Theo

The famous Athenian commander Pericles said:

"Our constitution is called democracy, because power is not in the hands of a minority, but of the whole people. When it is a

question of settling private disputes, everyone is equal before the law; when it is a question of putting one person before

another, in position of public responsibility, what counts is not membership of a particular class, but the actual ability

which a man possesses."

By the middle of the 20th century, every independent country in the world, with only a few exceptions, had a government that,

in form if not in practice, embodied some of the principles of Greek democracy. Although the ideals of democracy have been

widely professed, the practice and fulfillment have been different in many countries.

I'm proud of being Greek and I expect from you to be proud for your countries also. One thing that I have as a rule in my life is to be fair with others and to stay away from procatalypsis. I'm in the adult industry about three months and one of the

guys I first met out there is Tamer from Turkey. Four years ago,some of you might remember, Greece and Turkey were in war

proccess. Turks has been enemies for Greeks centuries before America been discovered and vice versa. I'm an open-mind human

being and I know pretty well the roles that governments have in all the country-games in the world. My friend Tamer is a great

guy and got in to adult industry a lot before me in order to collect money for his studies. My situation isn't a lot different

since my mother and my younger sister work from early in the morning till late in the night in order for me to study and

support them financially in the future. About three months ago,when I first met Tamer, I had a discussion with him on how he

should convert the regional traffic he has in his sites in to money. Most of the sponsors do not accept webmasters from Turkey

and many other countries. The solution was a dialer. I suggested to him to use vipdialer.com because I had read that they're

real honest program and only good words have been written for them. I have signed up with vipdialer and had my dialer canceled

because of minor traffic. I understood it, the only traffic I could have was from TGPs and most of them declined my

galleries.I thanked Mr Snow for giving me a try with his service.He promised me when I'll have stable traffic to catch him again in order to give me another try. Tamer signed up with sexdialer(vipdialer is part of sexdialer,same with celebritydialer) for $0.1/min (US webmasters $0.35/min). He was pretty enthousiastic since he had read good comments about the

dialers that Mr Snow promotes. Personally, I have told him my that Mr Snow seemed very nice guy and he shouldn't worry for payments. Tamer earned in March $2275 and in April $2200. Mr Snow told he that after 45 days from the end of March he will pay him for the 1st month. When he asked him through ICQ if he sent the payment Mr Snow told him with few words that pay ratio

changed to 0 and he won't pay him. My friend Tamer tried to explain him that he promoted his dialer all this time for $0.1/min

and he deserved the money. Mr Snow just told him "go find someone who pays alot for turkey good luck" but Mr Snow didn't pay

anything my friend Tamer. The title of Mr is something that a real and fair man earns. Snow, you don't deserve this title, you found the weak point of my friend Tamer, he is in Turkey and he can't have almost any legal action against you. You cheated him and I'm sure you don't feel any guilty about that. This post is an alert for webmaster from countries that most sponsors don't accept. I told Tamer to give you 3 days in order to change attitude. In three days from now and in case you won't have pay my friend Tamer I swear you that you'll find me and many of my real friends monitoring and posting the truth to every single board. Also, we're gonna alert through various ways all foreign webmasters about your services.

I don't want to make enemies on this area, since now I had only friends, most of you out there are very nice and helpfull

with me. I recognise this and I respect it. I respect also the work of Tamer and i'm seeing the results of it. I Also know what will be the results of this bad attitude against my friend to his personal life since he can't pay for his courses. Don't take it personally, it has to do only with Snow, the one that doesn't deserve the title of Mr.


Mr Lensman, in case i won the dvd-player for the longest thread please send it to Snow.

Babagirls

after all you wrote, why would you write ..

"..if i won the DVD player, send it to Snow"

????

It was a very interesting post though.

Theo

he's is the reason for posting it, he deserves the results of it.

wiZd0m

"Longest thread of the week" -> # of people reply to you minus your replay. Not the lenght in character you have written

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Theo

always with great sense of houmor :-)

Wildman

This doesnt surprise me.

Snow has ripped of a lot of webmasters, including me.

You wont get a response here, he is remarkedly quite when the truth comes out.

Wildman.

boneprone

and who are you? and what is your excuse?

SNOW

I think boneprone deserves it,because he always entertains me,even when i have had a bad day...

We tried paying more to turky but it ate us alive.... Weather the Greeks and Armenians cant stand turkey is another issue and has NOTHING to do with vipdialer..

I told your friend that if he slandered me in any way i wont pay him a dime.. I think lensman would feel the same way...

There are always problems with turkish webmasters..

SNOW

Exxxotica

What's wrong with Turkey?

It's low in fat, high in protien, and is great in Sandwiches.

Without Turkey, Thanksgivig would just be no fun.

Snow, I think you should reconsider giving Turkey a chance. It's a healthly alternative to pork or beef.

boneprone

Personally I love Turkey. It seems to be a seasonal thing. During the Summer time Turkey will be non-existant, but come winter it is becomes real popular.. I hear if you want it, Vegas may be the place to get it with the buffets and diverse foods there.
I havent had Turkey since Thanksgiving, and I sure do miss it.



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Theo

Your response shows guilty snow. You know it, i know it and any thinking man here can see that. Lensman has nothing to do with that. You used the turkish webmaster and from the beginning you didnt have any purpose to pay him. None would slander you if you were honest and fair,but you are dirty. If you believe that foreign webmasters are not fair don't accept them, BUT DON'T USE THEM AND THEN FUCK THEM, it has great difference. You smurt guy,did he sent fake clicks to your sponsor? No,he used your god damn dialer, did he cheat on your dialer? Come on!

wiZd0m

We all shave at some point. Seriously, I don't know a single webmaster who never shaved. Come one don't guys lie about it!

Even me I try to shave as many time as I can, but If I do it too much, my skin hurts after a while. So I use some ultra smooth shaving gel. That way I stay with fresh skin and girls like that .

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boneprone

I shaved my crotch once, and it will be my last.. It was soo fuckin itchy I thought I would die.. Whats a good solution to not shaving?

TFCash

I myself have never tried to shave a turkey, I thought that you were suppose to pluck them

Now you all know what a warm place in my heart that I have for the fine folks of Turkey, well they can all go fuck themselves blind for all I care. I wouldn't give them the time of day after my little escapade with one of their fine countrymen. So Turkey, go fuck yourself


Tim

TFCash

And that comes from the bottom of my heart

tamer

Hi,

First thank you very much Soul__Rebel.

Now, I start. I decided to promote a dialer in March because there aren't too much people in Turkey using their credit cards on the internet. A dialer would be a great solution for me to make more $$$. Then I checked many dialer sponsor sites and saw sexdialer.com. When all others are paying only 2 cents/minute for Turkey traffic, sexdialer.com was offering 35 cents/min. I contacted to Stuart via ICQ and asked him how could he do this when others paying 2 cents. Whenever I insist on this subject, he said "Don't worry, you will be paid. Turkey or USA traffic... all are the same for us ". I beleived him and start promoting his dialer on 13th March. Then I saw vipdialer.com on sponsorwatch.com and took a look at it. They were offering 10 cents for Turkey traffic. And I contacted Snow via ICQ. He said that sexdialer.com, celebritydialer.com and vipdialer.com are the same companies. So I will be paid 10 cents/min for Turkey traffic. Not 35 cents. "OK anyway" I said and continued on promoting their dialer. I waited, waited and waited for my payment. Because they pay 45 days after the end of a period. So I promoted their dialer for months for nothing! Just one day before the payment day (14th May) they changed Turkey's rate from 10 cents to 0 cents!!! Then I told him that he always promised me to pay and made me continue promoting their dialer. He repeated that they won't pay my Turkey traffic. And said "so if your gonna talk bad about me i wont pay you a dime".

How can I name this? Swindle? Cheating? Detaining? ...

Now he says "There are always problems with Turkish webmasters".

There only 2 Turkish guys promoting his dialer. One of them (who has bigger traffic) is me. I know the other guy. So he did this only for 2 guys. Especially to me. Because he thought that I couldn't do anything.

Finally;

1- If he can't earn from Turkey, why his dialer works great from Turkey calls? For nothing? Just to make their lines more busy?

2- If he can't earn from Turkey, why did he write 10 cents on his site and didn't change it until the payment day?

3- If he can't earn from Turkey and if Turkish webmasters are always problem, why did he always promise me to pay? Just a few days ago, on 12th May, he said "No worries, you will be paid". I keep all my ICQ history with Snow.

4- When I told him everything I write here now, he couldn't answer or explain anything and just said "go find someone who pays alot for turkey good luck".

Okey Snow, I know that there aren't any sponsor paying big bucks to Turkey currently, but at least they are honest. When I e-mailed them , they always answered and told the truth: "Sorry, we can only pay 2 cents for ur traffic". But you didn't.

Finally... Stay away from Snow, he can do everything, he may not pay you, he may cut your minutes, he may cancel your account, he may run down urself because of your nation, he may make you loose your desire to build adult sites etc etc etc.

Because HE IS NOT HONEST ! ! !

TFCash

boneprone -

I heard you can wax and it doesn't get so itchy, try out the hotwax next time

Tim

magnatique

trim it, don't wax it..... nothing too hot, nothing too sharp goes next to my future ;P

TFCash

tamer -

I wish you and every other person from Turkey would lose interest in the adult biz, because quite frankly you seem to be a band of thieving, lying whores. I have had 10 cases of credit card fraud in the 5 years that I have been hosting adult sites, and where do you think 8 of those 10 came from. Why that's right, TURKEY Seems like a awfully high percentage for such a tiny insignificant country, don't you think ??


Tim

tamer

hardcorehosting

I know that there are many lamers using fake credit cards in Turkey. But do I have to be one of them? And the things you tell are not related to this topic. Do you use dialers with credit cards? This is the topic of SNOW. He promised to pay me, he detained me for months and didn't pay me. That's All! You the "self-seeking" try to change the subject, accuse me unconsciously and make Snow happy.

Theo

last post from me today,

bonesprone, stupidity is a priviledge none can steal you,so don't try all the time to prove to anybody you still own it :-)

hardcorehosting, i have read many of your posts on this board, i don't know you personally, but i agree on many things you have post through time. I'm sure that if you were in the situation of Tamer you wouldn't react like that. I don't speak about a CC situation,but about a dialer. I'm sure that Tamer will agree with you about many Turkish webmasters that have done it, but we are talking for different situations. Tamer has a CC sponsor and he never had any problem. Don't see everyting general.
Charles Manson is a US serial killer, most of the serial killers are also from US,well US is full of serial killers! WOW But that's not the case (here we have to except wizdom who's a s.killer..)
Don't see what you want to see,but see what exists.

SNOW, just post here the situation from your point of view or you are not even able to figure one?
We won't leave it here end. When you are right about something, you don't expect such reaction.You don't deserve it. You can't deal with it.

Now it's Tamer, later will be some other webmaster, I might have been me. You guys there you can be safe with vipdialer,we are all sure about that, but it seems that's not the fact with foreign webmasters. Snow in this case didn't do the right think,REALISE IT. FEEL STUPID IF YOU CAN'T. DON'T FEEL STUPID IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT.

I repeat. ------We won't leave it end here--------

Personally, I don't want such sponsors even if they are goldmines for me.

GOD DAMN ITS FUCKING UNFAIR.

boneprone

I didnt understand the part about boneprone? Could someone translate?

Theo

no need for translates, it was my personal kick to you in order to make you mad and start a huge posting fight in order Snow to win the dvd-player :-) Nothing personal, I'm the soul_rebel,but you're are the soul of the board ;-)

time for some rest, catch to you tommorow,greetings

SNOW

I don't even own a dvd player.. I don't even have time to watch tv... I will make time for the Sopranos,but thats about it..

I dedicate all proceeds to da bone or babagirls or soulrebel...

I love you to Snow

12clicks

Snow, I'm confused. was this guy cheating or are you ripping him off?

I'm all about stomping cheaters so lets hear the story

Theo

"tamer was using his dialer on his own phone, he earned $4475 in 2 months with a sick pay ratio,but now he has to pay $32.600 phone bill that's why we are so mad with Snow..." Try an explanation like that Snow, or give ANY explanation about what's going on. If the topic was about shaving legs I bet you would participate more.

lightswitch

Thats what they say about Cum too.

Kat - Fast

I am fuckin disgusted with the reactions of you 'professional' webbies trying to turn a very serious rip-off alert into a fuckin joke session.

Let's hear it Snow - you ripped a guy off?
Or you have a damn good excuse for not paying?

wolfshade

Kat I think they are trying to prevent this post from turning into a shooting match

Like I did with Snow on AWI.

AWI visitors know what I am talking about

Wolfshade


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Theo

I had some interesting research concerning snow and his cheatdialers. Tamer is not the only victim of snow. I'm thinking writing a script that will monitor EVERY SINGLE adult board and when it will find his presence it will inform me and fellow webmasters that snow is trying to hook another guy and scam his also. We will evaluate the situation and if it's something like that we will inform the future victim with facts about snow and his cheatdialers. Don't think this is much of work. The script and some min of one of us are enough to help any webmaster to be careful about this snake.

magnatique

wolf, go ahead, piss some more here!!! I miss you on Awi LOL

wolfshade

Mag damnit you couldn't stir up the shit on my board so now you're tryin to get me to mess around here?

Wolfshade


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sweetjimmy

Dialers are a scam. You try to ripoff other people with your ripoff dialer and now you got scammed. Boo Hoo. The cheater got cheated.

I bet you after that earthquake people were frantically dialing 911 but they're phone line was disconnected because they racked up 500 dollars to Vanuatu. You Jive Turkey.

Shannon

Not too surprised with this thread going on. And with all due respect - but, why the hell would someone use a dialer on their own phone line and rack up a $32,600 phone bill to hopes in collecting $4,475 from a sponsor?

That has to be one of the crazier things I have ever heard of in my life!

Theo

i don't have an explanation, neither the one that cheated.

Theo

still waiting,but I'm not surprised at all.

playa

.10 cents on TURKEY is pretty tough

thats like someone offering .25 cents for blind clicks..

my only advice is if its too good to be true than it ain't..
but on the other hand if you was told it thats different story

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Theo

the deal was for 0.1 and my friend Tamer accepted that, but he didn't got payed not a single dollar from snow. His tactic now is called "silence",but silence costs and he will face it very soon...

pr0view

wow... the guy is from turkey, his compalaints sound real and you all make fun of it? very professional... snow... you evade the topic... after all, why haven't you paid him? pls don't start exlpaining that he is a cheater...

pr0view

oh, come on, what's that "Boneprone family member" next to my nickname?

Theo

today ends the period i gave...remember it

[Labret]

It better not.

oscer

I fucking Hate all Dailers

Is this Better I will not Publically post anything bad about anyone even if they do Rip me off

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Exxxotica

Hmm....

I dont even come close to doing the minutes his prefered clients do...Yet Ive always been payed on time.

I recieved my latest check several days ago. (Thanks SNOW)

SNOW

Yeah I dont pay huh.. Thats why all the huge companies use me..

Thats why I have been running almost longer then anyone. AND DESPITE how long my payout is i still have people signing up like crazy.. and Never complain how long it takes.Its monthly after the first check anyways,just like any other program..

Resellers and other dialer companies posing as innoccent people still love to attack me.FOr every new dialer company coming out there are 5 that fall on there ass. They all want a peice of my action..TOO FUCKEN BAD,Hey im sucessfull and you dont like it... Piss off............

cheaters dont get paid
people who slander dont get paid
people who use the word free dont get paid..

Very simple
People always jump the gun,then the check comes and there like oh sorry.


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Mr Nice Guy

Just to let everyone know, I've been using Snow's dialer for about 8 months, and I've been paid every time.


sweetjimmy- saying all dialers are a scam is pretty ignorant. If it's advertised honestly to the surfer and they know how much it's going to cost, what's the problem? If you don't have a credit card or a bank account in the USA you shouldn't be able to look at porn?


Shannon- I think someone said that as a joke.


Snow- Keep paying us honest guys and you'll always be the best.


Money,hoes,and clothes,
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Iceman610

Hi !
Im using Vipdialer since Snow started his dialer and i ALWAYS get paid !!!!

Snow i think i the hornest dialer sponsor u could find, he also has got the best support !
I know him very well and i also now that he is a great guy.
If u do hornest buisiness here u will get your money from vipdialer, im sure !

I know there are always guy who post messages like: "Vipdialer dont pay !"
LOL 90% of these guys dont know anything about the 45 days delay, and i would say
10% trying to cheat snow.

That my post to this topic!
And i can only tell u, that snow will always pay his webmasters !
I have used many dialers before, and i never made so much minutes as with vipdialer !

Iceman

Theo

i didn't say you don't pay US webmasters, I said you don't paid webmasters from countries that are banned from most sponsor programs. AND STILL WAIT AN ANSWER ON HOW TAMER CHEATED YOU. DO YOU HAVE ONE? YOU AVOID A STRAIGHT ANSWER ALL THE TIME. HOW?

QuietMike

I have been using V.I.P. Dialer from the start. I have always gotten paid and not one day late. Snow has proven that he is a honest and reliable guy. If you ever need help, he is always there to lend a hand. He is one of the hardest working webmasters I know.

When ever someone posts that they got cheated, they are intentially trying to hurt the sponsor. Almost everytime, the truth ends up being twisted around to make it look like the worst case senerio. Everyone that keeps feeding posts like these are most likely mis-informed and only make the situation worse. The fact is, nobody will really know what had happened except the 2 involved. All I know, is that out of the thousands of webmasters that promote V.I.P dialers, only a handfull have screamed of being cheated. The weird thing is, is that out of those few webmasters, they all seem to be from countries that most sponsors will not except because of there cheating record. Kinda coincidental, huh???

V.I.P dialer has one of the cleanest reputations out there, and I would recomend them to anyone who uses dialers.

wolfshade

People,

Shall we keep the dialer wars from this board?

The only advice I can give ya all is go to the AWI board do a few searches on vipdialer and a few searches on Snow and then make up ya own mind I know I did it's what made me decide to leave that board behind

Wolfshade


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