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buldog · 08-24-2004, 06:34 AM

Hi,

What nobody expected occurred? http://www.buldog.com and http://www.bulldog.com both domain names based on common names and very popular are incorrectly claimed to be used in bad faith by the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. In spite of the commitment from Network Solutions to block the web pages till the outcome of the Dutch court the two domains are unexpected transferred and blocked to the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. The claim is submitted after more than 4 years when I started the web pages. There are more than 800 other registered Bulldog trademarks in more than 20 countries. All activities are meanwhile transferred to http://www.bulldoglist.com.

Let me know if you have any questions. Webmasters can contact me by webmaster at bulldoglist.com

Thx,
Olof

MickeyG · 08-24-2004, 06:40 AM

that sucks, I'm sorry to hear. I liked your traffic

Jakke PNG · 08-24-2004, 06:43 AM

That's not right.

strobi · 08-24-2004, 06:43 AM

OUCHHHHHHHhhh.... you took a big hit there! Reminds me to secure some trademarks!

Pornopat · 08-24-2004, 06:48 AM

Sorry to hear that dude.

GTS Mark · 08-24-2004, 06:50 AM

Very sorry to hear that Olof, thank you however for the years of great traffic you sent to my galleries!

DH

cayne · 08-24-2004, 06:51 AM

Damn, that sucks. I hate these trademark issues...

Fake Nick · 08-24-2004, 06:52 AM

thats just bullshit ! bulldog = generic no one should be allowed to enforce trademarks on that

it is not like they made the term up !

steffie · 08-24-2004, 06:55 AM

Here is some food for thought

Lets go and register a big Adult Site name for a trade mark for underwear, or sportsteam

than go to court 4 years after they have their site

Take their site away

Why bother paying eh?

NiteRain · 08-24-2004, 06:57 AM

Dude I feel for you, actually got kind of the same email, from realtor.org, but they wanted to know if I was accredited with them or not. Sucks.

Reak · 08-24-2004, 07:01 AM

Fuck that's bad man

Lee · 08-24-2004, 08:28 AM

Hmm you should look up the verdict on the WIPO case of polo.com and get your lawyer onto it.

brand0n · 08-24-2004, 08:32 AM

you should so be able to beat this. way 2 generic.

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 08:36 AM

So if someone has a trademark for that name in any country of the world, they can grab your domain from you?

Martin · 08-24-2004, 08:39 AM

Damn sorry to hear that.

brand0n · 08-24-2004, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
So if someone has a trademark for that name in any country of the world, they can grab your domain from you?

no

think about that for a sec. you dont think men magazine owns a trade mark on men, but do you think KRL is about to give up his baby men.com ? what about sex, ofcourse someone has trademarked sex by now, but im sure sex.com isnt about to hand over that jem.

Mike AI · 08-24-2004, 08:41 AM

Sounds like you got screwed. Might want to invest in a better attorney.

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
no

think about that for a sec. you dont think men magazine owns a trade mark on men, but do you think KRL is about to give up his baby men.com ? what about sex, ofcourse someone has trademarked sex by now, but im sure sex.com isnt about to hand over that jem.

Yes, I'm aware that words like sex or men can't be trademarked, but he said that the people who got his domain have the Dutch trademark for Bull Dog, maybe Dutch trademark laws allow it

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 08:44 AM

Olof, are you Dutch

Lee · 08-24-2004, 08:59 AM

Ok, so you have been stuffed at WIPO:

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/deci...2004-0174.html

I had a quick look and saw that the panelist (sole) seemed to use the Benelux trademark laws as you are both resident there, however that seems a bit strange considering it was a .com domain. I could understand it more if it was a .nl.

BTW is your lawyer a specialist in internet law?

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 09:05 AM

Quote:

both parties are domiciled in the Netherlands

This part is what might have really nailed you. I wonder if you weren't domiciled in the Netherlands, if they would have been able to take this domain from you? hmmmm

JamesK2 · 08-24-2004, 09:11 AM

That sucks, man

fr33s3x · 08-24-2004, 09:13 AM

Isn't Bulldog some kind of coffeeshop in Amsterdam ?
I'm sorry to hear that man.. Take care

European Lee · 08-24-2004, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
Sounds like you got screwed. Might want to invest in a better attorney.

Nah these keyboard attorneys will set him on the right path

Regards,

Lee

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 09:18 AM

Quote:

the website <buldog.com> handles about 1,000,000 visits per day; that since June 8, 2001, there have been more than 518,000,000 visits; and, that the reported turnover for 2003, is ? 76,000.00.

hmmmm

Snake Doctor · 08-24-2004, 09:25 AM

That's a bad beat Olof.
Something like this they could have at least given you 30 days notice or something so you could redirect all the traffic to your other domain.

I don't know anything about Dutch law but here in the U.S. we'd be suing someone's ass off

justsexxx · 08-24-2004, 09:26 AM

Hi,

Not aure if you have a good attorney yet, is not, I can recommend you http://www.solv.nl/

We have great experience with them, and so had dialxs, kazaa, and some other p2p networks.

They also have patent/trademarks specialists there.

Andre

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 09:33 AM

Because you only live 30 minutes from The Bulldog Cafe in Amsterdam, it seems unlikely that you had no prior knowledge of their trademark when you registered the domain.

I'd say that fact made it much easier for them to prove that you registered the domain in bad faith. It would have been much more difficult if you were from Australia or somewhere far away and had never visited Amsterdam before.

Lee · 08-24-2004, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
Because you only live 30 minutes from The Bulldog Cafe in Amsterdam, it seems unlikely that you had no prior knowledge of their trademark when you registered the domain.

I'd say that fact made it much easier for them to prove that you registered the domain in bad faith. It would have been much more difficult if you were from Australia or somewhere far away and had never visited Amsterdam before.

thats quite tenuous...he could have named it in honour of his dog that he had as a twelve year old.

This is a bad decision owing to the generic nature of the words in my albeit not worth much opinion.

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee
thats quite tenuous...he could have named it in honour of his dog that he had as a twelve year old.

This is a bad decision owing to the generic nature of the words in my albeit not worth much opinion.

What if his dog's name was McDonald's or Coca-Cola? Would that make it ok to use a domain with those words in it?

Lee · 08-24-2004, 09:47 AM

Potentially, Mcdonalds yes, Coca Cola no.

Mcdonald is a common name of Scottish origin.

Coca Cola is a created name by a company.

Cola should be ok though....

Lee · 08-24-2004, 09:53 AM

But of course money talks and smaller fish get fucked.

pimpin · 08-24-2004, 09:58 AM

A trademark doesn't give ANYONE exclusivity over a domain or exclusivity to use the term in another business practice. You can have 1800 companies all using the name bulldog as long as they don't deal in the same sort of business. CLEARLY you don't with these guys. They probably were just pissed and jealous

This is so total BS. . . Too bad it can't be overturned . . . . Or can it. I'd suggest you call John Berryhill. . . .(Look his name up at any site dealing with domains. . . .he has many wins defending Ultsearch among others )
, Ari Golderger (www.esqwire.com) or David Dingeman (cyberights.com)

By the way I used to own thebulldog.com sold it to a company in NL . . . HMMMMM I think I got 2k

Roald · 08-24-2004, 10:02 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...t=buldog .com

Thats pretty fucked up man, hope this will work out for you.

BRISK · 08-24-2004, 10:04 AM

I do agree that the word "BULLDOG" is very generic, and it's questionable whether it should have been given trademark protection.

Basic_man · 08-24-2004, 10:07 AM

That suck hard time !

Corona · 08-24-2004, 11:30 AM

That sucks big time.

Doctor Dre · 08-24-2004, 11:38 AM

WTF it's a generic name . They should never have won this ...

KCat · 08-24-2004, 02:17 PM

That's horrible. 4 years of hard work...I hope there's something you can do to get the decision reversed.

buldog · 08-25-2004, 12:56 AM

I thank you all for the suggestions and shown support. But given the nature of this matter as well as the started legal actions from me against trademark owner The Bulldog I must respectfully decline from discussing in this matter. I trust you all understand.

Thx,
Olof

xxxdesign-net · 08-25-2004, 01:01 AM

Do you accept any gallery submission to your TGP..? Last time I try at buldog.com .. the email adress wasnt working... Let me know..

Good Luck..

stereolab · 08-25-2004, 01:02 AM

that's fucking horseshit.

Marie · 08-25-2004, 01:07 AM

Good luck Olof!!!!

Illicit · 08-25-2004, 01:15 AM

that fucking blows man... good luck on getting it back...

s9ann0 · 08-25-2004, 01:17 AM

thats fucked up I don't believe I soked there I'd fly out there go in the place and kickoff

monster310 · 08-25-2004, 01:18 AM

I will make sure to spit on the window of the BullDog cafe next time I am in Amsterdam. That is complete BS.

adultentertainment · 08-25-2004, 01:23 AM

FUCKING BULLSHIT

Mike Dutch · 08-25-2004, 01:33 AM

Sorry to hear that Olof,

Gonna give u a call right now, see if we can help

s9ann0 · 08-25-2004, 01:36 AM

where are you based olof?

SomeCreep · 08-25-2004, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by buldog
Hi,

What nobody expected occurred? http://www.buldog.com and http://www.bulldog.com both domain names based on common names and very popular are incorrectly claimed to be used in bad faith by the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. In spite of the commitment from Network Solutions to block the web pages till the outcome of the Dutch court the two domains are unexpected transferred and blocked to the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. The claim is submitted after more than 4 years when I started the web pages. There are more than 800 other registered Bulldog trademarks in more than 20 countries. All activities are meanwhile transferred to http://www.bulldoglist.com.

Let me know if you have any questions. Webmasters can contact me by webmaster at bulldoglist.com

Thx,
Olof

Wow, thats harash. Make sure to fight this all the way to the end in court. "Bull dog" is way too generic to claim ownership of and take away your domains.

08-24-2004, 06:34 AM	#1
buldog Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 115	What nobody expected occurred / buldog.com Hi, What nobody expected occurred? http://www.buldog.com and http://www.bulldog.com both domain names based on common names and very popular are incorrectly claimed to be used in bad faith by the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. In spite of the commitment from Network Solutions to block the web pages till the outcome of the Dutch court the two domains are unexpected transferred and blocked to the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. The claim is submitted after more than 4 years when I started the web pages. There are more than 800 other registered Bulldog trademarks in more than 20 countries. All activities are meanwhile transferred to http://www.bulldoglist.com. Let me know if you have any questions. Webmasters can contact me by webmaster at bulldoglist.com Thx, Olof

08-24-2004, 06:43 AM	#3
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08-24-2004, 06:51 AM	#7
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08-24-2004, 06:55 AM	#9
steffie Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains, far far away Posts: 2,422	Here is some food for thought Lets go and register a big Adult Site name for a trade mark for underwear, or sportsteam than go to court 4 years after they have their site Take their site away Why bother paying eh? __________________ Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

08-24-2004, 06:40 AM	#2
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08-24-2004, 06:43 AM	#4
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	OUCHHHHHHHhhh.... you took a big hit there! Reminds me to secure some trademarks!

08-24-2004, 06:50 AM	#6
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Very sorry to hear that Olof, thank you however for the years of great traffic you sent to my galleries! DH

08-24-2004, 06:52 AM	#8
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	thats just bullshit ! bulldog = generic no one should be allowed to enforce trademarks on that it is not like they made the term up !

08-24-2004, 06:57 AM	#10
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08-24-2004, 07:01 AM	#11
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08-24-2004, 08:28 AM	#12
Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kernow Posts: 2,977	Hmm you should look up the verdict on the WIPO case of polo.com and get your lawyer onto it.

08-24-2004, 08:32 AM	#13
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08-24-2004, 08:36 AM	#14
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	So if someone has a trademark for that name in any country of the world, they can grab your domain from you? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

08-24-2004, 08:39 AM	#15
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08-24-2004, 08:41 AM	#17
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08-24-2004, 08:44 AM	#19
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Olof, are you Dutch __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

08-24-2004, 08:59 AM	#20
Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kernow Posts: 2,977	Ok, so you have been stuffed at WIPO: http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/deci...2004-0174.html I had a quick look and saw that the panelist (sole) seemed to use the Benelux trademark laws as you are both resident there, however that seems a bit strange considering it was a .com domain. I could understand it more if it was a .nl. BTW is your lawyer a specialist in internet law?

08-24-2004, 09:11 AM	#22
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08-24-2004, 09:13 AM	#23
fr33s3x Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,064	Isn't Bulldog some kind of coffeeshop in Amsterdam ? I'm sorry to hear that man.. Take care __________________

08-24-2004, 09:25 AM	#26
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	That's a bad beat Olof. Something like this they could have at least given you 30 days notice or something so you could redirect all the traffic to your other domain. I don't know anything about Dutch law but here in the U.S. we'd be suing someone's ass off __________________ sig too big

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08-24-2004, 09:33 AM	#28
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Because you only live 30 minutes from The Bulldog Cafe in Amsterdam, it seems unlikely that you had no prior knowledge of their trademark when you registered the domain. I'd say that fact made it much easier for them to prove that you registered the domain in bad faith. It would have been much more difficult if you were from Australia or somewhere far away and had never visited Amsterdam before. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

08-24-2004, 09:47 AM	#31
Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kernow Posts: 2,977	Potentially, Mcdonalds yes, Coca Cola no. Mcdonald is a common name of Scottish origin. Coca Cola is a created name by a company. Cola should be ok though....

08-24-2004, 09:53 AM	#32
Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kernow Posts: 2,977	But of course money talks and smaller fish get fucked.

08-24-2004, 09:58 AM	#33
pimpin Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 565	A trademark doesn't give ANYONE exclusivity over a domain or exclusivity to use the term in another business practice. You can have 1800 companies all using the name bulldog as long as they don't deal in the same sort of business. CLEARLY you don't with these guys. They probably were just pissed and jealous This is so total BS. . . Too bad it can't be overturned . . . . Or can it. I'd suggest you call John Berryhill. . . .(Look his name up at any site dealing with domains. . . .he has many wins defending Ultsearch among others ) , Ari Golderger (www.esqwire.com) or David Dingeman (cyberights.com) By the way I used to own thebulldog.com sold it to a company in NL . . . HMMMMM I think I got 2k __________________ ---------------------------------

08-24-2004, 10:02 AM	#34
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08-24-2004, 10:04 AM	#35
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	I do agree that the word "BULLDOG" is very generic, and it's questionable whether it should have been given trademark protection. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

08-24-2004, 10:07 AM	#36
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08-25-2004, 12:56 AM	#40
buldog Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 115	I thank you all for the suggestions and shown support. But given the nature of this matter as well as the started legal actions from me against trademark owner The Bulldog I must respectfully decline from discussing in this matter. I trust you all understand. Thx, Olof

08-25-2004, 01:01 AM	#41
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Do you accept any gallery submission to your TGP..? Last time I try at buldog.com .. the email adress wasnt working... Let me know.. Good Luck..

08-25-2004, 01:02 AM	#42
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08-25-2004, 01:07 AM	#43
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