I believe in gravity.

Is gravity a religion?

I lean towards three arguments. The big bang, the creation theory, and the evolution theory. Since no one is 100% sure of how we got here or why, I'm open minded about the whole thing.

That or we're just an experiment gone horribly wrong...

Edit: Just noticed that contradiction... Who's to say the big bang isn't the same as evolution? What if the big bang created a supreme being that in turn created us? :disgust

I have some news for you... based on what you have said, you aren't Christian. If you aren't organized, and collecting money, and intimidating people by telling them they are going to hell if they don't accept what you say without question, then you can't call yourself a true "Christian". Those are the rules; ask the pope or Billy Graham.

1. I contradict nothing. "Christian" does not connotate a specific religion, it indicates a belief. Get your head on straighter before saying others are contradicting themselves.

2. I'm not going to have to repeat myself am I? Since you won't shut up with the arguing about every minor point I put forth, the fact is that there are many Christians who interpret the bible's written word in different ways in some of it's parts. I have yet to see a group of people sit down and study the word and not at some point interpret certain passages to mean something different than the person sitting next to them.

3. I can have it any way I choose to believe to have it. Who are you to say what someone can or can't have in the way of spiritual beliefs? I'll tell you who you are boy, you are nobody.

So ?
No need to call it something.

Let's call it "LIFE"

I'm a "LIFER" then

Big Bang ?
Yeah why not ?
But what was before the big bang ?:Graucho
Like SPOKE would say: "Fascinating"

Yes you are.

No, see here is where you go off the mark and misread the plainly written English sentence I wrote. What I said was "To many, the evidence is all around us. Those people think you should take the blinders off."

I said nothing there about me. I then explained that it is not up to me to prove anything to you, much less justify what my personal beliefs may or may not be. For one, my beliefs are mine and really none of your business.

No, the way I see it is that I am the one who is calm and you are the one who is being arrogant and struggling with my words. You don't know me well enough to know when I might be getting "bent out of shape", but I can tell you that there is little chance of you being the kind of person who could get me that way.

As for personal attacks, what more personal an attack than some idiot ridiculing someone for their spiritual beliefs?.... which some on this thread have done to others.


Again, need I remind you and every other argumentative non-believer on this thread that at no time have I ever said what my own beliefs are. All I've really said to start you puppets jumping is that "it's going to suck if, when you die, you're wrong"..... that's all. And so far no on has disagreed with that remark, only attacked because of it. (as in 'struggle') :1orglaugh

The irony is his brother's name is Paul.

hey!! is this Pete??? Pete "the Fly"??? What's been up man? I missed seeing you around online...

Btw, there's nothing wrong with believing in God. Just have a relationship with him,

Do what you think is best for that relationship and if you dont feel right about something in your heart, then make changes.

Stay in touch with God through prayer, thank him for the good in your life, pray for help with the bad stuff,

Every once in a while if you notice on opportunity to do good...just say to yourself ..."this is for you Lord because you I know you care about me, I'm gonna show that to someone else"

No need to go overboard, just whatever you feel in your heart at the time.

Any other religion that doesn't encourage this kind of attitude may not be right.

What do ya think? :)

Not the same Pete.

I just saw Passion Of the Christ.. and it kickass! :thumbsup

boring
senseless and flat (if you understand what I mean)

and what do you know about animals and plants?
I didn't say that they have no something after the death. Maybe they have? Just you know nothing about it...and the life doesn't go as you think...maybe unfortunately

I don't think "gravity" could 'stretch' to be a "religion." However, it does make a good example.

You believe in gravity. Can you see it? Can you feel it? No, you see and feel the "RESULTS" of gravity. With a belief in the area of religion, there is no "RESULTS" portion until "after" the belief.

And, yes, there ARE noticable "results." Then, it becomes "realtime." And it's the hardest thing in the world to do. Yet, so simple.

You've heard it all. It's just not time yet.

Some people do some people dont. Its what makes you happy.

So you believe that we evolve from monkeys? LOL

You are ignorant.

If we did, why are there still monkeys?

I don't know where you got those ideas but I think you're mistaking Roman Catholics for Christians here... you are a Christian if you believe in Jesus Christ as your savior... that is all.
So now tell me again why am I not Christian?

I'm just pointing out there's a difference in definition, religion assumes an organization, traditions etc. (Catholics i.e.)
I do not see myself as religious, I am a Christian and that is my lifestyle... call it what you want I'm merely pointing out the difference in opinion.

Smart remark... I think I like you :thumbsup

so are you for ridiculing others because of their beliefs... your "title" says enough about you as a person.

Another idiot that associates belief in God with Truth of the Bible. Why will it suck to be a non-believer if they die? Because the BIBLE says they'll go to hell?

Ignorance!! There IS no eternal torment!!

To me, I ALSO see the Bible as "Santa Claus" for adults. Many people can't handle many of life's truths. They would be shattered emotionally if, for instance, they had to face the fact that once we die.... we die. That's it. We're gone. There is NO afterlife. And no amount of group peer-pressure to believe ancient myths is going to change that fact.

But let's say there was an afterlife... good or bad. Does it make ANY sense to you that a God who is supposed to be a better father than any earthly man could ever possibly HOPE to be, would punish us FOREVER for screwing up during our EXTREMELY SHORT time here on earth? Our minds are mortal. We can't comprehend the idea of never-ending, everlasting life. But isn't it ridiculous to think ANY father would punish his children FOREVER when they screw up for a SHORT time? Should I spank my son daily if he talks back to his mother a few times? And keep spanking him for the rest of his life for that sin? "Well, I warned him!" just wouldn't be a good enough explanation to the courts that would take him away from me if I did that. And that example is not even as ridiculous as sending a person to ETERNAL damnation for a short life of sin, no matter HOW many times they were warned. Whatever happened to the part in the Bible where Jesus commands "forgiving 70 x 7 times in one day"? 490 sins a day is what Jesus commanded that we allow people. I guess it's different on matters relating to "eternal life", eh? For some reason, that makes me snicker.

Am I correct in assuming that neither of you has done any real research into Darwin's theory?

If man did indeed evolve from apes, then it was only by a happenstance genetic mutation. This mutation then evolved into mankind, which would explain why monkeys are still in existance.

That's it in a nutshell, but there's much more to it.

And like I've said before, I really don't give two shits what anyone else believes as long as those beliefs are not shoved off on me. :thumbsup

good for you, I'm very happy for you

Yeah, the story goes: God was created out of nothing, and then created the universe out of sugar and spice, which came from ... uhh ... nothing. Ok, so God can create something out of nothing, but only he can, because he, himself, was created from nothing.

See, if I can use logic, anyone can.

Prozac wearing off?

Nonsense wrapped in pretend logic. Very effective in its deceipt, but any thinking person will see through it. I can pull off a skull and see a brain. There's no evidence to suggest any supreme being exists... either empirical or logical.

What WILL be the conclusion? You have the answer?

Won't suck for me. Any God who would send his children to hell for using the logical minds he gave them to determine the only logical conclusion - that he doesn't exist - is not a god I want to spend eternity with.

Pascal's Wager. The silliest argument for religion in history. Let's look at real odds by adding in the other factors.... which god do I choose? If I choose the wrong one, I'm damned anyway. Once I've chosen the right one, which translation of that religion's bible do I use? The odds keep getting narrower.

And what do I have to lose by believing? How about my freedom to research and hopefully discover TRUE answers that might have otherwise contradicted my dogmatic beliefs?

Suddenly the wager looks entirely different. Best odds are in disbelief.

Do you by any chance know anything about the Lady Hope story? (serious question... not sarcastic!)

well take gravity instead of the teacher's brain, you can't see that yet you believe it.

Gravity can be felt and measured. Again, a false analogy.


Edit: For the record, when I debate this, I'm debating respectfully. I've had people get really offended in the past, and I'm not trying to offend. I just can't resist religious debates. :) Religion has always fascinated me, but I see it as fundamentally flawed in all ways.

no offense taken, I feel the exact same way I can't steer clear of a religious debate either allthough I know I'll get the same arguements thrown at me time after time :)

You're right about my point... let's try it this way, please note I'm not trying to convert you I'm merely trying to prove my point...

Do you believe Jesus walked this earth?

She being the Lady who supposedly was with Darwin at his death (or had visited his deathbed), then told people that Darwin recanted his theory and wished he'd never told it, and became a Christian?

His daughter was published as saying that not only did her father not recant nor turn Christian, but Lady Hope had never been near him nor in his room as he lay dying.



Is that the one?

yup that's the one... I've heard many stories about it but still it's a hard story to prove or disprove because it's one word against the other right.