Mad Thumbs New Policy - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

the Shemp · 08-22-2004, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
are you 100% sure that this is the case?

I am thinking of Google Images and alike:
http://images.google.com/images?q=ha...ie=UTF-8&hl=en

I assume they have no 2257 for those thumbs

- 50 softcore TGPs -

if its on your page, you are responsible for it...

stocktrader23 · 08-22-2004, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madthumbs
BTW guys .. I know there is a chance that nothing will come of this ... but honestly ...

#1 - I have a TGP with easy access to hardcore content.
#2 - It's huge and is well known
#3 - I display hardcore images that the DOJ knows I dont have documentation for.

So I mean .. it would be a very high risk for me as a US citizen to not at least take some steps to protect myself.

I know most people are going to 'Sit back and wait and see where this goes ...' ... but in my posistion I can NOT do this ...

I'm a likely candidate for one of the first inspections ... so there is no room for seeing where it goes .. either I take the steps to protect my interests, or I take a huge chance of losing everything Ive worked for.

I hope you fuckers understand ;-)

Don't worry, anyone with a brain knows where you are coming from. Good move.

Shoehorn! · 08-22-2004, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beemk
please visit http://www.hop.com/

www.ihop.com is also amusing.

Far-L · 08-22-2004, 07:03 PM

Madthumbs: I congratulate your foresight and integrity.

I for one think all free content that minors might have access to should be softcore. Our site is very hardcore but we have always done better with soft ads anyway.

FelixOne · 08-22-2004, 07:15 PM

Softcore is not a solution ..
"it is not safe to assume that your content is immune from prosecution merely because it involves ?simple? nudity or heterosexual content. Simply stated: There is no ?safe harbor.?"

But I think each webmaster know about own legal risks. I will follow the new mad rules

Felix

the Shemp · 08-22-2004, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FelixOne
Softcore is not a solution ..
"it is not safe to assume that your content is immune from prosecution merely because it involves ?simple? nudity or heterosexual content. Simply stated: There is no ?safe harbor.?"

But I think each webmaster know about own legal risks. I will follow the new mad rules

Felix

use the JC Penny catalog as your benchmark...

stocktrader23 · 08-22-2004, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FelixOne
Softcore is not a solution ..
"it is not safe to assume that your content is immune from prosecution merely because it involves ?simple? nudity or heterosexual content. Simply stated: There is no ?safe harbor.?"

But I think each webmaster know about own legal risks. I will follow the new mad rules

Felix

You're right. I think I'll start a thumb tgp that only shows triple penetration on the thumbs...since it's just as risky as softcore and all.

FlyingIguana · 08-22-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
The guy is freaking out a little or what ? The resolution haven't even been adopted

maybe a bit too quick but all thumb tgp's will have to do the same(if they're US based)

Living For Today · 08-22-2004, 07:39 PM

I think its a good idea to increase clickthroughs.

grand · 08-22-2004, 07:46 PM

is it possible to get a partner account on madthumbs and network?

badmrfrosty · 08-22-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madthumbs
I'm talking about the thumbnail that they submit to me. I guess I need to send out another message to clarify.

And yes, it does make a difference legally. If my thumbnails that are shown on my TGP's are softcore, then they do not require 2257 documents to be stored by me.

And no, I'm not freaking out. If the time comes that people are being prosecuted for hardcore thumbnails with no 2257 documents, then I am completely wacked. I want to have a database of softcore thumbnails available so that I won't lose all of my traffic.

Thumb tgps do better when the thumbnails are softcore .. Any big thumb tgp owner will tell you that. The prod automatically increases because people click more to see if the chick is getting fucked .. or what's going on .. If its all put out there in the thumbnail then they may not click as much.

How does one get a partner account on MadThumbs :-)

BMF

EviLGuY · 08-22-2004, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rambozo
I just got this e-mail from the honcho over at Mad Thumbs-

Due to the new 2257 regulations, as of Tuesday, August 24th I
request that *ALL* thumbnails be *SOFTCORE*. This means that they can not
show any insertion or sexual touching. This means no dildos, fingering,
spreading the pussy, fucking, dicks in a girls mouth, etc. Just nudity etc
is ok. I prefer clean face shots as well.
>
> Please do not push the envelope because if I feel that you are even
getting close to the line I *will* remove your partner account and delete
all of your old galleries. 2257 is a very serious situation and I must put
forth these rules to proect myself, and as a submitter who recieves free
traffic, you are required to follow them. Also, I am not inititally
requiring a 2257 link on your galleries, however it would be a very good
idea to begin including that. It wil be for your protection as well as my
own.

Sounds like a good idea anyways.. more softcore and less hardcore means more slaes for everyone.

BarneyRubble · 08-22-2004, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madthumbs
You can give me your username and I'll go ahead and delete your account since your an asshole ;-) ...

Although there was no clear answer in Miami ... I talked to a few lawyers and several knowledable people ...

If a gallery is non-compliant and doesn't have the 2257 link that shows the Custodian of Records, and I am linking to it, I could potentially be prosecuted for 'aiding and abiding' .. so to put it in laymens terms, I would be gulity by association.

The lawyers said that based on the law, the DOJ very well could come after me for that ... but that's the thign they have the least chance of getting me for since it is simply linking.

Well I have so many sponsors I use, and so many sites I submit to, PARDON ME for not remembering off top of my head that you allow 30 outbound links

I thought I had a very legitamate query ... most sites have very strict limits on the number of out-going links, and I think if site owners are going to DEMAND that we place this on our galleries (even though we do not even begin to qualify as "secondary publishers"), that it is only fair that the outgoing link total be increased on sites that only allow 6 outgoing links to begin with.

To be honest, if a site I submit to cannot do at least that for me, then I would be inclined to remove them from my submit list.
Can you please explain to me why that makes me an asshole?

You hurt my feelings Mike

grand · 08-22-2004, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BarneyRubble
Well I have so many sponsors I use, and so many sites I submit to, PARDON ME for not remembering off top of my head that you allow 30 outbound links

I thought I had a very legitamate query ... most sites have very strict limits on the number of out-going links, and I think if site owners are going to DEMAND that we place this on our galleries (even though we do not even begin to qualify as "secondary publishers"), that it is only fair that the outgoing link total be increased on sites that only allow 6 outgoing links to begin with.

To be honest, if a site I submit to cannot do at least that for me, then I would be inclined to remove them from my submit list.
Can you please explain to me why that makes me an asshole?

You hurt my feelings Mike

If your not going to submit anymore I'll replace you

GTS Mark · 08-22-2004, 08:35 PM

Mike has put alot of thought into this decision and trust me it was not a quick one.

I think the measures that he is instituting will set a trend in the TGP thumb market and most likely several other sites will follow suit.

If any advertisers on Madthumbs have any questions in regards to these policies please feel free to contact myself or Cameron. We would be glad to answer any questions you may have

Thanks,
DH

TheMob · 08-22-2004, 08:37 PM

it will be interesting to see what will happen in the next 6 months

KCat · 08-22-2004, 09:15 PM

Good move giving webmasters some time to adjust to the new rules.

Hopefully more TGP owners will start adjusting rules as well to allow for the 2257 link at the bottom.

baddog · 08-22-2004, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the Shemp
use the JC Penny catalog as your benchmark...

baddog · 08-22-2004, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BarneyRubble
(even though we do not even begin to qualify as "secondary publishers"),

you're incorrect . . . but that is because you are using a dictionary instead of a lawyer to define "secondary publisher."

madthumbs · 08-22-2004, 09:55 PM

Yea anyone who inserts content onto a website is classified as a secondary producer now.

Xenophage · 08-22-2004, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
maybe a bit too quick but all thumb tgp's will have to do the same(if they're US based)

And there is the rub. Non Us based TGPs and websites are quickly becoming advantaged over US based companies and sites. Watch the traffic flow offshore if this trend is the wave of the future.

But good for mike for taking the first leap into the void, I applaud his integrity !

xxxjay · 08-22-2004, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madthumbs
BTW guys .. I know there is a chance that nothing will come of this ... but honestly ...

#1 - I have a TGP with easy access to hardcore content.
#2 - It's huge and is well known
#3 - I display hardcore images that the DOJ knows I dont have documentation for.

So I mean .. it would be a very high risk for me as a US citizen to not at least take some steps to protect myself.

I know most people are going to 'Sit back and wait and see where this goes ...' ... but in my posistion I can NOT do this ...

I'm a likely candidate for one of the first inspections ... so there is no room for seeing where it goes .. either I take the steps to protect my interests, or I take a huge chance of losing everything Ive worked for.

I hope you fuckers understand ;-)

Totally smart.

The regs don't go in effect tomorrow, but the Feds would love to push the secondary producer thing in someplace like Kentucky.

johnuk · 08-23-2004, 04:33 AM

How about censored hardcore (the good bits pixilated out) like the Japanese use, would that sort of thing be acceptable?

cayne · 08-23-2004, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by beemk
i dont think he means the thumbs on your gallery, the thumbs that you submit that he hosts on his own server. i dont see any problem here.

yap. that's what he means.

Corona · 08-23-2004, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnuk
How about censored hardcore (the good bits pixilated out) like the Japanese use, would that sort of thing be acceptable?

I could be wrong on this but I don't believe that will make any difference.

Za Ha · 08-23-2004, 07:31 AM

I see nothing wrong with this decision.
Softcore thumbs give better prod too.
Good decision

cosis · 08-23-2004, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Totally smart.

The regs don't go in effect tomorrow, but the Feds would love to push the secondary producer thing in someplace like Kentucky.

yet another advantage of living in KY

jimmyf · 08-23-2004, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober

this proposed 2257 shit has everyone freaking out for nothing imho

yep and yep

SetTheWorldonFire · 08-23-2004, 07:51 PM

This is a great move

LadyMischief · 08-23-2004, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FelixOne
Softcore is not a solution ..
"it is not safe to assume that your content is immune from prosecution merely because it involves ?simple? nudity or heterosexual content. Simply stated: There is no ?safe harbor.?"

But I think each webmaster know about own legal risks. I will follow the new mad rules

Felix

I don't think anywhere did Mike state that this would make him immune..he's taking extra precautions and that's a good thing for everyone involved.. Better softcore thumbs with a MUCH decreased chance of being the victim of a witchhunt, fly below the radar than potentially losing everything, not only for himself but for his partners and paid listings, no?

Garou · 08-24-2004, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cosis
I only have softcore so I am happy with this

1) softcore or hardcore - who cares? It would really help a TGP if the thumbs are not explicit at all. I mean simply innocent faces on them.
2) what about linking to explicit galleries? That is also prosecuted. Gallery makers with no docs proving 2257 compliance will be the next target?
3) why not host ur sites in europe?

Marcin · 08-25-2004, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corona
I could be wrong on this but I don't believe that will make any difference.

Exactly it doesn?t change anything:

http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...904/page4.html

08-22-2004, 07:03 PM	#54
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08-22-2004, 09:15 PM	#67
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08-23-2004, 07:51 PM	#79
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08-22-2004, 07:15 PM	#55
FelixOne Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2	Softcore is not a solution .. "it is not safe to assume that your content is immune from prosecution merely because it involves ?simple? nudity or heterosexual content. Simply stated: There is no ?safe harbor.?" But I think each webmaster know about own legal risks. I will follow the new mad rules Felix

08-22-2004, 07:39 PM	#59
Living For Today Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,970	I think its a good idea to increase clickthroughs.

08-22-2004, 08:35 PM	#65
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Mike has put alot of thought into this decision and trust me it was not a quick one. I think the measures that he is instituting will set a trend in the TGP thumb market and most likely several other sites will follow suit. If any advertisers on Madthumbs have any questions in regards to these policies please feel free to contact myself or Cameron. We would be glad to answer any questions you may have Thanks, DH

08-22-2004, 08:37 PM	#66
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	it will be interesting to see what will happen in the next 6 months

08-22-2004, 09:55 PM	#70
madthumbs Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 339	Yea anyone who inserts content onto a website is classified as a secondary producer now.

08-23-2004, 07:31 AM	#76
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	I see nothing wrong with this decision. Softcore thumbs give better prod too. Good decision