heres the rape of 400 virgins and they still want more!!!

Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

best site ever: http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

Where the hell do you get your information?

You have no clue about what the "Qoran" says.
Or the bible for that matter. Stop now, because your ignorance is shining through.

If "your" country was threatened...wherever it may be.. would you fight to the death for it ? same thing any other country in the world will do. Americans come into Iraq and tell people that we are changing the way you have lived for 100's of years and we expect them to sit still. Would we sit still here in the US ??



:2 cents:

Ok, start working on your own country then.

The US armed and trained Bin Laden back in the Reagan days, how about starting by taking out everyone who worked in that administration?

Oh wait they all work in the current one.

24 Candians died on September 11th and justice will prevail.

LOL... stop reading propaganda arcticles... Just think for 1 sec.. how many rapes in the US are commited by muslims? Rapes here are always reported in the news.. many muslims here... never heard of a muslim rapist...

ya know what the spookiest thing about this is.

sounds like some redneck shit down in Alabama. Replace muslim with blacks and you see where this thinking leads.

They are doing a good job at it in White America where 70% of the rapes are done by blacks who make up only 4% of the population but consume 40% of the welfare system in that country.

so obvious

American can't even handle Iraq after a decade of sanctions, yet Bush is hell bent on starting more wars. The brilliance of this administration continues to amaze me day after day. "Axis of evil", what a fucking rocket scientists.

Maybe having a former drunk/coke addict who's not smart enough to run a company running the USA isn't the best idea in the world? Just a thought.

Iran has a real army and over 3 times more people.

Oh and they don't hate their government like Iraqi's did.

70 million insurgents.

And this time I don't think Bush will even be able to get Australia behind him.

Those damned negros are taking all of the Muslim's victims. Let's kill them all!

The sad thing is there are idiots like this angelsofporn who actually belive in this.

:1orglaugh

It is so sad that now we have to deal with them too.:helpme

Sounds like a bunch of hot air to me.. I seriously doubt they have anything that could reach the US.. unless they mean attacking troops in Iraq?

Offcourse I put a thumbsup smiley you fucking retard. Every fucking american childkiller over in Iraq (and the rest of the ME) should die.

And every fucking religios fanatic, like you and that idiot bush, should die :ak47:

You don't have to have ICBM:s to reach USA. Al-qaida showed it can be done with other things...

good post

nope not 100 years, just the last 30 years.:2 cents:

I think all fundamentalist religious nutbags should be put to the sword. If a government contains enough fanatics in power positions then it should be overthrown. Just like we're throwing Bush, Ashhahahahaha, Chaney, etc out in a few months.

this sucks.... we are war between ourselves in regards to bush and kerry, invading iraq or not (I don't see it as a liberation any more)

war is over rated if you ask me :( Sometimes it is needed, but a majority of time it isn't.

Sometimes I feel like we were put here for one purpose and that was to see how long before we annihilate ourselves as a civilization.

Sad :(

edit....

holy shit look at my post count. not good.

How long until they have a delivery system?

FYI...the teachings in the New Testament over rides the Old Testament via the word of Jesus Christ...whom some believe was God himself...as some believe the Trinity are one and the same.

So? That's what a "nuclear deterrent" is - it stops assholes from thinking they have "rights" and "priviledges" over other countries.

Any country knows the use of nuclear material is a no-win for either side - it's a last resort.

The US has decided to adopted a pre-emptive strike policy and it follows other countries will match this. The laws of "it's OK for us, but not OK for them" to do it don't apply.

Iran is a country that has been fucked up *very* badly in the past by interference from the US. As a result it has gone thru "troubled times". There is no reason in Iran to trust the US - the track record speaks for itself.

Currently the US even refuses to speak to Iran officials - that also is not any form of "rational" behavior - all other countries at least communicate and many have normal relations with Iran.

One year ago there was a major arms fair in Terhan. Although the US has it's usual sanctions/bans/prohibited "lists", the US still had major representation there selling arms via subsidiary corps. As the organiser said, "Where there is a dollar, of course the US will attend". The hypocracy is deafening...

If you were the leader of any Middle East country at this time, would you be sitting on your ass and throwing bouquets of flowers at the US Ambassador? Don't think so :winkwink:

They are acquiring " yellow cakes " from an " african country" and have ordered aliminium paper tubes ... seems serious... Lest's invade... I mean " liberate "....

:1orglaugh

He would have been crushed in a single day if it were not for micro management of the military by civilians for polictical reasons.

:thumbsup I would still be "there" if my career had not been ended in the 1st Gulf War. I was medically discharged in '92 so if I had not been injured in '91 I would be in my 24th year with 6 to go.

You'll enjoy being a slave.

Don't forget about this...


October Surprise

October Surprise is the allegation that representatives of the 1980 Ronald Reagan presidential campaign arranged the Iran-Contra deal well in advance of the 1980 election where Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter. October Surprise is also the title of a book on the subject by Gary Sick. This usage of the term describes a situation where a Presidential incumbent uses his office to do something very popular at the last minute before election day, to increase his chances of getting reelected. Thus the alleged conspiracy was precisely to prevent an "October Surprise" that would have aided Carter, the incumbent, effected by postponing the release of the hostages held by Iran until after the election.

Proponents of the theory allege that representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal at two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until after the November 1980 presidential elections, so that Reagan's opponent, then President Jimmy Carter, whose team had been negotiating, wouldn't gain a popularity boost (an 'October Surprise') before election day. The allegations included a date-specific allegation that William Casey met with an Iranian cleric in Madrid, Spain, and much of the tardy investigations centered on whether, at the weekend in question he was actually at Bohemian Grove retreat in California. Though William Casey was probably in London following the alleged meetings, critical pages of his daybook diary were unaccountably missing when the investigators came to look for them over a decade later.

Carter was at the time dealing with the Iran hostage crisis and the hostile regime of the Ayatollah Khomeini. Those who aver that a deal was made allege that certain Republicans with CIA connections, including George H. W. Bush, arranged to have the hostages held through October, until Reagan could defeat Carter in early November, and then be released. The hostages were in fact released on the very day of Reagan's inauguration, twenty minutes after his inaugural address. The timing of the release did not spark much conversation regarding the October Surprise theory.

Two months earlier, in a campaigning interview Ronald Reagan had said that he had a "secret plan" involving the hostages. "My ideas require quiet diplomacy," he had responded when pressed, "where you don't have to say what it is you're thinking of doing."

A 1981 Congressional probe into the Reagan campaign's theft of White House briefing books on the eve of a presidential debate disclosed that Reagan campaign manager William Casey (later appointed as Director of Central Intelligence in the Reagan administration) was receiving highly classified reports on closely held Carter administration intelligence on the Carter campaign and the Democratic president's efforts to liberate the hostages.

A Public Broadcasting System's 'Frontline' documentary in 1990 brought the story unavoidably to the surface in detail. In 1991, while playing golf with George Bush in Palm Springs, Ronald Reagan gave reporters a sound bite. In 1980, he had "tried some things the other way," that is, to free the hostages, he told them. When pressed he said that the details remained "classified."

Separate House and Senate investigations were further delayed until 1992. William Casey, the alleged go-between, was dead by then, and it seemed impossible to account for all his moves during the summer of 1980, when he is said to have conferred with agents representing the Ayatollah Khomeini's government.

If the allegations are true, some believe that dealing with a hostile foreign government to achieve the defeat of a domestic administration would have been an act of treason.

According to Sick's analysis, Oliver North was the administration's scapegoat, taking responsibility in order to conceal the "treason" of Reagan and Bush.


Source: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/October_Surprise




IMO, it's just old friends doing business again.

Educate me please...as I am unaware that North korea has been engaged in any acts of Global "terrorism". Maybe you can name a few incidents that have been sponsored by North Korea...or a single incident.

They have yet to test an ICBM and if they ever test an ICBM I suspect that North Korea will be taken down.

The Jews will light up Iran with American technology.

Make the cavemen glow.

Richy boy...Richy boy...the US defeated Iraqi military forces in '91 with a few weeks of bombing and a 100 hour ground war. The second time around the US defeated Iraqi military forces in 3 weeks in a ground war. Hmm...the Iranian military forces could not defeat Iraqi military forces in...close to a decade. You really should stop listening to those voices in your head...Richy boy.

It is and they don't have.

Defeated in 3 weeks?

I thought we were still fighting Iraqi military forces? Or are they not considered military now since we captured their leader and are 'disorganized' now or whatever? At what point do the iraqi military members become insurgents and terrorists?



Not that they ran a good show over there or anything :(.... I just like to try to check TheKing once in awhile ;)

goBigtime:

Familiar old name in a saga that caused other counties a shitload of trouble..... I mean North - can't say the degree of Reagan and Bush part.

North was a small name in a much bigger saga that started decades back when, once again, the US decided to overthrow a democratically elected foreign government. (Hell.. when you just think of that for one moment - some heads need to roll).

The US decided to replace the democratically elected government of Guatamala and install "their guy". The people of Guatamala objected and were killed in droves and buried in mass graves, imprisoned and the "usual" stuff that people do to each other now in prisons in Iraq.

The US government then lied to it's own citizens who ended up being killed in the middle of this shit - tho courts and government papers released in the last ten years clearly show the involvement at high levels of the then, US government and this has given "closure" to many Guatamalan and US families.

This was the start (hell - no it wasn't - but more later!) of a "Latin American" unrest that spread to Nicaragua and other countries and lasted decades. The cost is ... unbelievable in suffering and death.

North was in on the last segment of this crap and there is little doubt he never acted on his own behalf :-) I spoke last year with some people who were present at North's meetings on the border of Nicaragua. The background is .... amazing shit and has no place in history of any "reputable" country. Ask any US Ambassador who operated in the Latin American region and you will get a smile and "Do you think I was involved in that?"... The records confirm their involvment.

The start of this "US foreign policy" in Latin America goes back over 100 years when attempted "invasions" of several Latin American countries were instigated and repelled. These times are still in the minds of people in Latin America and, tho they are very friendly people, there is still a feeling of... "distrust" or whatever of "gringos" who appear to be regarded as the rapers of the earth.

It takes... often centuries to "cool" distrust... there is absoluelty nada hope of any US government in this century having any "trust" or meaningful relationship in the Middle East.

You forgot the taking of American hostages and holding them for 444 days. they would have released them sooner but Reagan made a deal with Iran to hold off until the 1980 election so he could beat Jimmy Carter. That's why nobody "went down" in 1983.

PS... Guatamala is still going nowhere and is "not a place to be" - prior to that shit it was a peaceful country and no problem to anyone.

When there is no longer an Airforce...Navy or Army that is resisting...is the first clue that the Military forces have been defeated...thus what ever resistence is left are those of "insurgents" and in the case of Iraq...foreign fighters that are considered to be "terrorists" from different "terrorist" orgs.

:sleep

Amercans are evil and stupid.





Can we just get on with it?

No doubt we destroyed their airforce, navy and anything that's made of metal and moves.... if they are/were part of the Iraqi military, when are they stripped of this?

I would say (if they continue to fight) - when they die.



Think of it in reverse....




Think of it like this....

http://www.viewonline.com/pages/edit...rican-flag.gif

Another country invades us (the US), kills 80% of our military, overthrows our goverment & installs a new one.

Let's even say most (70%) of our civilians are happy with this change, despite huge amounts of civilian casualties.

Now there are still the ex-ruling 10% that oppose the new government (because it detests them), and the remaining 20% of our military that still answers and obeys that ex-ruling 10% (because it's their job).

So this remaining 20% military continues to fight off the newly installed goverment however they can....

OUR military, fighting off the invading country (regardless if we were an evil country or not)....

Are our GI's terrorists or insurgents at this point? Or are they still doing their job as members of the United States military?

theKing:

This US concept of "terrorist" has no bearing on the rest of the world and certainly not with many ... for all kinds of reasons... but with those who have had their families killed and want the US out of their land and back to Kentucky or somewhere.

Back to "basics" - WTF has the US being doing in the Middle East for over 30 years?? The US has no part in *anything* to do with the Middle East or anywhere else that is not US jurisdiction.

Labels such as "terrorist" are just that - a label.

At that point, there is no US... let alone a US military.

Why not?

Assume in the example that there are still 10% civilians and 20% military that believe in and are fighting for the "old" US government.

As long as someone willingly says they are part of the old government, and is willing to fight for it, I would say it is war & they are military or patriots defending themselves against foreign invaders - until they give up, give in, or die.

You can't just instantly label them as terrorists or insurgents just because you positioned yourself to install a new government..... can you? (Heh... or maybe you can do whatever you want at that point?)


But again not saying they are good/innocent guys by any means...(Just like some people might say the people that run our country are not good guys)....

I'm just arguing that we obviously didn't win the ground war against that government and that country in 3 weeks as theKing suggested.