Porn Last Bastion of Racism?

[UnseenWorld]

There was a seminar in Vegas today where a porn actress spoke of (among many other things) models wanting higher pay for certain things (gangbangs, anal, and "interracial").

Is this racism? I think so.

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[titmowse]

models deserve higher pay. without models, content providers have nothing.

as far as the interracial thing well, have you considered that as models, they KNOW that pics of their lilly-white asses getting reamed by black dicks make more money for content providers/webmasters/paysites?

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[Catalinas]

Not racism, it is capitalism. Porn girls know what is going to make more money and so they want to get paid more money. At least that's what I think

[UnseenWorld]

BULLSHIT! Everything makes "more money" marketed well. Besides, if I accept your assumption that "it makes more money," that simply moves the racism back a step: You are then profiting from other people's racism, are you not? To be overly-conscious of race is a definition of a kind of racism.

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[UnseenWorld]

If I were to say "amateur makes more money," would we then pay amateurs more? Amateurs get paid less, but it's not because they make "less money." That whole tack is total bull. And it's not the feeling had when she made that comment. The way it came out, I felt a bit sorry for the (very few) black people in the audience.

Racism is rampant in porn, and you are fooling yourself if you think it's related to "higher value." If you're brave enough, read this article: http://www.lukeford.com/subjects/content/racism.html

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[titmowse]

so, unseen is that why you shoot teen content? because you are such a righteous man? or perhaps you choose teen models not just because they are a paying niche, but because they are too green to know that they can make more money?

as i said, i was not there to hear the comment, but i am tired of hearing about women posing for pics and getting paid shit.

i advise every woman to get their own damned digital camera, take their own damned pics and build their own damned website. screw these fucking pimps. you got what the mens want, make ALL the damned money.



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[tenletters]

Yea and Ford charges less money for a white vehicle... racist bastards !!

This isn't about racism.. it's about women making more money for shit they wouldn't normally do.

[Gemini]

Amen Tit!!

And you hit it right on the head tenletters! Why shouldn't a woman taking that 10" up the backside get pain premium wages! Not many can do that let alone WANT to do it.

TOO many photogs are paying garbage wages and making all the loot. Genre doesn't seem to matter. When I cammed, I Had photogs come out of the woodwork with BIG offers of 50-100 an hour (with a 2 hour max in most cases) to do shoots. Its like Yeah Right. I know first hand how much I made from tease shoots we did ourselves. The quality was as good as a so called photog and we made several hundred times the cash they offered in just a few months time.

I don't think thats racism... I think it's trying to right the wrongful predudicial treatment content shooters are shoving down womens throats every day. Or should I say up there...-fill in the blank-

[Warphead]

I think we have to consider everything in this one. If a woman wants extra money to take a black tree-trunk cock up the ass, you can't really call that racism.

And lets not forget the first film depicting a black man and white woman was a porn flick from around 1920 - they both wore masks so the KKK wouldn't kill them.

[UnseenWorld]

Let's take this point by point:

You wrote:

so, unseen is that why you shoot teen content? because you are such a righteous man? or perhaps you choose teen models not just because they are a paying niche, but because they are too green to know that they can make more money?

My reply is:

I think you may be mistaking me for a full on capitalist who is totally motivated by greed. Actually, I'm of an age where I am semi-retired. I now want to do what I want to do, and so I'm doing what I want to do, and that's the reason I'm doing it.

If I were greedy, I'd be working with models like the one in the seminar who sucks dicks for a living and charge extra (it seems) for sucking a black man's dick.

You wrote:

as i said, i was not there to hear the comment, but i am tired of hearing about women posing for pics and getting paid shit.

My reply is:

As one producer said, "I pay men a dollar. If I can't get a guy willing to have his cock sucked for $1, I'll have to think about paying $2."

You wrote:

i advise every woman to get their own damned digital camera, take their own damned pics and build their own damned website. screw these fucking pimps. you got what the mens want, make ALL the damned money.

My reply is:

Gosh, there's an idea. I think you're insulting your sex to imply they're so stupid it took until June 28 for YOU to think of this brilliant idea.

Of course, I'm being ironic. Women are not stupid and those who WANT to do that are doing it or will do it. However, apparently a lot of women would rather do it the other way around.\

As a matter of fact, I frequently tell the girls I work with, "If you want to make a lot of money in this business, you're on the wrong side of the camera," so I don't entirely disagree with you. However, I will inform you that this is not something most models want to do.

I think where you're wrong is that they are not in it JUST for the money and for reasons of vanity perhaps, they prefer to be on the wrong side of the camera.

When you take very flattering pictures of girls as I do, seeing themselves through my eyes is part of the payoff for them.

In fact, I find the best models (not from a financial standpoint, but from an artistic one) are frequently those for whom payment is relatively unimportant. Many such models will trade modeling time for prints. (Mostly for artistic nude work instead of true "adult" work.)


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[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by tenletters:
Yea and Ford charges less money for a white vehicle... racist bastards !!

This isn't about racism.. it's about women making more money for shit they wouldn't normally do.

Thanks for making my point. I think a lot of it has to do with the kind of man this involves: guys in doo-rags who embody some stereotypes I'm sure much of the black community wishes would go away.

I think the fact that it's mostly black male/white female (a good 80-90% of the time) should tell us that there's an unspoken racial component here.

Now, I've shot several black girls. They are just as beautiful in my eyes as the while girls. However, I'm told by white website owners that they generally don't want black females because "my members just don't respond to them like the white girls."

Most of my sales of black girls have been to black-oriented websites operated by black webmastgers.



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[UnseenWorld]

Gemini wrote:

And you hit it right on the head tenletters! Why shouldn't a woman taking that 10" up the backside get pain premium wages! Not many can do that let alone WANT to do it.

My reply is:

Then the criterion should be penis size of the other actor, not his race. There are some giant white dicks around, after all.

You wrote:

TOO many photogs are paying garbage wages and making all the loot. Genre doesn't seem to matter. When I cammed, I Had photogs come out of the woodwork with BIG offers of 50-100 an hour (with a 2 hour max in most cases) to do shoots. Its like Yeah Right. I know first hand how much I made from tease shoots we did ourselves. The quality was as good as a so called photog and we made several hundred times the cash they offered in just a few months time.

My reply is:

I covered that pretty well elsewhere. Your experience aside (a) a lot of the girls are not entirely in it for the money; those who are will have to compete against that low-priced competition. Now, maybe you're arguing that someone should pay more than he/she has to for talent. I'm sure that idea would be good for a few yucks in an economics class. "Gee, I can get this girl for $50 an hour, but I think I'll pay her $250 anyway." Sorry, that's not the way the world works.

You wrote:

I don't think thats racism... I think it's trying to right the wrongful predudicial treatment content shooters are shoving down womens throats every day. Or should I say up there...-fill in the blank-

My reply is:

Look, no one is shoving any pay scale down anyone's throat or in any other orifice. If I go to Kinko's and they offer me $7.25 an hour, I don't have to take it. If I offer a girl $50 an hour, she can refuse it and walk over to Kinko's or try to find a producer who pays more.

I don't think any other system would actually work.



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[UnseenWorld]

One more reason (or several, depending on how you see it) why photographers make more than models is that, as I sometimes explain to girls who ask about this, "Where were you when I found the clients? Where will you be once the product has been shot and post production work begins? Where will you be when I need to buy a new camera or add on a new technology? You can take the money and walk away. For me, I've already put time and money into it and there's still a lot ahead of me. In general, the models aren't interested in this aspect.

However, there are exceptions. Currently, one of the models I've worked with recently is receiving a lot of guidance training from myself and another photographer because she is very interested in learning all this stuff. She's very smart, she's a quick learner, and she will be paying girls $50 an hour someday, if girls will work for that, because that's the only rational way to run a business.

Furthermore, the world is full of pretty girls much moreso than talented photographers. Thus, models are a commodity more than photographers are. Since I have the client(s), if a discussion breaks down the client generally doesn't ask the model if she knows another photographer, he asks me what other models I might know.

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[titmowse]

unseen,

where is the quote? what was said exactly? you expect us to make a judgement on your heresay.

i will say this, i was trained as an actress and worked as talent for many years. i also modeled and was a singer.

i was also a technician. i ran many a lighting board and sound system.

i know the conflict between "talent" and technicians. i know that without good lights or lights at all, the talent is lost. i also know that without talent, the technician has no one to light.

i also know interracial sex. i write about it. i've done it. i prefer it.

you have not proved to me that what you "heard" in a seminar was racist. you have only told us what you percieved. kind of like i perceive teen content to be thinly veiled pedophilia.




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[[Labret]]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
There was a seminar in Vegas today where a porn actress spoke of (among many other things) models wanting higher pay for certain things (gangbangs, anal, and "interracial").

Is this racism? I think so.

So what if it was? What country is this?

Just cause you cant get any white girls to sleep with you doesnt mean you should come on here and whine about it.

Call the NAACP and shut the fuck up. Dont you have better things to worry about?

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by [Labret]:
So what if it was? What country is this?

Just cause you cant get any white girls to sleep with you doesnt mean you should come on here and whine about it.

Call the NAACP and shut the fuck up. Dont you have better things to worry about?

I know the name of the board is Go Fuck Yourself, but that is tongue in cheek. I still think a modicum of matters is called for.

Now, what country are we living one which has both freedom of speech (which I'm exercising, along with some manners) and a history of slavery and racism.



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[UnseenWorld]

Timowse wrote:

where is the quote? what was said exactly? you expect us to make a judgement on your heresay.

My reply is:

Had I known it would have heard such an amazing thing come out of her mouth, I would have had a tape recorder with me. The gist is that a lot of actresses charge extra for "interracial sex" (I guarantee you she used those words, and I think you and I both know the term means "with a black person" not "with an Asian" or "with a Pacific Islander" which is at the heart of what I'm asserting).

Titmowse wrote:

i will say this, i was trained as an actress and worked as talent for many years. i also modeled and was a singer.

i was also a technician. i ran many a lighting board and sound system.

i know the conflict between "talent" and technicians. i know that without good lights or lights at all, the talent is lost. i also know that without talent, the technician has no one to light.

My reply is:

I'm not sure what this has to do with racismm in porn, but in the case of models and photographers, the photographer is the primary artist and therefore the "talent" for the most part. This is not to say that the model contributes nothing, but if you look at my work (a lot of it artsy-fartsy black and white stuff), you'll see a common talent and style across it all, whereas you'll have little trouble finding crappy photos of the same models by other photographers.

Titmowse wrote:

i also know interracial sex. i write about it. i've done it. i prefer it.

My reply is:

Fine. I don't know about you, but most people mean "with a black person" by "interracial sex." If you are the exception, it doesn't cancel the rule. However, how many Pacific Islanders did you mean when you said that?

Titmowse wrote:

you have not proved to me that what you "heard" in a seminar was racist. you have only told us what you percieved. kind of like i perceive teen content to be thinly veiled pedophilia.

My reply is:

And it's clear that nothing would change your mind. Or at least that's MY perception.

But, what kind of attack is that anyway? What other channel do we have for our knowledge other than through our senses (perceptions)?




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[TheWatcher]

You all are funny =O) So unseen take it up the ass and then tell me you dont want to be paid more for it.


heh heh think about it, short and simple.

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[titmowse]

unseen,

there is your basic prejudice.

you see models as dime-a-dozen. you see them as commodities. you see them as tools. you neglect to see them as humans that are doing something I bet YOU would never do. How many black cocks have you had in your mouth or up your ass?

You are making an issue out of a non-issue.

You say racism. I say sexism.



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[TheWatcher]

Originally posted by titmowse:
unseen,

there is your basic prejudice.

you see models as dime-a-dozen. you see them as commodities. you see them as tools. you neglect to see them as humans that are doing something I bet YOU would never do. How many black cocks have you had in your mouth or up your ass?

You are making an issue out of a non-issue.

You say racism. I say sexism.

You say Tomato I say gofuckyourself with it =o) bwahahahah


(and im joking, Tomatos are to soft)

[UnseenWorld]

Well, clearly you'd all rather talk about models taking it up the ass with big dicks than address the racism question.

a) The model charges more for "interracial."
b) Anyone who's been around porn sites knows that "interracial" always means black-white, never Native American/Pacific islander or Hispanic/Asian. THAT is where the unspoken racism lies.
c) You are all now admitting, it seems, that she gets paid for taking big penises, not because "it's worth more."
d) You are all unable to see what it means: that a lot of porn is racist.

Instead, you want to discuss pay scales. This business is like any other: Once you find what you want, you pay what the other party is willing to take. Like any other transaction, it's a mutual agreement. I offer $50/hr and the other party can take it or leave it. There is nothing to argue about there. I have turned down work that paid less than I wanted to do it. Models have the same option.
\
\You are all talking like models are stupid. You are the ones who are treating them like morons who can't think for themselves. Okay, why not open up a "Moron models, we'll think for you" site?

I'm sure they'll be very grateful you did.

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[mischief]

It is amazing how everyone strayed from the main gist of this topic. Unseen, I think you have made a very valid point, and it was definately a racist remark. I think you have been unjustly crucified in this post.

[shunga]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
models wanting higher pay for certain things (gangbangs, anal, and "interracial").

Is this racism? I think so.

You list three things yet focus only on the third. Wouldn't it be correct to say models might dislike doing all three, and wouldn't it be fair to say that's their personal choice? If a male model wants extra money for gay pictures, does that make him homophobic? The world isn't black and white.

[UnseenWorld]

You wrote:

You list three things yet focus only on the third. Wouldn't it be correct to say models might dislike doing all three, and wouldn't it be fair to say that's their personal choice? If a male model wants extra money for gay pictures, does that make him homophobic? The world isn't black and white.

My reply is:

Apples and oranges. A heterosexual male might want extra pay for engaging in gay sex contrary to his nature. Perhaps your point, then, is that interracial sex is contrary to nature as well? There's no biological basis for that position.

I'm not denying anyone's freedom of choice, but am merely pointing out that some choices are racist in nature. The fact that someone is free to make that choice doesn't change that fact.

Mischief correctly pointed out that many (especially females) have wanted to divert the discussion from racism in porn to a debate over whether photographers should pay models even more than they are willing to work for (a bizarre notion at best, economically speaking...and one I'm pretty sure few of the people who mouth this notion practice to any great extent).

Of course, no one is ever satisfied with what they accept as pay. I for one would love it if people paid more for my photography (which, by the way, would make it easier to pay models more). However, the photography market is driven by market forces just as the models' market is.

You who complain could make many people's lives better if you were willing to pay more in the supermarket or store. Whenever you buy at the discount store or only when items are on sale you must know that you could make anonymous people's (including many children's) lives better by paying full retail.

You could pay more for hosting, photography, graphic design and so on, but I'm sure you try to get the best price you can, too. This is how photographer/model relations work. The only difference is that you price shop anonymously and I do it face to face. Enough said on models, then. I have never forced a model to take my pay scale and never worked with one who wanted more. Her rights and mine are preserved.

Back to the topic you really don't like. I haven't even gotten into how blacks are portrayed in interracial porn: How often is the black male portrayed as a decent guy with a good job instead of a walking penis from some street corner with an insatiable lust for white women?

Just remember, you are in the only industry where "interracial" is pretty much a code word for "between blacks and whites" (mostly black males and white women), not "between one race and another."

You who attack me for shooting legal teen models, remember, they are legal adults and, at least in my own work, I portray them as beautiful and alluring, not as mindlessly lustful low-IQ sex machines the way black men and white women are portrayed in "interracial" porn.

I'm sure interracial porn can be done well, but as a rule our industry is racist in its portrayals and appeals to some of the lowest racial attitudes in its audience. The non-embarrassing interracial video is pretty hard to find in our industry.



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[sairanx]

Black men are also free to choose wether they want to be photographed or not. What's the problem?

You are talking about black men as if they are not bright enough to understand what their role is in a particular photoshoot or movie, if they don't like it they are free to decline the job aren't they? Just like any other model.




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[titmowse]

ya know unseen, it's so cute how you take on the mantel of the oppressed black male. being that there are no black males on your site, i wonder where your allegiances lie?

i've seen your work.

your photos (although technically clear and well lit) have no soul. your models look like mannequins. your photos do NOT make them look pretty. your photos make them look like sluts.

perhaps someday, you will find that special model that shines above your work.

but, being that you look at models as tools, i doubt you will find that special "talent".



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[MrBrian]

for the most part, a white girl isnt attracted to a black guy. cry all you want. but, this is the truth.

she asks for more money because its something she doesnt like. just like most models ask more to do anal because like the girl we shot yesterday..."it damn hurts"

if you are paying me to eat jelly beans, and you keep making me eat the black ones which i think taste like shit, im going to either quit and stop eating the damn jelly beans or ask for more money. just because i personally favor red jelly beans over "black" ones doesnt make my tastebuds racist.

i think you are just making a big fuss about things. racism is a part of life and just because you read some luke ford article you dont need to go jumping on the soap box

thats just my two cents

[Fart]

Yet another indicator for the high amount of dumb college boys we have in this biz.

I'm sure most of you aren't really racists nor the opposite (you just have no clue) but you certainly insist to have your "own" optinions, which is very common among little boys who can't see the difference between serious issues and small talk. This is nothing to take the opposite view just to prove that your're a man. What UnseenWorld said is pretty clear and true and I don't see the point in bringing up some shit arguments just for the heck of it. For the records: I'm not black but a grown-up, at least.

[shunga]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
A heterosexual male might want extra pay for engaging in gay sex contrary to his nature.

Then why can't a woman demand more money for something that's against her nature..? You're in danger of coming across as being sexist here.

[shunga]

Originally posted by Fart:
Yet another indicator for the high amount of dumb college boys we have in this biz.

I think titmowse might be offended by that remark. We're having an interesting debate, which is something adults do.

[12clicks]

just when some people were starting to think unseenworld wasn't an asshole, he reminds us why he is. :-)

[Pure]

you're an asshole as well. =]

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Pure:
you're an asshole as well. =]

thieves DO think that.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by sairanx:
Black men are also free to choose wether they want to be photographed or not. What's the problem?

You are talking about black men as if they are not bright enough to understand what their role is in a particular photoshoot or movie, if they don't like it they are free to decline the job aren't they? Just like any other model.

[This message has been edited by sairanx (edited 07-01-2001).]

Some women don't mind looking and acting like super sluts. Why would any other sex or race not have similar members?

So, the question is, what is your point?


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[UnseenWorld]

Titmowse wrote:

ya know unseen, it's so cute how you take on the mantel of the oppressed black male. being that there are no black males on your site, i wonder where your allegiances lie?

My reply is:

There are no MALES on my site. It's a site devoted to the love of pretty girls, for which I would hope no apology is required.

You wrote:

your photos (although technically clear and well lit) have no soul. your models look like mannequins. your photos do NOT make them look pretty. your photos make them look like sluts.

My reply is:

Oh, gosh. You're so illogical and alogical in your discussions here, why would anyone care what YOU think? Least of all me. You know, whenever I hear a comment like this about my work, it's almost always from someone I've bested in one way or another. Sour grapes in other words.

And I must note one more time that you seem to prefer to revert to the old *ad hominem* argument rather than refute the original arguments. And this is because you have nothing to bring to the table when it comes to the original topic, so let's abuse the person who first broached the subject. I think anyone can see what you are doing here. It's transparent.

You wrote:

perhaps someday, you will find that special model that shines above your work.

but, being that you look at models as tools, i doubt you will find that special "talent".

My reply is:

This view is not shared by my models, I assure you. Oh, but I forgot: You know better.


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[titmowse]

yes. i do.

[UnseenWorld]

MrBrian wrote:

for the most part, a white girl isnt attracted to a black guy. cry all you want. but, this is the truth.

My reply is:

Then why do I see mixed black/white couples (mostly black male/white female, BTW) all over the place. Where do you live? Coeur d'Alene, Idaho?

You wrote:

she asks for more money because its something she doesnt like. just like most models ask more to do anal because like the girl we shot yesterday..."it damn hurts"

My reply is:

Your point only makes sense if only black men have large penises (I assume this is what you're getting at). Well, it's a fact that there are white guys with large penises, too. Given that, why are we talking about "interracial sex" rather than "sex with well hung guys"? You have no answer to that, do you? I'm pointing out a stereotype here, and you inadvertantly and unintentionally do it almost better than I do!

You wrote:

if you are paying me to eat jelly beans, and you keep making me eat the black ones which i think taste like shit, im going to either quit and stop eating the damn jelly beans or ask for more money. just because i personally favor red jelly beans over "black" ones doesnt make my tastebuds racist.

My reply is:

The concept of racism has nothing to do with jelly beans. I'm not talking about favoring or disfavoring black, Asian, or Pacific islanders as a matter of personal preference. I'm speaking of taking one of all the "races" and making that ONE RACE be the one you mean when you say "interracial sex." Why doesn't "interracial sex" encompass, say, Native American-White sex as it does in the real world. However, in porn it means black-white. Why is that if porn doesn't encompass racism?

You wrote:

i think you are just making a big fuss about things. racism is a part of life and just because you read some luke ford article you dont need to go jumping on the soap box

My reply:

Obviously, racism is OK by you, but that is no reason for me to stand by and let a racist remark go unremarked upon.

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[UnseenWorld]

Fart wrote:

What UnseenWorld said is pretty clear and true and I don't see the point in bringing up some shit arguments just for the heck of it.

My reply is:

Thank you.



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[boneprone]

this is getting out of hand.
Not only is this thread putting me to sleep, it is making my balls itch.

I think I got crabs again,

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by 12clicks:
just when some people were starting to think unseenworld wasn't an asshole, he reminds us why he is. :-)

Thank you for that thoughtful contribution. I notice that the only word in your post larger than 2 syllables is my moniker. LOL

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[MrBrian]

unseen...i think you are a closet racist or something.

interracial sex can be anything. the most popular is black and white. thus, thats what you see the most. i was at david laces house saturday and they shot over 2k pics of an indian girl. this is 4 times more than normal. is that racist? no, they did it because indian girls are rare models because of religion, etc...

the "ouch" quote i gave was for the anal part. she said that after taking out a dildo from her ass. it was your racist mind that thought i was talking about black dicks. whether they are big or not.

i live in sc. its 60% black. not just the area but the whole state. i see things as personal tastes. i dont see every fucking thing as race related nor do most people. they just see the whole big picture.

i dont even know you. but, personally, you are an asshole. you put everyone down. but, you know what. there was an old post where i spent a lot of time and info and you shot it down completely. you had to prove you were the king of photography. its funny how you were the one begging for help at the show.

anyways, go to interracialsex.com and see there isnt just black and whites and stop this thread.

cheers

[UnseenWorld]

MrBrian wrote:

interracial sex can be anything. the most popular is black and white.

My reply is:

Yes, and why is that?

You wrote:

thus, thats what you see the most. i was at david laces house saturday and they shot over 2k pics of an indian girl. this is 4 times more than normal. is that racist? no, they did it because indian girls are rare models because of religion, etc...

My reply is:

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. It's still true that "interracial" is a code word for black/white most of the time. Most people going to an "interracial" site and finding that it was East Indian and Japanese-oriented would be a bit flabbergasted.

You wrote:

the "ouch" quote i gave was for the anal part. she said that after taking out a dildo from her ass. it was your racist mind that thought i was talking about black dicks. whether they are big or not.

My reply is:

But the porn actress didn't say she charged more for dildos or big dicks, she said she charged more for having sex with someone from another race. "Interracial" meaning what it typically does in this business, that meant "with a black person."

You wrote:

i live in sc. its 60% black. not just the area but the whole state. i see things as personal tastes. i dont see every fucking thing as race related nor do most people. they just see the whole big picture.

My reply is:

What evidence have you that I see "everything" as "race related"? You can check and I think you'll find that out of the many posts I've made prior to last week, not a single one was "race related." So, there you go making a sweeping generalization with absolutely no evidence to support it.

You wrote:

i dont even know you. but, personally, you are an asshole. you put everyone down. but, you know what. there was an old post where i spent a lot of time and info and you shot it down completely. you had to prove you were the king of photography.

My reply is:

Well, I've been civil, I think. If you need to resort to name calling instead of offering something persuasive, I think that speaks volumes. I'm opinionated, fairly articulate, and I speak my mind. If you think I "shot you down," I probably did. If you like, I'll cross out all the most effective thoughts in my future posts with you so that you don't look so bad.

You wrote:

its funny how you were the one begging for help at the show.

My reply is:

It was my first show. I think that characterizing my request for advice (which I think we can all agree is one of the purposes of this forum) to "begging" shows how fairly YOU play.

You wrote:

anyways, go to interracialsex.com and see there isnt just black and whites and stop this thread.

My reply is:

Look, I've been on the Internet and Web from the beginning. If there's a website like the one you describe, it is the famous "exception that proves the rule."


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Producer of truly original teen/young woman-oriented adult content at Wonders of the Unseen World

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Okay, this thread is becoming bullshit.

Unseen, you voiced your opinion and several of us have replied with different views.

Instead of accepting that some people are not going to agree with you, it appears as though you want to be right at any cost.

In my eyes you've come away from this thread looking like a cheap ego-driven jerk. Someone who doesn't want to accept that women are, and should be, in charge of their own bodies (and what goes in it). Someone who came to a board with a lame ass "It's racism" comment... and you decided to "attack" anyone who would not agree.

There is true racism out there but I am so sick of hearing the word cried out on every little fucking thing (hence my white ford car comment).

I think people, like you, hurt the cause of race relations and you may very well hurt your content business by pissing off the very people who would buy your photos.

The ball is in your court, fella.

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
Thank you for that thoughtful contribution. I notice that the only word in your post larger than 2 syllables is my moniker. LOL

yeah, "asshole" is a funny moniker.

If its been your experience that white girls don't like you, I wouldn't blame it on skin color without first taking a bath.