http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/...ticons6/43.gif ..........i'm with you....

How do you know? If they weren't "saved" then they are rotting in hell with murderers, Muslims, atheists and people who have had sex before marriage, aren't they? I'm speculating that most of those kids were Orthodox Christians, and therefore weren't "saved" before their death according to Texas Christian standards, so I guess they burning forever in hell right now?

God even banishes aborted fetuses to hell doesn't he? Because they weren't saved and haven't donated to the church before their death?

I don't know how it works in your church, but I thought in most Christian sects, "rules is rules".

booby, you are a deeply disturbed individual.

I'd say seek some help but I doubt it would do any good.

I consider myself spiritual but not religious, but I also belive the first person to mention God suffered from Dyslexia, and really meant...

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I beleive there is something that created us ... has to be a start somewhere ...

My parents made me, and they are both human (as far as I know).

That logic is flawed. By the same reasoning, God must have a creator, or a God's God. I guess we could call him "God-1". And then "God-1" must have a creator too, "God-2". And so on.

I AM GOD AND PETER YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!!!!

Extremely wise words much respect to yah

regards

taperr

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Almost correct... organized religion is evil, cults are evil but faith is not evil!

CD said it best... respect someones opinion and do not ridicule it, believe what you want.

That's it! So what's the fuss about?

I find it amusing that those that don't understand Big Bang theory are the only ones that aruge against it.

Also, just because we don't know how something happened doesn't mean "god did it". That's the "god of the gaps" argument and it doesn't work. 100 years ago god made lightening. Now we understand how lightening occurs and god no longer makes lightening.

There's some of that good old christian love!

It's going to suck if you believed the wrong thing. :1orglaugh

I believe I'll have another pepsi.

Why? If a person believes in God, dies, and he'swrong, then he's not out anything at all, because that would be true for everyone.


But if he's right..... I don't really have to finisht that thought.



Same applies to non-believers. If THEY are right, then whatever, you die you're dead, right?

But if they're wrong......:1orglaugh

I won't feel stupid at all. Why should I choose to believe in something that provides me no evidence of its existence?

I believe in God :)

It's going to suck even worse for the believers who chose the wrong belief.

Also, believing due to a threat is accepting an appeal to force. It's a fake belief and I'm sure that'll piss off god even worse. I don't treat my spiritual life like I'm in Vegas where I'll put one on the red and one on the black.

But god is omniscient, omnipotent and he has a master plan. That means that these deaths were part of his master plan. Therefore it is god's fault that these children died.

Prove it.

Why does there have to be a start?

Ohboy. Here we go again.

101 wanna-be theists

To many, the evidence is all around us. Those people think you should take the blinders off.


And it's not about gambling or a crap shoot or being forced into something or any of that. Anyone who believes will tell you that it is about having faith that there is a higher power in the universe than yourself. That's all.

And it will suck for the non-believers if they're wrong. :1orglaugh

You're attempting to use Pascal's Wager, but Pascal didn't take other religions into account. He simply assumed that christianity is right. What about all the other thousands of religions. How many of them say "this is the only true way"? If you choose the wrong religion, then you're worse off then an atheist if you choose the wrong religion.

Why will it suck for the non-believers? We'll all be just as dead.

So what happens if we don't believe? If you don't believe in something, then to you, it isn't there or doesn't happen.

But to take from the often-random thoughts of most believers, "God is a forgiving God who loves all of his children, even those who screw up." If that's the case, then why does he send non-believers and evildoers to hell?

Give me an example of evidence of god's existence.

Here you go with the gamble again. That's exactly what Pascal's Wager is, a gamble. That's why it's called "Pascal's Wager".

How do you know there is a "higher power"? Give me some piece of objective evidence please.

Not another God thread

Why sit here and argue about who's right and who's wrong?

NONE OF US KNOW THE TRUTH UNTIL WE'RE DEAD
SO WHY BICKER ABOUT IT

Live every day like it could be your last and quit worrying about the unexplainable

Goddammit, Pete, see what you started? :feels-hot

No, I simply don't care about religions. Religions are institutions created by man. There are many Christians who don't tie themselves down to a religion, and there are many who believe that God takes many forms to many people but that he/she/it is all one God.

I'm not saying my own beliefs are that way necessarily, I'm not saying anything about myself in fact. But I will say that there is an answer on both sides for every point in this issue, and the debate is endless.... mostly due to the fact that even the most highest educated knowitalls are working mostly from theories, not facts. No one really knows what happens after you die until you die. Then you know. Either you're dead and gone so you won't know anything either way, or there is...... something else.

Ahh, someone who gets it. Nice to see.

This is why people like you have never gotten it, and will likely never get it. *I* don't have to prove anything to you. It is not incumbent upon *me* to show you anything nor any evidence. *I* am not God, and faith comes from within, not without... as any true believer will readily tell you. And lastly, *I* am not the one struggling with this issue or this concept of believing.... but *you* are. I am not ridiculing anyone's choice to believe or not believe..... others are.


Sure makes me think about which side is more skewed in their attitudes towards others and in their thinking in general. I would rather hang out any day with someone who doesn't judge and ridicule others than some of you fuckers. Some of you are "holier-than-thou" only in reverse. :1orglaugh

1. You contradict yourself when you say "There are many Christians who don't tie themselves down to a religion," because christianity is a religion.

2. According to christianity, the only way into heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. That means that all other religions are wrong and their believers will earn an eternity in hell.

You can't have it both ways. If you accept a doctrine, then you can't accept only the bit you like and ignore and contradict the rest.

Please research the scientific method and read scientific journals. Scientists work from facts, where do you think their theories come from? Do you think they just sit around and make shit up?

I am not struggling with issues of belief anymore, I struggled with that long ago and I am not comfortable with my position. You are struggling with your position. That's why you said I should "look aroud" as evidence of god's existence, but when I ask for something better you renig and say that you're not going to do it.

I'm just asking questions and challenging ideas. You're the one getting bent out of shape and making all sorts of accusations and doing name calling. He who cannot argue his point will prefer instead to personally attack his opponent rather then his arugments.

Just answer the questions and follow where the evidence leads.

This isn't just about believing or not, and choosing the "right" religion. This is also about living a good ,sharing and peacefull life. That's what most religions are about...

The planets in perfect rotation, the amount of oxygen versus carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere (and if there was any less amounts of these gases in the air, we wouldnt be able to live), flowers blooming... All these millions of different types of animals perfectly interacting with nature and the environment...the brain, more powerful than any computer to this date, the human body for that matter, all the genetics that make us up.... Babies being born and growing into full human beings, something as trivial as a fucking smile........................and I'm supposed to buy that a large bang made this all up, and every single detail in this universe as it is today? perfectly in 1 bang??? nah, thats ridiculous...something is out there

If what I believe is false, then I've lost nothing.

If what I believe is true, you've lost everything.

Point 1.
This is a misunderstanding on the definition of religion, Christianity, Islam and such are named religions but I myself for example and I think CD too take offense in this word coz it often presumes organized religion which is man-made... in example going to church etc.

Christianity for me is a way of living, not to be typed "religion" coz this makes it sound as something organized as described above. So this is not a contradiction tho a difference in definition. :2 cents:


I don't see what you're trying to say with point 2 but it's probably related to some other post I skipped.

Evolution is something you obviously believe in, if you do, this makes you a "believer" too yet of the evolutionary theory. It can be typed "religion" too... hence the difference in definition on "religion"

No disagreement here, but that's not what happens when you try to take a religion literally. Fundamentalism, the literal belief in a religious text, has been one of the greatest banes our world has ever known. One of the reasons I ask people questions is to try to get them to think outside of the literal box. Some are willing to and some are not.

Just because something is complex and beyond your understanding doesn't mean it's magical.

Where did you get my belief in evolution from? I never stated or even suggested that.