You mean your "FAKE" brother don't you? Since he's not REALLY your brother.

You are trying to tell me that 51% of our voting population lives in these two states? :1orglaugh

That IS the point. NO one, yes, not even the "I'm a legend in my own mind" King has made ONE good point as to why we should keep the Electoral College & not let the majority of the voters rule.

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Originally posted by theking
This has never happened...in our history...to the best of my knowledge. It has only happened twice in our history that the winner of the Presidency lost the national popular vote.
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Ahh..yea of little comprehension...what does that have to do with my post?

Oh yee who lacks ANY originality and always posts the same lame "comeback".

Damn..you are stale! :1orglaugh

Easy answer. I believe that States that have different cultures/values should have a certain amount of parity when it comes to electing a President. I have made it abunduntanly clear that I approve of the Electorial College system...but I do not expect you to comprehend this.

Oh..that IS hilarious comming from a guy that was making a point that this country is the UNITED states!

"Different cultures/values" what fucking intrinsic cultures/values does one state have over another. NAME ONE! New York believes in no slavery while Alabama is FOR IT!?

Prejudices and discriminations..YES!

Well, I am pretty sure that Bush lost the vote in Florida. He told the cubans that they can not go back to visit family, unless it is every three years.

And they have a huge vote in the state.

Yes you must have a minimum of 270 electoral votes out of 538 electoral votes which is a majority...and to the best of my knowledge it has never gone to the House of Representatives.

Well...I am satisfied that my brothers do not consider themselves to be fake...but...no they are not my brothers by blood...but we are "brothers" none the less...faggot.

It t requires some ability to comprehend...but his statement was a figure of speech...comprende...no I don't think so.

I made perfectly good points...and others agree that the Electorial College is the way to go...you and some others just do not agree...comprende?

if everyone in the country was voting for Kerry, Bush would not have 213 electoral votes

this is why people from other countries should stay out of discussions about US politics . . . especially when they are clueless about how it works

When theking says BUsh has 213 electoral college votes, that is if the election was today, and the results were what the poll said they were.

Nothing is written in stone. If everyone votes for Kerry, then Bush will not have those EC votes

The list of differences is to long to list and you would not comprehend the differences. Yes we are a country of United States Each with individual State rights...each with laws that are in variance with other States...each with "slightly" different cultures/values. Each that would like to have a modicum of parity when it comes to electing a President.

forget it . . . some people will never understand that . . . it is like trying to explain the Trinity to an atheirst

If you got every single person in the states of ND, SD, WY, NV, AZ and a minority in the 5 most populated states, then you could have technically had more popular votes, but not enough EC votes

And as usual, you prove you don't know what the heck you are talking about by posting!

READ & LEARN:

"The first time the House of Representatives chose the President was in 1800. At that time, the President was the candidate who received the most electoral votes, and the Vice-President was the candidate who received the second most electoral votes. Thomas Jefferson was the Democratic-Republican candidate for President and Aaron Burr was his Vice-Presidential candidate. The Federalists nominated John Adams for a second term with his Vice-Presidential candidate Charles Cotesworth Pinckney as the Vice-Presidential candidate.

The Democratic-Republican electors forgot to withhold one electoral vote from Burr, so when the final results were announced, the results were Jefferson and Burr, 73 electoral votes each; Adams, 65; Pinckney, 64; and John Jay 1. It then fell to the lame duck Congress, with its partisan Federalist majority, to decide the result. When no candidate gets a majority of the electoral votes, the House of Representatives chooses the President. Each state has one vote, decided by a majority of its delegation, with a majority of the states needed for election.

To make a long story short, the Federalist House toyed with electing Aaron Burr, because they hated Jefferson so much. But in the end, after 36 ballots in all, Jefferson was elected President. It is well to remember that a lame duck House nearly elected Aaron Burr President rather than the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson.

The second time the House of Representatives picked the President was in 1824. In a four way race for President between Andrew Jackson, John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay and William H. Crawford. Crawford, secretary of the Treasury under James Monroe. When the electoral votes were counted, Jackson had 94, Adams 84, Crawford 41 and Clay 37. In the popular vote, Jackson led with 41.34%; Adams had 30.92%; Clay had 12.99% and Crawford 11.17%.

Under the 12th amendment to the Constitution, when no candidate gets a majority of the electoral votes, the names of the three top contenders - Jackson, Adams and an ailing Crawford, were placed before the House. Clay's support was vital to the frontrunners.

Again, to make a long story short, Clay agreed to support Adams in exchange for being made Secretary of State. In those days, Secretary of State was considered the best stepping stone to the White House.

When the House met to vote, Adams was supported by the six New England states and New York, and in large part through Clay's backing, by Maryland, Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri and Louisiana. So, Adams was elected on the first ballot with 13 of the 24 states in the union at that time. The "deal" with Clay cast a cloud on Adams administration from which it never emerged.

Four years later, Andrew Jackson ran for President again making much of his contention that the House of Representatives had thwarted the will of the people by denying him the presidency in 1825, even though he had been the leader in electoral and popular votes. In 1828, Jackson was elected with 178 electoral votes to Adams 83, and 55.97% of the popular vote. Jackson's popular vote total was the highest percentage until Theodore Roosevelt was elected President in 1904 on the heels of William McKinley's assassination. Jackson went on to win re-election in 1832.

The third time the House chose the President was in the Hayes-Tilden election of 1876. Democrat Samuel J. Tilden, Governor of New York, won the election with 50.97% of the vote. However, Florida, South Carolina and Louisiana; southern states then under Republican carpetbag rule, submitted two sets of returns. The House was called upon to decide who won the electoral votes from these three states.

For Hayes to become President by a 185-184 margin, he needed to win all 19 of the contested electoral votes. If Tilden won even one of the electoral votes from Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina, he would have been elected president.

The Congress passed a law appointing a commission consisting of five House members, five Senate members and five Supreme Court Justices to decide the disputed electoral votes. The majority party (Democrats controlled the House and the Republicans controlled the Senate) was to have three members and the minority party two members of each delegation with two supreme court members each. The fifth supreme court member would be chosen by the other four.

To make another long story short, the commission awarded every disputed electoral vote to Hayes by a vote of 8-7, along strictly party lines. Civil War threatened. But Hayes agreed to withdraw federal troops from the south in exchange for the South agreeing to respect Negro rights. Hayes was elected President and kept his part of the bargain, but the South didn't keep theirs. For the next 20 years every presidential election margin was a plurality, razor thin margin."

http://www.leinsdorf.com/House.htm

Because then politicians would not even take the time to worry about the people in ND, SD, AZ, NE, WY, NV, OR . . .they would just concentrate their efforts on NY, CA, PA, OH, FL, TX

Hey "Probably a faggot in the closet since he doesn't date women even by his own admission!" (:1orglaugh ), then my "DAD" Lens says you are full of shit Pathfinder!

Gore lost his home state because he had a Jewish running mate.... the rednecks in Tennessee all listed to their pastors saying not to vote for a jesus killer, etc..

no, we are a Republic, and the EC is the only thing that keeps the smaller, less populated states even in the game

You didn't make ONE plausable argument!
Tell me the states that have the different "VALUES" PATHFINDER! Still waiting for an answer to that brilliant gem!

oh.now it is SLIGHTLY different "cultures/values".
GET SPECIFIC DIP! Lets have some of these "slightly different values" that you hallucinate about!

Stupid must be your first name then . . again, why don't you worry about the politics in your country, if you can decide which one you want to consider yours

why should a state that has less people than Los Angeles get the same weight?

Yea...of little comprehension...have just proven again your lack of comprehension...and I quote.

"and to the best of my knowledge it has never gone to the House of Representatives. "

Which statement was off the top of head without researching it. I hate to disappoint you but...though I have a good memory...I do not have a photographic memory...that is why I used the qualifier "to the best of my knowledge"...comprende?

Maybe that makes since to you...faggots seldom make since to me.

It was always "SLIGHTLY different" as I think the falling shows...taken from the first page of this thread.

I think that "slightly different" and a "little different" are synonymous in meaning.

As for getting specific...I refuse to do so...because I do not like your attitude...and definitely do not take orders from a flaming faggot. Why don't you ask your lover to pay for a course in reading comprehension...or has he already wasted his money on the effort?

No it doesn't. Do republican votes in California, NY, Hawaii, Massachusettes count for anything? Do Dem votes in Texas, Alaska, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Alabama, count? Do third party votes ANYWHERE count for anything? Of course not. It's all a scam. Please explain why in the primaries the delegates are given out PROPORTIONALLY while in the general election it's winner take all? In 2000 Florida was basically TIE. Since Bush barely won he should have gotten 13 elecotral votes Gore 12. Not ALL. Bush didn't get 100% of the vote in Florida. Didn't even get 50% when you look at it.

Yes they count...if they are the majority in the state...if not then no...they do not count in regards to electing the President. President Bush won the popular majority vote in Florida...by a few hundred votes...thus the Electoral votes went to him.

reminder: theking = pedo

You cannot prove your statement...I on the other hand can prove that you are a small time...tgp submitting...gallery thief. :321GFY thief.

I know how it works dumbass. I'm making a point that it shouldn't be that way. 50% of the people don't vote because they know their vote doesn't really count. MY point is if NOBODY voted for Bush in NY and California nad NO ONE voted for Gore in Texas and Florida the electoral count would have ended up being the same which is fucked up.

Since elecotral votes are made of the # of Representatives and Senate members each state has then it makes sense then to award electoral votes by CONGRESSINAL district with the statewide winner getting the 2 Senate electoral votes.

Well "dumbass" it is apparent that you think the Electoral College System needs to be revised. Have you made this known to your Congressmen? Complaining to me about how you think the system should be revised will not accomplish anything. I am simply a retired citizen that likes to go fishing.

I'm not trying to accomplish anything. Nor would complaining to my congressman. I don't think the electoral college should be revised, it should be dumped, but just like Socialism InSecurity and MediScam it won't be.

213? like the SLAYER song about Jeffery Dahmer

Driving compulsion morbid thoughts come to mind
Sexual release buried deep inside
Complete control of a prized possession
To touch and fondle with no objection
Lonely souls an emptiness fullfilled
Physical pleasure and addictive thrill
An object of perverted reality
An obsession beyond your wildest dreams

Death loves final embrace
Your cool tenderness
Memories keep love alive
Memories will never die

The excitement of dissection is sweet
My skin crawls with orgasmic speed
A lifeless object for my subjection
An obsession beyond your imagination
Primitive instinct a passion for flesh
Primal feeding on the multitudes of death
Sadistic acts a love so true
Absorbingly masticating a part of you

Death loves final embrace
Your cool tenderness
Memories keep love alive
Memories will never die

I need a freind
Please be my companion
I don't want to be
Left alone with my sanity

Erotic sensations tingle my spine
A dead body lying next to mine
Smooth blue black lips
I start salivating as we kiss
Mine forever this sweet death
I cannot forget your soft breaths
Panting excitedly with my hands around your neck

Shades are drawn
No one can see
What I've done
What's become of me
Here I stand
Above all that's been true
How I love
How I love to kill you

As usual Pathfinder, when faced with FACTS & not YOUR FICTION, all you can do is fall back on your booze & pills and call people a flaming faggot. Yep, that really supports you well doesn't it?

You were a loser, you ARE a loser, you will ALWAYS be a loser!
You were a liar, you are a liar, and most likely will ALWAYS be a liar.

You couldn't handle it as Pathfinder so you faked your own "death". Now in your own delusional state, you come back as "Theking" and pretends he has other mothers & brothers and wants us to believe he has this grand military background.

You're not a webmaster, not even of a non-adult variety, even though you lie constantly saying that you are.

All lies..all part of one man's dellusional life who obviously has no friends so he hangs out here on a porn message board 24/7 trying to prop up his own self importance by posting messages he believes to be TRUTH, and then simply ignores the facts that proves him wrong on almost every issue.

Call me a flaming faggot, or as many names as your shriveled up old brain can manage. At least I don't LIE about 99% of my life and have NOTHING to be ashamed of as you do.

You are a poor pathetic fool who continues to prove that point.

Despite all the bullshit bickering and empty insults, this thread is somewhat of a good read for anyone wanting to learn more about the US electoral system and how it works.

And holy shit, if a bunch of average American citizens on this board argue like this over it, just imagine how much arguing was done nearly 230 years ago by those in your government who came up with it.