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Theo · 05-31-2001, 09:41 AM

I know that the no1 policy of a dialer company is "do not advertise for free the dialer". I'm sure Snow and Wolfshade will have cancel many webmasters doing such a thing. I have noticed in many greek sites a particular webmaster that advertises a dialer from nocreditcard.com as a free. I have contacted the company 2 weeks ago, but i didn't receive any response and the guy continues to promote the dialer as a free to more sites this time. Any thoughts? Is this fair for the rest companies and webmasters and much more for the surfers?

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Theo · 05-31-2001, 09:43 AM

and since I already know your answer hehe, what should webmasters do when the dialer company (which has not even TOS page) rewards such webmasters?

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PhukDialerCash · 05-31-2001, 10:33 AM

There will always be people that advertise the dialer as free. whenever anybody sees that if they know whos dialer it is they should let the company know.

If you want you can try mine. Shitty site design, Awesome dialer!!! http://www.phuk.org/

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Tam · 05-31-2001, 10:59 AM

right... most dialers are easy to pin on the supplier.... GIB, Niteline, Dialerking and such.... if you can't find it any other way then alert one of these guys and tell them their dialer is being promoted as free and they will be able to locate the person that gave him the dialer. They all have acct numbers so to speak embedded in them.. and so on and so on........ but if you can find out who supplied the dialer, you are on your way.

We can kid ourselves into thinking that simply because you are in a different country that you can advertise it as free. Well I am here to tell you it will cause problems somewhere down the line...... My site is USA based BUT I also have a lot of foreign traffic. All it takes is for one USA Surfer to get on there and the stink begins.........

This is just MY opinion and it may or may not be exactly right. BUT dialers have taken a beating simply because people are abusing them.. and I mean surfers as well as Suppliers and Resellers...... the surfer wants to jerk off now and then charge back the bill when it suits him.... and the resellers and suppliers refuse to run even a decent business. Whatever brings the money in....... it's all about greed and who can get the biggest webmasters who make the most minutes.... and it takes what it takes.......... and in return all of us take a beating because of those who abuse them.

Let me just say this........ how many PAYSITE sponsors do you see going into an all out war on public forums saying that mine is better than yours? Not alot. and I am not including or excluding any particular person here...... I think you all know who runs and conducts business in a professional manner and who doesn't. So I am not even thinking of pointing fingers anywhere on this one.

There are days when I get out of bed and I don't even want to be associated with the Dialers simply because of the abuse they have taken in the hands of the wrong people.... well let me tell you folks.. you are shooting yourself in the foot here..... grow up, be professional and at the very least show a little pride in your business. Whether it's paysite owners, dialer companies, or just a webmaster of TGPs, free/avs sites.... whatever..... Just because we work in the porn business does not give any of us the right to act like damn fools and cut throats....

BOTTOM line is we ALL need each other on one level or another...... and being petty and running a shady business makes not only YOU but the company you represent look like total shit.

Ok I am done ranting..... I have just been seeing alot of sponsors, dialer programs and webmasters cutting their own throats and those of the companies they represent and it's made me a bit shitty over the last few days. While I know there are exceptions to every rule...... if WE keep our noses clean and run respectable business then the whole damn industry will be looked on with a little more respect.

Ok I am done now..... this is my monthly rant.

Thanks for listening.

Tam

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wolfshade · 05-31-2001, 11:17 AM

I say go to the source.

Download the dialer and run it(don't install just run it)

On the first screen it will show you what dialer it is and what company created it.

Contact them about it they will sort the reseller out fast and good

Wolfshade

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wiZd0m · 05-31-2001, 11:21 AM

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Theo · 05-31-2001, 11:47 AM

As already told you in my 1st message, i have contacted the company (nocreditcard.com) and until now nothing has been done. I sent the e-mail on 15-5-2001, more than 2 weeks ago, if they where willing to do something, they would have done it and this guy continues to promote their dialer as free. I'm gonna contact the company for one more time and in case I don't receive any answer what you suggest as next step?

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Tann · 05-31-2001, 12:07 PM

If nocreditcard.com will take no action regarding this problem, you can contact FTC and FCC and tell them about the problem. I'm sure it'll be "fixed" fast after that

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Theo · 05-31-2001, 02:23 PM

thanks Tann for your help.
Wizdom,nice laptop :-0

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Theo · 05-31-2001, 02:25 PM

also thanks Tam for your monthly rant :-) and this is an opportunity.

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wolfshade · 05-31-2001, 03:35 PM

Soul Rebel,

You're missing my point nocreditcard.com probabely is reselling a dialer(GIB, Niteline etc...) find out by running their dailer which company they resell for and contact that company. I 'm sure it will be fixed fast after that.

FTC is probabely not such a good idea IMHO because I believe you should give the company that originally built the dialers a chance to sort it out with their reseller.

My 2 cents a minute

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Theo · 05-31-2001, 03:44 PM

oh,i got it,thanks Wolfshade.

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SNOW · 05-31-2001, 06:50 PM

NOT THE FTC YOU INSANE??

NO NO NO.... Just email the source..Man some people are so eager to jump..

...........I'm sick of these fuckers advertising free.. And this free fist 2 minutes thing is so damm deceptive..

Go get em Wolfshade,I'm burned out today...

SNOW

wolfshade · 06-01-2001, 01:32 AM

Hmmmm this is weird comming from you Snow

Does this mean we are starting to get along again?

And no prob. I'll check out what dialer they use and see what's up

Soul Rebel can you give me some info like:

- Where it is advertised as free
- How you know it's a no creditcard.com dialer

With that info I should be able to get matters solved

Wolfshade

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Theo · 06-01-2001, 05:41 AM

ok,you got message!

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05-31-2001, 09:41 AM	#1
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Dialer owners and rest webmasters I know that the no1 policy of a dialer company is "do not advertise for free the dialer". I'm sure Snow and Wolfshade will have cancel many webmasters doing such a thing. I have noticed in many greek sites a particular webmaster that advertises a dialer from nocreditcard.com as a free. I have contacted the company 2 weeks ago, but i didn't receive any response and the guy continues to promote the dialer as a free to more sites this time. Any thoughts? Is this fair for the rest companies and webmasters and much more for the surfers? ------------------ Great Money Makers! Top Sponsors

05-31-2001, 09:43 AM	#2
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	and since I already know your answer hehe, what should webmasters do when the dialer company (which has not even TOS page) rewards such webmasters? ------------------ Great Money Makers! Top Sponsors

05-31-2001, 10:33 AM	#3
PhukDialerCash Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6	There will always be people that advertise the dialer as free. whenever anybody sees that if they know whos dialer it is they should let the company know. If you want you can try mine. Shitty site design, Awesome dialer!!! http://www.phuk.org/ ------------------ ------------ Phuk Dialer Cash http://www.phuk.org/ ------------

05-31-2001, 10:59 AM	#4
Tam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,488	right... most dialers are easy to pin on the supplier.... GIB, Niteline, Dialerking and such.... if you can't find it any other way then alert one of these guys and tell them their dialer is being promoted as free and they will be able to locate the person that gave him the dialer. They all have acct numbers so to speak embedded in them.. and so on and so on........ but if you can find out who supplied the dialer, you are on your way. We can kid ourselves into thinking that simply because you are in a different country that you can advertise it as free. Well I am here to tell you it will cause problems somewhere down the line...... My site is USA based BUT I also have a lot of foreign traffic. All it takes is for one USA Surfer to get on there and the stink begins......... This is just MY opinion and it may or may not be exactly right. BUT dialers have taken a beating simply because people are abusing them.. and I mean surfers as well as Suppliers and Resellers...... the surfer wants to jerk off now and then charge back the bill when it suits him.... and the resellers and suppliers refuse to run even a decent business. Whatever brings the money in....... it's all about greed and who can get the biggest webmasters who make the most minutes.... and it takes what it takes.......... and in return all of us take a beating because of those who abuse them. Let me just say this........ how many PAYSITE sponsors do you see going into an all out war on public forums saying that mine is better than yours? Not alot. and I am not including or excluding any particular person here...... I think you all know who runs and conducts business in a professional manner and who doesn't. So I am not even thinking of pointing fingers anywhere on this one. There are days when I get out of bed and I don't even want to be associated with the Dialers simply because of the abuse they have taken in the hands of the wrong people.... well let me tell you folks.. you are shooting yourself in the foot here..... grow up, be professional and at the very least show a little pride in your business. Whether it's paysite owners, dialer companies, or just a webmaster of TGPs, free/avs sites.... whatever..... Just because we work in the porn business does not give any of us the right to act like damn fools and cut throats.... BOTTOM line is we ALL need each other on one level or another...... and being petty and running a shady business makes not only YOU but the company you represent look like total shit. Ok I am done ranting..... I have just been seeing alot of sponsors, dialer programs and webmasters cutting their own throats and those of the companies they represent and it's made me a bit shitty over the last few days. While I know there are exceptions to every rule...... if WE keep our noses clean and run respectable business then the whole damn industry will be looked on with a little more respect. Ok I am done now..... this is my monthly rant. Thanks for listening. Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! Gimmee your fucking galleries, NOW!!!

05-31-2001, 11:17 AM	#5
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	I say go to the source. Download the dialer and run it(don't install just run it) On the first screen it will show you what dialer it is and what company created it. Contact them about it they will sort the reseller out fast and good Wolfshade ------------------ Get paid per minute! Dialerclopedia

05-31-2001, 11:21 AM	#6
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05-31-2001, 11:47 AM	#7
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	As already told you in my 1st message, i have contacted the company (nocreditcard.com) and until now nothing has been done. I sent the e-mail on 15-5-2001, more than 2 weeks ago, if they where willing to do something, they would have done it and this guy continues to promote their dialer as free. I'm gonna contact the company for one more time and in case I don't receive any answer what you suggest as next step? ------------------ Great Money Makers! Top Sponsors

05-31-2001, 12:07 PM	#8
Tann Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9	If nocreditcard.com will take no action regarding this problem, you can contact FTC and FCC and tell them about the problem. I'm sure it'll be "fixed" fast after that ------------------ Subdialer.com

05-31-2001, 02:23 PM	#9
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	thanks Tann for your help. Wizdom,nice laptop :-0 ------------------ Great Money Makers! Top Sponsors

05-31-2001, 02:25 PM	#10
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	also thanks Tam for your monthly rant :-) and this is an opportunity. HAVE A NICE MONTH EVERYBODY WITH HEALTH AND JOY. SUMMER IS FINALLY HERE AND IT'LL BE REAL HOT! ------------------ Great Money Makers! Top Sponsors

05-31-2001, 03:35 PM	#11
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	Soul Rebel, You're missing my point nocreditcard.com probabely is reselling a dialer(GIB, Niteline etc...) find out by running their dailer which company they resell for and contact that company. I 'm sure it will be fixed fast after that. FTC is probabely not such a good idea IMHO because I believe you should give the company that originally built the dialers a chance to sort it out with their reseller. My 2 cents a minute Wolfshade ------------------ Get paid per minute! Dialerclopedia [This message has been edited by wolfshade (edited 05-31-2001).]

05-31-2001, 03:44 PM	#12
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	oh,i got it,thanks Wolfshade. ------------------ Great Money Makers! Top Sponsors

05-31-2001, 06:50 PM	#13
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	NOT THE FTC YOU INSANE?? NO NO NO.... Just email the source..Man some people are so eager to jump.. ...........I'm sick of these fuckers advertising free.. And this free fist 2 minutes thing is so damm deceptive.. Go get em Wolfshade,I'm burned out today... SNOW

06-01-2001, 01:32 AM	#14
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	Hmmmm this is weird comming from you Snow Does this mean we are starting to get along again? And no prob. I'll check out what dialer they use and see what's up Soul Rebel can you give me some info like: - Where it is advertised as free - How you know it's a no creditcard.com dialer With that info I should be able to get matters solved Wolfshade ------------------ Get paid per minute! Dialerclopedia

06-01-2001, 05:41 AM	#15
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	ok,you got message! ------------------ Great Money Makers! Top Sponsors