What about a host?

[torny]

Hi there!

i need a reliable unl both space + bandwith host for my pics

know any 1 ?

thanks
cya

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[timinator]

However I own it partially I strongly recommend <A HREF="http://www.iephosting.net/" TARGET="_blank">IEP hosting</A>!

We (me and my associate) are in the adult website scene for a while now and because of lack of good hosting services we started a hosting provider ourselves. We're especially great for high traffic (adult) sites.

Come take a look at <A HREF="http://www.iephosting.net/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.iephosting.net/</A> or contact me:
- ICQ: 29354876
- E-mail: [email protected]

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[torny]

i am sorry but i dont wanna pay, i already have my own ded server, check the prices of my actual host http://www.dynamichosting.com/
you will get hard to beat them

thanks
cya

[tha_timinator]

Hi,

Yeah I know their prices are hard to beat but you must know prices aren't most important... If you have a little experience in this scene you should know that speed is extremely important in order to guarantee a fast growth and good money-making!

And as far as I know we have the fastest network out there (we're very fast as well in Europe as well in America), we also are very reliable and all that for a very reasonable pricing!

It's very simple; a Mercedes also is more expensive than a Fiat... the same with hosting... if you want the best (us! ) you'll have to pay a little more...

Hoping to have convinced you


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[Slick]

I'll have to Admit, Tha Timinator is right as far as the speed goes, IEP is about 70ms faster than Dynamic from where I'm at and it's about 120 faster than my server, Mesanet, he he.

I guess that speed does matter, but I guess that it all depends on how much of a price difference there is. Looking at IEP's plan, they give 300gb per month for $895 with only 500mb of storage, where, with Dynamic you can get 300gb per month with 9 GIGS of storage (well, less than that with server files, but close to 9) for $575 per month. That's $320 cheaper and you have 8 GIGS of extra storage space.

Looking at those 2 plans, I'd have to pick Dynamic Hosting. Sure IEP is about 70ms faster, but that's not enough of a difference for me to pay $320 per month extra and lost out on 8 extra gigs of storage.

Well, that's my 2 cents on the matter, he he. Have a good night !

Slick

[Rictor]

So you are looking for free hosting, torny? How about porncity.net, sexshare.com, sexplanets, etc. etc. There are dozens of free hosts out there.

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[tha_timinator]

Hi Slick,

For guys who wanna buy 300GB and A LOT OF diskspace (and 9GB I call a lot ) can be arranged a special price ofcourse!

We are a very flexible company; with real BIG clients we can always talk about a special deal!

The prices on our site are just to give an indication. And because most of our clients hardly need any diskspace we decided to sell accounts with standard low diskspace amounts. If someone _really_ needs some space he can always talk to us about that!

Anyway; the growth of my own sites has been boosted after I put it on our server, I also make a nice percentage more money out of a same amount of traffic... now that's what I call important!

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[This message has been edited by tha_timinator (edited 02-10-2001).]

[tha_timinator]

Also important to know:

Dynamic Hosting's speed in the USA is pretty reasonable... if they would have had that speed all over the world I probably would have joined them too instead of setting up my own hosting provider

But the problem with Dynamic Hosting is they're pretty damn slow everywhere outside the US... And knowing that only about 50% of the visitors is from the USA you can easy see that 50% is entering your site with a very slow connection...

IEP hosting on the other side is very fast from all over the world!! (you can test it yourself through the different visualroutes).

And believe me; speed does _really_ matter, even more than I could imagine before I experienced it myself.

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[Slick]

Hey Timinator, are the servers that you offer also virtual accounts ?? I'm just wondering because usually when you get a dedicated server, there's usually at least one 9gig drives on the system.

I myself am setup on a plan with Mesanet which gives me 1200 gigs/month and I have dual 9 gig hard drives on my server.

I was actually gonna switch over to Dynamic Hosting because of the great deals that they have and their network was a tad faster, but got cold feet because I've been with Mesanet for like a year and a half now and my sites have always been up and running and they have a decent network for speed, so when it came time to making the jump, I was afraid to leave them because everything always ran smoothly. THEN Mesanet came back and almost matched what Dynamic's deal, so then there was no way that I could leave them, he he he.

I guess that life is about taking chances to get better things, but where I'm at now, it ain't broke, so I'm not gonna fix it, he he he.

As far as your prices go. I can see your point about the prices. I guess that you probably can't really give out a quote until you know exactly what that person wants, then you go from there with it. I guess that everyone has room for wheeling and dealing, he he.

Slick



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[my6com]

>>And because most of our clients hardly need any diskspace we decided to sell accounts with standard low diskspace amounts

/tha_timinator

Agree the transfer cost is the important thing to look at, and the speed

Regards

my6

[tha_timinator]

Yes indeed my6com, diskspace you can get everywhere for free... content doesn't necessarily need to be hosted very fast, but your mainpages need to!!

So our clients mostly only host their mainpages at our hosting service... (many of their sites consist out of nothing more actually )

And Slick; we currently in principle only offer virtual hosting because we don't see many reasons for offering dedicated hosting. A virtual hosting account at a good server is for 90% of the webmasters a better solution than a dedicated server... Anyway; I haven't thought of any reason yet why dedicated should be preferable over virtual...

For extremely big clients dedicated hosting or colocation is ofcourse the only possibility but in those case we dó offer it; it all depends on the wishes of the client!

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[Slick]

Yeah, I can see your point there about the virtual hosting, but like for me, it's not the way to go. I have 5 domains, soon to be 6 and if I had to pay for that many virtual accounts, that'd cost a bit more. Plus with the bandwidth that my sites go through, I just believe that it's better to have a dedicated server.

Also if a dedicated server is pretty much the same, if not cheaper than virtual accounts, why not have a dedicated server running your sites ???

As far as just posting mainpages on a server and putting content on free servers, that is a great idea to cut costs, but I'm a picky person, he he. Even if it's gonna cost me more to have my content on my server in terms of burning through more bandwidth, I believe that it's worth it to make a bigger impression on the person that's visiting my site, even though once they're in my galleries, I'm not gonna make much money from them.

Overall though, I think that for someone that doesn't have a stable of sites that virtual accounts are the way to go and you do have a fast network, so if I were looking, I'd definately be looking your way. You do have a nice fast network on your end.

Slick

[Ivanhoe]

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[Much0S]

Hey All,

I'm Tim's associate - we two provide you the blazing speeds @ www.iephosting.net

I wanted to clarify something here: From all the webmasters I know (and that amount is BIG!) only a handfull of them need dedicated servers. The reason for them needing a dedicated server is that they develop scripts and therefor need complete control over the complete server (need root access). These guys usually know what they're doing and have pretty good Unix knowledge.

However almost everyone else believes that just because they have 4 or 5 sites or just because they have 300 or more GB's of traffic each month they have to have a dedicated. Well in fact this is plane wrong!

Why? I'll try to explain, it's early in the morning and i'm just awake not having any breakfast yet, so plz bear with me

- First off having a dedicated usually means having a year contract. This is I think a large bargain. Sure if the server is good and linespeed is good all is good, but what if it's not? Then you're stuck with a slow connection for A FULL YEAR!

- Second off having a dedicated server usually also means having a lot more responsability: YOU have to be aware of the latest exlpoits, YOU have to look around to see if somebody has hacked your system, YOU have to do updates, etc etc etc. Ofcourse most dedicated server-providers also provide you a Unix administrator for the most humble costs of $150 an hour... Obviously this is not the way to go

- Third a dedicated host is never ever cheaper than virtual host - why? Well first off it's because of the hardware and second it's much more troublesome to provide dedicated servers (you need a lot of space, lot's of lines, lot's of switches and one bitch of a router)... Easy to see that this causes more downtime and slower responses (in line connectivity)

- Fourth: if you come to a GOOD hosting company, like us , virtual hosting will be so much better dan dedicated, because WE do everything for you! We manage the server, we are obliged to keep it running at optimum performance, we keep hackers out, apply the latest patches, etc etc etc. Ofcourse we don't overcrowd are servers, we think that quality is more important than price. That's why we are a little more expensive than the most cheapest out there, but on the other hand we have great speed, stability and service ..

I guess that was it - in summary a dedicated server is overkill for 99% of the ppl. and probably will cause them more hassle than if they were to host with just a good virtual host like ourself. Ofcourse if somebody would like to have their own dedicated with us that can be arranged We're flexible.

Last thing: i don't know if you guys are a little bit in the 'new-economy' thing but one of the most principal and important rules of it is to keep your head with your 'core-business'... Your core-business is obviously to make webpages. If you start using dedicated hosts your core-business will no longer be only to make webpages but also to host as well... Ofcourse this is not the right way to do it; out-sourcing is best (don't take my word for it, look at major companies, for instance CNN webpage uses akamai to speed it up; they could easily set up such a thing up themselves, but they don't because it's not their core-business; it's not their thing; it's not their specialty, so they leave it to the pro's)

W*O*W this has become a large message

Anyways: Slick contact me on icq 2227869 or at [email protected] so we can offer you an offer you can't refuse

BTW: Everyone is welcome ofcourse

Am gonna get some breakfast now ttyl.

[Ivanhoe]

When you do need a dedicated server with a good speed. Please visit http://www.adult-host.nl

Regards Ivanhoe

[Much0S]

One more thing I forgot to mention: dedicated servers have dedicated lines - and contrary to popular believe it's not sufficient to have the line capacity for the traffic you use.

With this i mean: if you want to have 300GB of transfer each month it's insufficient to have a 1 MBit line - why? Because a 1 MBit line has a MAXIMUM capacity of 300GB's a month - that means that if you continuesly push your 1 MBit line to its max you get 300GB's a month.

Now with normal traffic has peaks - so if you would want to have 300GB's of traffic a month you should get at least 50% more line to be sure to cover all peaks.

So instead of a 1 MBit line you must buy a 1.5 MBit (or sometimes even a 2MBit depending on your traffic) line to cover all the peaks, if you want to be not as slow as shit that is

This is an item lot's of ppl forget when ordering their server.... But it really should be taken into account.

[Ivanhoe]

When you buy or lease a dedicated server at http://www.adult-host.nl , every server gets it`s own 100Mbit burst. So no need to worry about a 1Mbit line for each server.

Regards Ivanhoe

[Slick]

WOW Much0S, I'm sorry, but I have to comment on your message. I think that you're missing some points when you talk about dedicated hosting.

The first thing is that MOST dedicated servers are setup on some sort of a burst, so if bandwidth does soar up, sites would never slow down. That's never a worry for me. Pretty much with virual accounts, you're just buying an account on a dedicated server, so you're pretty much STILL on a dedicated server right, but you're just sharing everything with a bunch of other people.

Then you mention maitinence. I've got my server through Mesanet and I NEVER had to pay them a penny extra for work on the thing, nor have I had to do anything myself. They do all of the work. That's how pretty much what every dedicated host will do for you. You make it sound like when you get a dedicated server, you have all of this extra work to do with it. I can't even tell a difference with my dedicated server, I just FTP into my account and that's it. They worry about the hackers and everything else, not me.

Next point is that you talk about the prices of dedicated hosts. Well if you look at Dynamic Hosting's prices, you'll see that for $575 per month, you can get 300 gigs per month and 9 gigs of storage. Well even if you forget the storage and look at the bandwidth, that's still a cheaper price than IEP. I looked at your site and I know that Tim says that all prices are negotiable, but on your site, with 25 megs of storage and 300 gigs per month, your price is $802 PER MONTH, that's $227 MORE per month with only 25 megs of storage. That's quite a difference. Why not post reasonable prices on your site that are real then rather than posting really high prices, that's not gonna get people to wanna join up with you.

Ok, one other point that I have about dedicated servers is the fact that that you can pretty much add as many domains as you want to your server. I could put 50 domains on my server if I wanted to. Also, if I wanna build a new site, I can just register it and get it setup on my dedicated server and just build it up, only paying for the bandwidth that it burns rather than me going out and getting a virtual account with it. ALSO, since it is on a dedicated server, I can take my time with it, since I'm not paying extra for it, I can take 3 months to get it going if I wanted to and I wouldn't waste any money paying the monthly virtual account fees for it.

Ok, I guesss that you've got me on the point about the year contract for the dedicated server, that is one bad point about having a dedicated server, the year contract, BUT it all goes back to what do you need and how big are you. If you're gonna move your first site or two over from free acounts to domain, then it WOULDN'T be good to go with dedicated. If you have a FEW sites running that are established and you plan on being around for a while, then I'd consider dedicated. One other point is to CHECKOUT a server host before you do anything. Run some pings and trace routes on the server and ask around for recommendations, NEVER just jump into a server without hearing feedback from them first of all because like Tim says, you don't wanna get roped into a contract with a slow host.

I'm sorry for rambling on. Tim, I'm not trying to start anything with you, he he. I'm just trying to argue my point here, so don't take any of this as a fight against you because it's not. I'm just putting in my 2 cents on defending dedicated servers, he he.

Well, that's all that I have for now. I'm all typed out, he he he. What do some other people think about this subject ???

Slick

[This message has been edited by Slick (edited 02-11-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Slick (edited 02-11-2001).]

[Much0S]

First off with our virtual accounts you don't need a new account for each domain you want to host, so that evens out with a dedicated host.

Second if you want your server to be maintained, you do have to pay for it. Sometimes in monthly fees 1 or 2 hours administration is included, but thereafter you *do* pay...

The fact that you've never did any maintainance on your mesanet server does not mean that no maintainance is needed...

And for the 300gig's a month i tried to explain you: you are in fact mistaking... when you go with dedicated hosts like dynamichosting.com you buy LINECAPACITY and not TRANSFER... see it as a highway: if the highway would be fully utilitized throughout 24 hours a day then ofcourse lots of cars can pass. However this is not of interest to us: we all know high ways must have enough capacity for the peaks, or else we're stuk in traffic

It's the same with linecapacity - if you use 300GB's a month you can't buy a 1mbit line - you must look how much mbit is your peak, and buy enough linecapacity for your peak. In fact if you have for example 300gb's a month and you look at the dynamichosting.com table and look at the price of the account which is 1 bigger than the 300gb account (the 2 mbit account, which you NEED because you have to have enough capacity for your peaks) you'll see that it's gonna cost you $1050 a month - $248 more than our price.

And last but not least: we (both Tim and I ) started with telling you that we are NOT the cheapest out there. We don't WANT to be the cheapest out there. We want to be the BEST out there. And we've managed to be just that at pretty reasonable prices I think.

And last but not least: prices are negotiable for BIG amounts of traffic, over 300gb's a month that is - that's why those prices aren't listed... on diskstorage we can always work something out.

Again Slick i would challenge you to ICQ me (or tim) to see if we can make you an offer you can't refuse

M.

[Dyanna]

Sorry, but have to side with Slick on this one.

In addition to what he's mentioned, in my opinion the #1 reason for a dedicated is the simplest one of all - you DON'T share it with anyone. We had a virtual account when we first started and shared it with other sites. Well guess what - one of those sites pulled a fast one and was getting so much traffic they were using all the server resources. Meanwhile, while there was nothing wrong with my site, or even the server, my site was unreachable.

[Much0S]

Dyanna: that's not the fault of a virtual account but of your webhost provider! They should be monitoring their servers for abuse (as we ofcourse do)...

All ppl having a dedicated for such reasons simply must understand that not all virtual accounts work that way. In fact most virtual accounts don't work that way. Probably what happened to you was mainly because you tried to find the cheapest of the cheapest webhost out there and they put you on an overcrowded server...

Furthermore as a small proof to our clients (because we're not that old yet and still need to proof ourself) we try to run at least one of our own sites per server, so if the server is fucked we're fucked too, and you can be absolutely certain that we'll fix it in 5 minutes

Perhaps all ppl having had a bad experience with their previous virtual host should try us out and see the difference!

[RikRok]

I've read this whole thread and didn't want to say anything, but since somethings weren't said, I think its important to talk about them.

iep hosts in Europe. If you are hosting things illegal in the U.S. that's a big help. For everyone else: most paying customers, most English-speaking web surfers gets most of their connectivity from the U.S.

Even countries that support other payment methods (JCB, etc) get their connectivity "closer" to the U.S. than from Europe. This is why latency to dynamichosting.com is better for anyone not next to iep.

I have had a server with DH, for almost 6 months. They transferred my sites for me, helped my programmer install some scripts my old provider couldn't, and let me upgrade my bandwidth in 10 minutes after I started using my additional capacity!

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As for virtual hosting, someone already said it best, when a server is new, its always pretty good. Once they start cramming users on their servers or one site on their gets very busy, your performance goes to crap. If you aren't watching it every minute of the DAY you won't even know until your users start complaining.

With a dedicated server, you can get the MRTG graphs and see that your server is always moving smoothly -- you can see higher traffic when the weather is bad or during certain holidays. I wouldn't give up that piece of mind of a second.

My move to DH was from another dedicated host, but if I have a few virtual accounts, $575 is perfect.

Rik

(Happily a Dynamichosting.Com customer)

[Dyanna]

muchos- as rikrok said, you can't tell me, or anyone, that has a dedicated that virtual is better. Even if you monitored each server that well - downtime is downtime. You can't pull an abusing customer off that quickly. And what if they weren't abusing the server . . . they just happened to be doing a really good job of promoting their site. Who are you going to pull off? Me, or that good customer?

And no, it wasn't a cheap web host at all. I know better than that, and in fact didn't blame them then - and don't now - for what happened. However it did make the decision to move to dedicated an easy one

rikrok if you live in the US it doesn't matter where your server is located. You could put your server on the moon and you still would be prosecuted here if you have illegal content

[tha_timinator]

I'm sorry to say this but CAN'T YOU GUYS READ OR ARE YOU JUST STUPID!?!?! ( )
You say A, we say B and you simply repeat A as it is a good point, while we already explained a trillion times why A isn't true!

- About the overcrowd thing; we simply don't overcrowd our servers so you won't ever ever ever have trouble with low performance!! We will always reserve enough capacity for the growth of users.

- About the pricing of dedicateds; DYNAMIC HOSTING'S BANDWIDTHS ARE CAPPED!!!!! Our bandwidths are calculated on AVERAGE!!Doesn't someone really understand that then!?!
It's very simple; if you buy an 1 mbit connection with us you should buy a 2 mbit connection with Dynamic Hosting to cover the same traffic, and like Much0S already said; we're simply lots cheaper than Dynamic Hosting because of this fact!

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[tha_timinator]

O I forgot;

- Third: we're indeed hosting in Europe. I don't see your point there RikRok...
Coz it's simple; about 50% of the surfers is from USA, 50% is not.
Dynamic Hosting's speed and network is pretty good inside USA, but pretty damn bad outside!
SO: 50% OF THE SURFERS AT A DYNAMIC HOSTING LOCATED SITE IS FALLING ASLEEP WHILE WAITING FOR THE SITE TO LOAD!!!!
We're located in Europe but we have a very good network from all over the world! That means that we're fast as well from America, as well from Germany, as well from China, as well from Australia!! That's absolutely the way to go!

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[Coke]

It's really fun reading this post.

Muchos and Tim, you forget that Dynamichosting also offers burstable servers.

About ping times:

Pretty much every civilizised country has a good connection to the US and therefore nobody is falling asleep browsing sites in America. Also, nobody notices any difference between a server in the US having a ping of 250ms and a server in Amsterdam having a ping of 150ms. That's ridiculous.

Besides dedicated servers are the better solution for people who burn more than 150GB a day. You can sit next your server 24/7 and monitor it but what are you going to do if one user decides to test out a new php script which has a *little* bug in it? There'll still be downtime because of this even if you realize this error within 5 minutes. This wouldn't happen on a dedicated server.

Also the point about maintenance isn't true. If you choose your host right you won't notice any difference between dedicated and virtual hosting other than that the server's usually faster (even if you claim that don't put too many domains on a virtual server there IS a difference if there are 10 domains on a server or just YOURS) and more secure.

You're welcome to comment on this post

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[Dyanna]

Coke, I tried pointing some of those things out to those guys and they just ignore anything that goes against what they are trying to sell

[Fart]

Well, I'm also at dynamichosting since short time and satisfied with speed. BTW ping is around 80-100 ms only from europe and between 10 and 40 within the US. IEphosting got almost the same the other way round. So I would consider the speed of both to be pretty satisfying. I'm always interested in hosting deals coz it never can get too good

But I am curious about the prices at IEphosting for dedicated servers. On you web site IEPhosting makes me believe that I could get a dedicated (e.g. 512 RAM, 800 MHz, 9 SCSI) with 1 MBit for less than $ 200 a month. And the line isn't capped either they say.

"The bandwidth you will need to pay for is your average monthly usage, your bandwidth will NOT be capped!"

The link
"Click here to find out the differences between average, capped and peeked dedicated accounts!"
does lead to a almost blank page without the promosed information or any info at all.

Few lines below the site says
"For every Gb traffic you use more than your account allows we will bill you USD 4/NLG 10/EUR 4.50 extra."

Well I actually still do not know what I would pay for the traffic. When does "...more than your account allows..." start, when I got a 1 MBit line, and when "...the bandwidth you will need to pay for is your average monthly usage..." ?

[tha_timinator]

Fart, the info at the dedicated hosting part of our website isn't complete yet and still incorrect, you're totally right with that. That's the reason why the section says "UNDER CONSTRUCTION"

The prices for the lines aren't right yet so the total price won't be right either...

The explicit explanation of capped, peeked and average isn't finished yet either

"More than your account allows" means if you buy 1 Mbit all traffic over 1 Mbit! (simple right? )
So if you buy a 1 Mbit connection (+/- 320 GB/month) and you use 1.3 Mbit (+/- 416 GB/month) you pay us 96 X USD 4 = USD 384 extra for that month... in this case you'd better buy a 1.5 Mbit connection...

And Dyanna; no you're not right, YOU guys/girls don't read our threads but keep repeating the same issues over and over while we already explained a trillion times why these issues aren't good issues to our belief!


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[Fart]

The page where the dedicated stuff is on has no "UNDER CONSTRUCTION" hint anywhere. How about putting it there untill you finished this page? That would be better than hiding it on another page I'd say.

[LC]

Just finished reading this thread. I have to agree with the folks that say Dedicated is worth it. You cant convince the 100's of veteran webmasters on our dedicated servers that they should share their server with ANYONE. Also, I see a lot of misconceptions about "dedicated" hosting. First of all, not everyone makes you sign a year contract. Our company is one of them that does not. We work month to month with our clients. Also, you dont always pay a setup fee. The biggest point I want to make is that you are NOT 'On Your Own.' We personally monitor your servers 24/7 to assure they are up, they are not under too great of a load, the whole bit! We watch for password sites and everything and immediately remedy the problem, often before the hosting client can even NOTICE it. We keep the hardware and software up to date, including upgrades such as extra ram or extra hard drives if we deem necessary for our client's best interest. NO, we dont charge extra for ANY of that. We help our clients with scripting questions, we add/move domains, we add/remove emails, we give unlimited IP's. And again, NO, we dont charge for ANY OF THAT. Finally...the capped line is not always true either. We dont cap anyone... we are on a gigabit backbone, so bursts are a NON issue. Also, you dont always have to buy bandwidth in set "chunks." We charge for the exact amount you use (for my details on that method, just ask). Im not trying to spam about just our hosting company. The things I mention are true with several companies that do dedicated hosting...the points these guys are making about virtual, just dont hold up in my opinion. Virtual is good for a beginner, but once you start doing any scripting or any real amount of traffic, etc.... Dedicated servers are the way to go for reliability, speed, and security.

[Jamie]

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