50 spammers

LOL

While your figures probably work out to be about right that argument could be made for anything. I mean I could make the following list on the same scale:


Re-tying of shoes costs an average of $16,200,000 per day.
People wiping their ass costs and average of $33,700,000 per day.
Flirting in the office costs an average of $223,500,000 per day.

I haven't seen any organizations dedicated to ridding the world of shoestrings that I can recall.

haha, agreed. and i don't even like spam...

There is one big difference: spam costs time when people are working. It's actual work-time, people don't do it during (actual or self-appointed) breaks, and it is perceived as work... and rightly so.

Spam doesn't cause more inefficiency in workers, it raises the workload. The difference between the two is rather essential...

people also surf porn while they should be working. in fact, it's an epidemic problem in many large companies. these people should be working. productivity quickly going to shit!

I don't think the internet has much to do with the lack of productivity in workers. If workers are not constantly watched, they'll generally only spend 50-75% of the time working, and they'll just waste the rest of the time any way they can. Could be talking with co-workers, playing solitaire on the computer, staring out the window, staring at some secretary's boobs - the "how" isn't all that important.

What that phenomenon does do is make the time they do spend working even more valuable :2 cents:

there is no money in spam

move on :)

lol, spam in different forms can be ok... I never did get into email spam, some people convert well with it but the way they do it requires a lot of effort to keep it working right... The actual funny thing is when a sponsors legit email gets put in the spam folder, thats the part that always makes me laugh.

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you are serious 2, sad

so true.....

i can deal with spam untill time stands still, its the spyware thats the killer.

its not me who gets it, like most of you guys, i know how to avoid it. its the other people in my life that know ive got a job on a computer who natrually think im mr fix it. 90% of there problems are spy ware. i went over to my girls mothers house and ran adware, she had over 80k diff kinds of spyware on her computer.

I think spam is not great in itself, but that is basically one of my points from earlier. EVERY persons house I go to and go on their computer they are infested with junk EVERYWHERE. I literally can not understand how they would even bother turning their computer on. They can't navigate the net, there is annoying flashing search bars, popups every few secnds, etc etc.

But regardless of the difference between the two, spam and spyware is fucking other people over for the purpose of simply making yourself money, and no matter what people say a good 90% would jump on a spyware deal if they thought it would make them enough cash (same with spam - except that is possibly closer to 100%). Being poor sucks, building TGP's all day and making fuck all sucks too. I guess that is what makes these options so enticing, but where does it stop.

spammings in my blood like a flood it succumbs me
numbs me
to the rest of the world
everytime i try to get away
the next day it comes callin
ytcracker, start ballin

- ytcracker, "hotel game"

jesus is/was the greatest spammer of all time
spam is holy
www.livejournal.com/~bkofspam

do the means getting to the end justify themself?

ethics wont help your mortgage payments
ethics car wont help your car payments

that being said. EVERYONE SPAMS SOMETHING

they spam sigs
they spam links
they spam emails

But there is a difference in saying that. How can the means justify the end? You are screwing around other people in order to justify your end. It is a leader of a nation invading another nation and killing people to make himself rich - do the means justify the end? On the other hand if he invaded that nation in order to truly help the people out and ultimately save that nation, than that is a different story. Just more food for thought, and no that example has nothing to do with Bush.

are u really screwing ppl over?
id like to think that selling them dreams is something good.
who knows, maybe the placebo effect will happen.

besides.. lookin at porn is not screwing around other ppl. thats the job of bad pornsites with heavy xsales.

It depends really. I am not trying to dramatise what it is, but I am suggesting that it isn't a nice was to earn a living. I mean if you are spamming Joe's Environmental Yahoogroup, yeah you're screwing people around.

You know, in this day and age, people need to look up for themselves. So many ethical considerations will only slow you down. While you care about others, others do not give a flying fuck and hardly appreciatte it.

I draw a line here:

1.- I do not do to others, what I do not want others do onto me.

2.- I respect the law.

Other than that I will use any means possible to achieve my goal. Once I started to see things this way, my decisions are very eeeeaaaasy.

I care only about me, my family, friends, and close business associates. The rest can go fuck and take care of themselves.

My only concern with spam is that I would not like my children to receive sick stuff or any kind of porn in their email. So I do not do it.

You know, I am with you. But still, doesn't that say something for our society and humanity as a whole?

good post

That's the funniest excuse for scamming I've ever seen. It's also one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

No, it doesn't. It says something about the people who actually adhere to such standards, namely that they are not to be trusted.

Well he was a bit harsh with regards to his 'fuck everyone except my family', but other than that you better watch your back. I guarantee you couldn't trust 95% of GFY (based on your assumptions) if they where given a chance.

to each their own.

im sorry, how do u sell porn again? u never offered surfers something that is unrealistic to them?

I doubt that. I believe I am not the only person here who would never deliberately screw someone over.

professional mass email marketing is fun

I offer surfers access to porn sites, and use marketing talk that promotes the product but doesn't scam surfers.

I was specifically referring to the comment about the placebo effect you made though... that implicates selling stuff of which you know that it doesn't work.

Yeah, that is why I said 95% and not 100%. Do you honestly think a GFYer would turn down something that can earn them $XXX's a day without any real effort? You think too highly of people if you do. Personally, if you take such a product to someone who works a regular job, I think the ONLY real question you would receive from a good 80% of them when you offer it to them is "Is it legal?" Perhaps I think too poorly of people, but from my interaction with general working class folk, I know they'd all jump on it. Sad perhaps, but true.

Good words from Juicy himself. I can't be wrong :winkwink:

i skimmed through it ill read it all when i wake up loll

How come your initial post makes a leap right from things like TGPing etc to "spamming"? It's like saying "I'm not making enough money working 40 hours a week, so I think I'll try bank robbing, what do you guys think?"

You skipped the most obvious answer of perfectly legal and legitimate email marketing.

The line between marketing and spamming is VERY oddly blurred here, right in the heart of the industry. It's very very strange to see such a misconception by the supposed experts.. very very strange indeed.

People do know that email marketing isn't automatically "spam", don't they? One is legal, the other is not. The differences are super clear. No fake headers, no spoofed IP's, physical address and phone number and functioning opt-out link. The sexually-explicit tag if your email contains such images. All simple for a legimate business to have in place.

So why jump to the illegal way before trying the right way?

Simple damn question.

juicy? lists? u? me? cyber?

Actually I did a number of things. TGP's, galleries for a short while, SEO for quite a while and than I met a friend. I don't know if I classify it illegal, but I was offered to learn the tricks of the trade from a guy in the know and for free so I did just that.

In my own experience, simply offering people trust, reliability and a helping hand when they need one works wonders.

It says a lot indeed.

The problem is that people do not see "VALUES" as something important anymore. Money come first to anything and everything.

While there are few others with ethical considerations like you and well defined limits like myself, the great-vast majority of people, would not even think for a second before doing something to make a buck in spite of going against their values and beliefs. Given of course, they have any at all.

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Well if it complies with the can-spam law, then it's not "spam" :) It's email marketing.

Chat services are another thing. No clue, wouldnt' touch it, period.

To answer the thread though, I would not spam, but I would email market like a mother fucker. Nothing, and I mean nothing wrong with it if done right.

You may run into host problems though, because some upstream providers dont care if you comply with every law on the books. Once they get complaints, they'll threaten your host and your host has no choice but to stop it. That (to me) is the real problem with these laws. They make it incumbent upon the complainer to attempt to opt out (which is as it should be!) but the people in control of the bandwidth aren't held to it whatsoever. If they say "jump" then your host has to jump.

if you say that spamming doesn't require any real efforts then YOU HAVE NO IDEA of what you are talking about,
in the old days - maybe, but definately not now,

to get decent money from spamming you need to invest A LOT first, you need to be smart and put lots of effort into it
(decent money ~ 6 figs/mo)

Spam sux:glugglug

man u must hit me up, im doing less thant 6figs

spamming is bullshit, i would never do it.

i thought about putting together double opt in/4 free type programs but it would be too much hassle for me so i said fuck it.

no one here can start mailing if you new to it or never done it before, even if i give you free proxies/hosting you still will fail (99% of people will), so just move on and stick to submiting galleries heh

spaming is bullshit ? you telling me you wouldn't spam if you could pull $500-1000 per day ?

SPAM SUCK HARD TIME!

If you want to do it do it - if you don't want to do it don't do it but don't be a hypocrite by telling everybody you are a spammer but making anti spam statements all the time. :2 cents:

I get a few spam mails every day and I don't care, I also don't care about those retards who catch spyware/search bars/whatever but can't remove them.Fucking over some morons internet experience?Who cares, the net wasn't made for those people.

spamming = most profitable business for us programmers :)

A. you can sell your software for a high price

B. you keep your software private and make all teh monies yourself

only limits is imagination

so my answer is yes of course id do it, anyone who needs a programmer do put their ideas to life.. im your guy :winkwink:

Just for general information, www.AdminShop.com is run by both Odin and myself in a partnership, and the ICQ number provided on that site is mine, not his. Odin's ICQ is 344709237.

A bunch of people contacted me on ICQ believing I am Odin, so I felt I had to mention this.

You guys are selling a hitbot? :eek7

Huh?Ref spammer isn't a hitbot.