anyone with info on grey market satellites in Canada? - GoFuckYourself.com

flashfire · 08-09-2004, 02:39 PM

specifically in the Calgary area, I'm looking for some more information....thanx

NoCarrier · 08-09-2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by flashfire
specifically in the Calgary area, I'm looking for some more information....thanx

Good luck finding information about that..

sixxxth_sense · 08-09-2004, 02:42 PM

my fucking DirectTV is dead!

flashfire · 08-09-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
Good luck finding information about that..

why? tons of people have them and there are quite a few people from this area that post on here

doober · 08-09-2004, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
Good luck finding information about that..

half of QC is pirating express vu, Dishnetwork, DTV (before they removed the HU stream...)

Whats so hard to find out?

MAGNET · 08-09-2004, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by sixxxth_sense
my fucking DirectTV is dead!

yea and i hear it pretty much cant be fixed.. im stock without tv i guess its good cause i get to do more work

Steen2 · 08-09-2004, 03:20 PM

My DTV is down too

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08-09-2004, 03:23 PM

I think the ExpressVu is actually black market in Canada so be careful where you post this type of question. Some of the dealers from the newsgroups are getting nailed.

Mr Dickovitch · 08-09-2004, 03:29 PM

You guys are cheap fuckers.

mardigras · 08-09-2004, 04:32 PM

Grey market is different from black market. Black market is stealing signals. Grey market is paying for signals not available for sale in your country by going through a broker who sets you up an address in the country you wish to order programming for. Canada feels US TV corrupts them so it is not available there other than that which drifts over the border from off-air or canadian versions of US channels (like Food TV Canada and Tech TV Canada).

mardigras · 08-09-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by evildick
I think the ExpressVu is actually black market in Canada so be careful where you post this type of question. Some of the dealers from the newsgroups are getting nailed.

ExpressVu is the DishNetwork equivilent in Canada. The receivers are identical except for the ID numbers that designate a unit US or Canada and one country will not authorize the receiver of the other.

Doctor Dre · 08-09-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by evildick
I think the ExpressVu is actually black market in Canada so be careful where you post this type of question. Some of the dealers from the newsgroups are getting nailed.

Ugh ? expressvu is the biggest dish network in canada ...

Goatse · 08-10-2004, 09:17 AM

They now slap you with a $5,000 fine in Canada if you're caught with an illegal dish (or a legal dish rigged so that you're getting it for free). There have been quite a few people hit with that fine around here, so I'd rather pay my $60 a month.

pxxx · 08-10-2004, 09:18 AM

IO heard of it, but it is going to be hard to find informations about it.

IYP_Mich · 08-10-2004, 09:29 AM

I dont want to speak very much but
chek this out

http://www.maestra.tv

mookienow · 08-10-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by MAGNET
yea and i hear it pretty much cant be fixed.. im stock without tv i guess its good cause i get to do more work

Get dish network.

NoCarrier · 08-10-2004, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by mardigras
Grey market is different from black market. Black market is stealing signals. Grey market is paying for signals not available for sale in your country by going through a broker who sets you up an address in the country you wish to order programming for. Canada feels US TV corrupts them so it is not available there other than that which drifts over the border from off-air or canadian versions of US channels (like Food TV Canada and Tech TV Canada).

Grey Market is still illegal in Canada.

Monk · 08-10-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
Grey Market is still illegal in Canada.

Its called "grey" market for a reason.... it is not illegal or it would be "black" market.

NoCarrier · 08-10-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Monk
Its called "grey" market for a reason.... it is not illegal or it would be "black" market.

http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/new...ewer.asp?a=146
http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/new...ewer.asp?a=138

On April 26th, 2002, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled unanimously that businesses providing US satellite decoding equipment and programming and the Canadians that are using that equipment are breaking the law.

In simple terms, the Court said that Canadians would only be permitted to receive those satellite services being offered by ExpressVu and Star Choice. The court said that receiving foreign satellite signals was illegal.

What this Means

It means that if you you have a Direct TV or DISHNET satellite system, you are breaking the law. It does not matter whether you are paying a monthly subscription fee or are using a reprogrammed access Card. C-Band satellite owners subscribing to US satellite signals are also breaking the law.

Industry Canada links:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.ns...5?OpenDocument

http://strategis.gc.ca/epic/internet..._sf05562e.html

You are not allowed to own US satellite systems in Canada. No ifs ands or buts.

Do tons of Canadians own them ?
Yes!

Does that make it legal?
No.

Vitasoy · 08-10-2004, 12:43 PM

Anyone heard of the black bird reciever?

Vitasoy · 08-10-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Ugh ? expressvu is the biggest dish network in canada ...

I think he means people that are stealing channels ;)

Monk · 08-10-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/new...ewer.asp?a=146
http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/new...ewer.asp?a=138

On April 26th, 2002, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled unanimously that businesses providing US satellite decoding equipment and programming and the Canadians that are using that equipment are breaking the law.

In simple terms, the Court said that Canadians would only be permitted to receive those satellite services being offered by ExpressVu and Star Choice. The court said that receiving foreign satellite signals was illegal.

What this Means

It means that if you you have a Direct TV or DISHNET satellite system, you are breaking the law. It does not matter whether you are paying a monthly subscription fee or are using a reprogrammed access Card. C-Band satellite owners subscribing to US satellite signals are also breaking the law.

Industry Canada links:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.ns...5?OpenDocument

http://strategis.gc.ca/epic/internet..._sf05562e.html

You are not allowed to own US satellite systems in Canada. No ifs ands or buts.

Do tons of Canadians own them ?
Yes!

Does that make it legal?
No.

There has been a case since then that has ruled in the opposite direction.

08-10-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Ugh ? expressvu is the biggest dish network in canada ...

Yes, and I mean that if you get caught stealing the signal they don't look the other way like they do with the American dishes.

I was always told that the term "grey market" dishes in Canada was referring to pirating U.S. dish signals, since there was some confusion on the legalities of that in Canada. It was technically legal at one time to pirate US dishes in Canada, therefore they called it grey market.

Pirating ExpressVu is black market in Canada and Bell will nail your ass if you get caught.

I posted that in the previous thread because doober had mentioned them in the same breath as he did the American dishes.

NoCarrier · 08-10-2004, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Monk
There has been a case since then that has ruled in the opposite direction.

Nope, that law is still active.

Other than Evu or Starchoice even if you pay for it = Illegal.

http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSLaw0204/26_sats-cp.html

Court: 'Grey-market' dishes illegal

OTTAWA (CP) -- Unlicensed providers selling decoders for foreign-based satellite signals are breaking a federal broadcasting law, says Canada's top court.

The Supreme Court of Canada ruled 7-0 Friday that such businesses do violate the Radiocommunication Act that outlaws the unauthorized decoding of an encrypted signal.

The judgment is a victory for Canadian satellite giant Bell ExpressVu which is suing a small British Columbia satellite provider.

However, the high court left it up to the so-called grey-market satellite providers to make a strong case in court that the federal law violates freedom of communication guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Thousands of grey-market satellite users across the country were awaiting the outcome of the case that pitted a small British Columbia business against industry heavyweights.

ExpressVu appealed to the high court after failing to persuade lower courts to grant an injunction against Can-Am Satellites, based in Maple Ridge, B.C.

Can-Am and other grey-market businesses feed subscribers signals directly from the United States and other countries. In turn, customers pay in American dollars and are issued a U.S. address.

ExpressVu lawyers argued that Can-Am is luring business away by enticing consumers who might otherwise obtain a similar service from ExpressVu. That's unlawful, they said, because ExpressVu and StarChoice, owned by Shaw Communications, are Canada's only licensed direct-to-home (DTH) providers.

Lower courts weren't convinced.

The B.C. Court of Appeal ruled in September 2000 that the Radiocommunication Act does not bar Can-Am from offering Canadians access to foreign signals.

A separate Ontario Court of Appeal judgment last April quashed an RCMP search-and-seizure warrant obtained for satellite dealer Tech Electronics. The court concluded there were no criminal offences occurring at the business that sold grey-market systems.

Lower courts have said broadcasting legislation applies only to signals that originate in Canada. They also cast doubt on whether the punitive aspects of the Radiocommunication Act were meant to catch people intercepting foreign satellite signals.

Can-Am lawyers argued Canadian law cannot reasonably ban the decoding of broadcasts from other countries.

Such a prohibition would violate rights to free expression and communication guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, they said.

While grey-market proponents hail freedom of choice in a free market, the two authorized satellite distributors, cable, broadcast and film representatives cite cultural consequences.

They say unlicensed grey-market distributors don't support the Canadian broadcast system, which requires payment from licensed companies to maintain Canadian content.

The broadcast giants warned earlier this month that unlicensed satellite providers are draining millions of dollars from licensed Canadian companies.

Industry critics say that self-interested broadcasters want to maintain control over the viewing market so they can make more money.

The numbers of Canadian viewers bypassing licensed satellite providers has been estimated at anywhere from 200,000 to more than one million. Broadcasters have said the grey market is sucking about $400 million a year out of the Canadian system.

CAHEK · 08-10-2004, 01:40 PM

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asuna · 08-10-2004, 01:45 PM

black bird is a basically an FTA receiver, with the option to check out bev and charlie, but no onscreen guide... I'm picking up another FTA receiver, but not for bell or dish

Rich · 08-10-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by mardigras
Canada feels US TV corrupts them so it is not available there other than that which drifts over the border from off-air or canadian versions of US channels (like Food TV Canada and Tech TV Canada).

Almost every US channel is available in Canada.

Idiot.

NoCarrier · 08-10-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Almost every US channel is available in Canada.

Idiot.

Well, except HBO. But we have all the HBO shows on The Movie Network. So I am not complaining.

flashfire · 08-11-2004, 03:56 PM

I am not trying to be a cheap ass, my home teams sporting events are all blacked out in my area and I want to watch them....if they gave me a chance to pay to legally watch them I would

flashfire · 08-11-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
Good luck finding information about that..

pretty long tread with lots of info buddy, whos

now

mardigras · 08-11-2004, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by flashfire
I am not trying to be a cheap ass, my home teams sporting events are all blacked out in my area and I want to watch them....if they gave me a chance to pay to legally watch them I would

That is the whole idea behind grey market

I've seriously considered going reverse grey market so I can watch Pridevision and Leo Laporte on Tech TV Canada.

mardigras · 08-11-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by asuna
black bird is a basically an FTA receiver, with the option to check out bev and charlie, but no onscreen guide... I'm picking up another FTA receiver, but not for bell or dish

Hey asuna, what FTA receiver(s) do you currently have? Are you using a small or full size dish? I've got a Satwork 3688 slaved to a 4DTV. I love all the channels I'm getting with the Satwork but I don't like a couple of glitches with the receiver and the fact it doesn't pass AC3 audio. When TechTV left C-band and went digital I can still get it on the Satwork but there's no audio

At least it has blind search. I'm thinking of getting one of the newer Fortecs because they do AC3 and have blind search. I'd order a blackbird just to watch a couple of Canadian channels they refuse to sell to us but my luck I'd be swooped up in a sting led by DishNetwork. I love how they've convinced judges the only use for card reading equipment is for stealing their signals and forced dealers to turn over customer lists, so buyers of the blackbird would be an even easier target. I'd hate to be fined for something I wasn't doing

MetaMan · 08-11-2004, 05:59 PM

no i have no idea. ;)

edit: i dont support this shit on the left.

NoCarrier · 08-11-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by flashfire
pretty long tread with lots of info buddy, whos now

Yeah, especially since all the good info was from me.

mardigras · 08-11-2004, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
Yeah, especially since all the good info was from me.

What am I, chopped liver?

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flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	anyone with info on grey market satellites in Canada? specifically in the Calgary area, I'm looking for some more information....thanx

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flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	I am not trying to be a cheap ass, my home teams sporting events are all blacked out in my area and I want to watch them....if they gave me a chance to pay to legally watch them I would

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