what is going to be said and the basics of the match, but those ring floors still hurt, as do the ropes. Getting hit is getting hit and though they are trained to give and take them... it can still hurt. Go get on the mat and take a bump... it hurts.

With that said, the best guys make it look easy.

[psyko514]

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
My best friend wrestles for WWE and he takes a beating. Yes, he knows if he is going to win or lose, what is going to be said and the basics of the match, but those ring floors still hurt, as do the ropes. Getting hit is getting hit and though they are trained to give and take them... it can still hurt. Go get on the mat and take a bump... it hurts.

With that said, the best guys make it look easy.

who is he?

[Nightraven]

They probably flip a coin

[SpikeHeel]

they usually keep wrestler that has the charisma and the voice that will make pro-wrestling alive.

[jade_dragon]

I train in martial arts, we get hit and we bruise and scar. I know grecko roman wrestlers as well as jujitsu practicioners, they bruise and scar. Big people hitting big people hard should leave marks and scars just like we have. Yet every week they come out and unless there was some accident or a huge pay per view match there is little or no damage shown and make up does not work so well when you are sweating and lubed up. Stomping your foot while giving someone a left jab or jumping into a hip toss......... Weekly events no, pay per view perhaps.

Wrestling I would sum up like football/rugby, you get impact but it does not mean you are physically effected by it each time, lots of time a hit does not do anything but make a noise and look more painful than it was. Leg drop, elbow drop, stomp punches, hip tosses, frog splash, shooting star press, figure four, arm bars, clothesline, power bombing by closing your legs before impact, holding the head on bulldogs and the slams where the head is inbetween the legs (can not remember the name). The most painful things are probably those backhands, this is the only time you see any kind of visible mark from a hit (chest turns red), ddt and suplexes of any kind.

Not saying the guys are not big and not saying they are not in decent muscular shape just saying that those hits are not as hard as they look and the mat is layered and spring loaded.

[Goatse]

The only type of wrestling I enjoyed as a kid was the gory, hardcore matches. Abdullah's blood-filled face, with that creepy stare, scared me shitless. I knew it was fake, yet I couldn't help thinking this guy was geniunely nuts.

[SykkBoy]

I started getting rbunt out on WWE product last year and haven't watched much lately, but have been watching the TnA guys...they have some of the guys who couldn't/wouldn't play politics with Vince McMahon like Shane Douglas, Sabu, Jeff Jarrett, etc.

I've also been watching a ton of Lucha Libre wrestling on Galavision (it's in spanish, but a lot of fun, especially when they wrestle in the octagon ring) It's fully of high flyers and gore...

[Reak]

A does it makes a lot of money?

Q If yes, it works