DutchTeenCash why the fuck do you pull that shit on me? - GoFuckYourself.com

johndoebob · 08-10-2004, 03:10 AM

Because I didn't get a reply to my e-mail to them I feel the need to post it here.

So what happened?

Last week I registered with them because I wanted to promote them on a new teen site.

They site wasn't ready yet so they sent me an e-mail asking if the site will be 18+ and 2257 compliant.

I answered them yesterday that the site is ready you can look at it, it's 18+ but not 2257 compliant as far as I know (no hardcore but nudity) and I asked them too if it's neccecary because they are outside the US and I'm outside the US too and the law hasn't even passed yet.Shortly after that I got 2 nice mails:

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Sir,

your account has been disabled and blocked from ccbill, since it is not
compliant.

Support

Mike

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Webmaster Program: DutchTeenCash Prg

Your Affiliate account has been deactivated due to suspicion of fraud.

Thank you,

CCBill

Fraud?What the fuck?Is that a standart CCBill deleted mail?!

I was really pissed because of their behaviour and because everything was merged under that account.

So I wrote them a normal mail asking why they're doing stuff like that.But I didn't get any reply.

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Hello,

>Your Affiliate account has been deactivated due to suspicion of fraud.

why do I get this kind of e-mail?I just asked you a normal question if
it's neccecary to be 2257 compliant now even if the law hasn't passed
yet and even if you're located outside of the USA where the
law doesn't matter.

Why do I get a "deactivated due to suspicion of fraud" e-mail, I have
never had anything to do with fraud.You just could have told me that I
have to be compliant otherwise I won't be able to promote you anymore.

So guys could you please be so nice and answer me?

Jace · 08-10-2004, 03:17 AM

that is fucked up...fuck them, use someone else

Roald · 08-10-2004, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
that is fucked up...fuck them, use someone else

fuckign sheep, why not wait for them to reply before taking any conclusions, geez

Jace · 08-10-2004, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by QuaShe
fuckign sheep, why not wait for them to reply before taking any conclusions, geez

i am not a sheep by any means...my statement was more geared to the enormous amount of sponsors out there....and if 1 doesn't want your teen traffic, there are 30 other reputable ones that will take it....

sponsors are a dime a dozen, and if one doesn't want you, fuck it...move on to one of the other 3000 of them

Roald · 08-10-2004, 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
i am not a sheep by any means...my statement was more geared to the enormous amount of sponsors out there....and if 1 doesn't want your teen traffic, there are 30 other reputable ones that will take it....

sponsors are a dime a dozen, and if one doesn't want you, fuck it...move on to one of the other 3000 of them

well maybe I overreacted but I hate it when people put things on the boards and taking conlcusions before hearing both sides of the story ;)

The Other Steve · 08-10-2004, 03:24 AM

I think you might find that what you have there is an indication that if a paysite bills through CCBill it won't matter where you or the paysite are in the world - CCBill will expect you to be 2257 compliant.

Jace · 08-10-2004, 03:26 AM

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Originally posted by QuaShe
well maybe I overreacted but I hate it when people put things on the boards and taking conlcusions before hearing both sides of the story ;)

oh i know, you ain't gotta tell me...like sig whores that do a drive by shooting on the thread and type something stupid and predictable just to get the sig view or post count

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 03:29 AM

well well thank you for bringing this to my attention, let me get some facts straight :

- every aff signup is checked for both 18+ and 2257, we care who promotes us

- http://www.dutchteencash.com/refsignup.html clearly says we do not accept not working sites, yours wasnt working, just an empty page

- ccbill admin has just a few possibilities, click inactivity and fraud are the most common, we have to make a note to ccbill why we dont want an affiliate

this is what you wrote :

To the compilance to the new US laws, I don't think my site is
compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm located outside of the USA too.

Could you send me my account details again because I lost them when my mail client crashed.

Thanks,

Felix

1. YES IT FUCKING MATTERS WE DONT WANT YOUR UNDERAGED AND NON 2257 SHIT!!!
2. neither our company or our host is in Holland
3. we're sick and tired of ppl promoting our program through german sedcard alike 8yo teencutie sites

4. and so is ccbill :

Dear Webmaster

Thanks for notifying us. I looks like you beat me to the termination.

Regards,

XXX XXX
Risk Analysis

CCBill.com

5. Stop whining and get your facts straight and shit sorted out and take our pics of your server

NickB. · 08-10-2004, 03:32 AM

HAHAHAHAHA! This was a good and short thread!

johndoebob · 08-10-2004, 03:43 AM

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yours wasnt working, just an empty page

It wasn't working when I signed up but it is and was working when I sent you that e-mail.

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1. YES IT FUCKING MATTERS WE DONT WANT YOUR UNDERAGED AND NON 2257 SHIT!!!

Underaged?That is a TGP and Little April and others aren't underaged.

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2. neither our company or our host is in Holland

Your mail reply headers where in dutch and you call yourself Dutch Teen Cash so I assumed that you're dutch.

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3. we're sick and tired of ppl promoting our program through german sedcard alike 8yo teencutie sites

You offer young looking girl sites, others do too I don't promote underage, what I do promote is little april,tawnee stone,xxl-cash sites and met-art sites,the girls are all over 18 so don't try to get me into realations with any CP stuff.

Go and give this nice and friendly sponsor a try

justsexxx · 08-10-2004, 05:22 AM

What's the site you are using for promotion?

BTW anyone knows when the new law will be effective? I know it is on the way, but so many people are stressed, just curious when it will become effective.

Andre

johndoebob · 08-10-2004, 05:30 AM

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What's the site you are using for promotion?

http://www.teen-sex.jp

And if CCBill really was involved in the deletion it would be kinda ironic because almost all programs I promote there are using CCBill.

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
http://www.teen-sex.jp

And if CCBill really was involved in the deletion it would be kinda ironic because almost all programs I promote there are using CCBill.

YOU ARE NOT COMPLIANT sheesh how deaf are you ? you wont promote us now take that fucking Diddy thumb of your site!!!

johndoebob · 08-10-2004, 06:39 AM

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now take that fucking Diddy thumb of your site!!!

Just did that Mr. Angry Teen Cash, you're the most friendly sponsor I've ever met that's for sure.

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YOU ARE NOT COMPLIANT

The law hasn't even passed yet and no big TGP cares yet neither do I.

RicardoB · 08-10-2004, 07:03 AM

Wow! that's one sponsor I will never use.

No matter what you don't treat affiliates like that.

PerfectionGirls · 08-10-2004, 07:18 AM

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YOU ARE NOT COMPLIANT sheesh how deaf are you ? you wont promote us now take that fucking Diddy thumb of your site!!!

Ummmm Im sorry, but the law has not passed yet and wont till around the 23rd of Aug. Even then there is a 30 day period for discussion in where the law can be modified. I have looked over his site and he is fully compiant (using sponsors the have the proper 2257 info listed on there sites). I am seeing no reason what so ever for the deleting of his account. Based on his site I am seeing right this minute, he is well within the current law.

All the sites he is promoting are legal and are very much covered by the current 2257 regs. When the new 2257 laws do go into effect... it will be up to the sponsor to make sure these tgp guys are fully compliant by supply them with compiant content.... not the other way around.

Maybe Im lost here, but I dont think so.

Inde · 08-10-2004, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by RicardoB
Wow! that's one sponsor I will never use.

No matter what you don't treat affiliates like that.

I agree. Anyone pushing a sponsor who reacts like this to an affiliate is crazy.

RicardoB · 08-10-2004, 07:22 AM

And besides the threatment where do they get off accusing an affiliate doing CP without any facts or proof?

They should be strung up by the balls and shot! IMO

stocktrader23 · 08-10-2004, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
YOU ARE NOT COMPLIANT sheesh how deaf are you ? you wont promote us now take that fucking Diddy thumb of your site!!!

Fuck off and die asswipe. If you accused me of CP I'd be doing more than telling you to get bent.

RicardoB · 08-10-2004, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Fuck off and die asswipe. If you accused me of CP I'd be doing more than telling you to get bent.

I like ya style!

{fusion} · 08-10-2004, 07:36 AM

very poor support

rowan · 08-10-2004, 07:45 AM

thinkx, just a quick question. If you are so concerned about new affiliates, what about your current ones? I haven't had any communication from you regarding my sites. Does that mean I'm compliant, or that you are not worrying about existing affiliates?

Corona · 08-10-2004, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
http://www.dutchteencash.com

Another sponsor gets added to the long list of companies not to have anything to do with.

CHMOD · 08-10-2004, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
YOU ARE NOT COMPLIANT sheesh how deaf are you ? you wont promote us now take that fucking Diddy thumb of your site!!!

What a fuckin idiot you are.

This guy is asking questions and he is polite.
Is it too much to ask to answer decently ?

You really are a moron and the worst: You don't know it.

jennym · 08-10-2004, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by RicardoB
Wow! that's one sponsor I will never use.

Oracle Porn · 08-10-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
YOU ARE NOT COMPLIANT sheesh how deaf are you ? you wont promote us now take that fucking Diddy thumb of your site!!!

idiot, I'm taking my links down, I had fun sending you search engine traffic, but by your means of "not compliant" is by my means "not understaning shit and talking out of your ass".
you are a true dumbass.

keep uo the good work.

Apollo · 08-10-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Fuck off and die asswipe. If you accused me of CP I'd be doing more than telling you to get bent.

I think you should do it anyways...be sure to tape it and post on the boards here =)

JohnnyUtah · 08-10-2004, 08:10 AM

Note to self... Dont promote that program

Corona · 08-10-2004, 08:20 AM

Theo · 08-10-2004, 09:01 AM

chodadog · 08-10-2004, 09:04 AM

I sure as hell won't use them. The guy asked a legitimate question in a polite manner and gets an earful of rude bullshit, and on top of it all gets accused of peddling child porn.

Pathetic. Fucking pathetic.

DarkJedi · 08-10-2004, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by QuaShe
fuckign sheep, why not wait for them to reply before taking any conclusions, geez

I agree.

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 09:08 AM

ok to clear the air :

were more then happy with any affiliate who promotes our program and a lot do and get really great ratios

when mike asked he got this reply from this german guy :

I don't think my site is compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm"located outside of the USA too.

He never asked about any NEW 2257 rules, you have to bare with me and if you read something like this it sounds suspicious. Maybe im overprotecting but a site thats not 2257 compliant NOW isnt a site were wed like to see our dutchteencash banners

I do know that we cannot demand that sites are 2257 compliant with the NEW rules and they dont have to be since that law never passed.

Hope this clears things up

johndoebob · 08-10-2004, 09:13 AM

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He never asked about any NEW 2257 rules

For sure I did and you posted that earlier to in your quote of my e-mail.

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To the compilance to the new US laws, I don't think my site is
compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm
located outside of the USA too.

McKracken · 08-10-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
ok to clear the air :

were more then happy with any affiliate who promotes our program and a lot do and get really great ratios

when mike asked he got this reply from this german guy :

I don't think my site is compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm"located outside of the USA too.

He never asked about any NEW 2257 rules, you have to bare with me and if you read something like this it sounds suspicious. Maybe im overprotecting but a site thats not 2257 compliant NOW isnt a site were wed like to see our dutchteencash banners

I do know that we cannot demand that sites are 2257 compliant with the NEW rules and they dont have to be since that law never passed.

Hope this clears things up

looks like he did and acting like that will not get you any new affiliates!

one less to promote.. yay!

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
For sure I did and you posted that earlier to in your quote of my e-mail.

if you meant its 2257 compliant NOW, which wasnt clear, then there no problem at all.

I hope you understand ccbill has an active kick affiliate AND client policy when it comes to non 2257 situations. Previously one guy who actively promotes ccbill (and still does) almost had our ass kicked, so im careful

so : sorry, misunderstanding and hope its cleared. Ive set your ccbill aff account active and increased it to 70% permanently

strobi · 08-10-2004, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
ok to clear the air :

were more then happy with any affiliate who promotes our program and a lot do and get really great ratios

when mike asked he got this reply from this german guy :

I don't think my site is compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm"located outside of the USA too.

He never asked about any NEW 2257 rules, you have to bare with me and if you read something like this it sounds suspicious. Maybe im overprotecting but a site thats not 2257 compliant NOW isnt a site were wed like to see our dutchteencash banners

I do know that we cannot demand that sites are 2257 compliant with the NEW rules and they dont have to be since that law never passed.

Hope this clears things up

Oh for christ sakes shut up. The guy asks a regular question, and is confused himself, and YOU are there to help him out, not kick him out of the program for false accusations (mildly put, accusing someone for pedling CP when he's not is,uhm, kinda harsh to say the least).

Get your custumor support straightened out NOW or your program will be dead in notime. For me it allready is. Time for the kids to leave the playground. Don't start biting the hands that feed you.

strobi · 08-10-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
cleared. Ive set your ccbill aff account active and increased it to 70% permanently

Can you kick me out of the program too after you accused me of CP? You may! I want that 70% too...

rowan · 08-10-2004, 09:29 AM

Speaking of 2257 regs and CP...

Something about this thread jogged my memory, so I chatted with Google for a few minutes. And found this:

38DD Nicolle (16)
Lisa (17)

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by rowan
Speaking of 2257 regs and CP...

Something about this thread jogged my memory, so I chatted with Google for a few minutes. And found this:

38DD Nicolle (16)
Lisa (17)

Old news. I know that banner yes and i also know who made it, an affiliate who has a UK site promoting 16-17yo. I can't help its still around, fact is all girls on that banner were 18 during the shoot, i have IDs and all to prove it.

RicardoB · 08-10-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by rowan
Speaking of 2257 regs and CP...

Something about this thread jogged my memory, so I chatted with Google for a few minutes. And found this:

38DD Nicolle (16)
Lisa (17)

chodadog · 08-10-2004, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkx
ok to clear the air :

were more then happy with any affiliate who promotes our program and a lot do and get really great ratios

when mike asked he got this reply from this german guy :

I don't think my site is compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm"located outside of the USA too.

He never asked about any NEW 2257 rules, you have to bare with me and if you read something like this it sounds suspicious. Maybe im overprotecting but a site thats not 2257 compliant NOW isnt a site were wed like to see our dutchteencash banners

I do know that we cannot demand that sites are 2257 compliant with the NEW rules and they dont have to be since that law never passed.

Hope this clears things up

So uhm, why didn't you just communicate the point to him like you did in this post? Why did you have to treat him in such a rude manner and go as far as to accuse him of peddling child porn?

You're a fucktard.

rowan · 08-10-2004, 09:35 AM

Further investigation...

The page that the banner appears on is a gallery, and 3 of the images are of one of your models holding up a sign saying "Sharon loves <domain_name_the_gallery_is_on>"

This seems to suggest pretty clearly that DTA is aware of this site, and that it is using that banner... the one talking about 16 and 17 year olds being on DTA!

The file date of the banner is April 21st, 2003. I copied it to my server so it would be preserved if someone managed to change it.

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
So uhm, why didn't you just communicate the point to him like you did in this post? Why did you have to treat him in such a rude manner and go as far as to accuse him of peddling child porn?

You're a fucktard.

i didnt because i wasnt the one sending out the emails to him in the first place, mike did that, normally i wouldnt even come into this whole situation. Mike should have asked me first before he send that email yes

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by rowan
Further investigation...

The page that the banner appears on is a gallery, and 3 of the images are of one of your models holding up a sign saying "Sharon loves <domain_name_the_gallery_is_on>"

This seems to suggest pretty clearly that DTA is aware of this site, and that it is using that banner... the one talking about 16 and 17 year olds being on DTA!

The file date of the banner is April 21st, 2003. I copied it to my server so it would be preserved if someone managed to change it.

those fansigns are photoshopped, the wholy story would take ages to type here but if you want to know it email me bob AT thinkx DOT tv

RicardoB · 08-10-2004, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
those fansigns are photoshopped, the wholy story would take ages to type here but if you want to know it email me bob AT thinkx DOT tv

Who gives a flying fuck if they are photoshoppe dor not it's simply NOT DONE.

And with shit like that floathing around who are you to acuse anybody of peddling CP?

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by RicardoB
Who gives a flying fuck if they are photoshoppe dor not it's simply NOT DONE.

And with shit like that floathing around who are you to acuse anybody of peddling CP?

these things happen, i have seen other famous inetmodels too with text over them that arent true, stripper ads, underaged, all kinda names, what can you do about it ?

I can sue him and get compensation but the banners and the fake fansigns are still there. if you know how to handle this be my guest and tell me...

rowan · 08-10-2004, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by thinkx
Old news. I know that banner yes and i also know who made it, an affiliate who has a UK site promoting 16-17yo. I can't help its still around, fact is all girls on that banner were 18 during the shoot, i have IDs and all to prove it.

Ok. I apologise for jumping to conclusions. I think we've come full circle now.

DutchTeenCash · 08-10-2004, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by rowan
Ok. I apologise for jumping to conclusions. I think we've come full circle now.

Theo · 08-10-2004, 10:02 AM

thinkx, the thing is you fucked up on this. I'm confident very few,if any, of your affiliates have already complied with the upcoming law.

08-10-2004, 03:24 AM	#6
The Other Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sunny Queensland - perfect one day and better the next. Posts: 2,106	I think you might find that what you have there is an indication that if a paysite bills through CCBill it won't matter where you or the paysite are in the world - CCBill will expect you to be 2257 compliant. __________________ Left intentionally blank ... just like my brain

08-10-2004, 03:29 AM	#8
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	well well thank you for bringing this to my attention, let me get some facts straight : - every aff signup is checked for both 18+ and 2257, we care who promotes us - http://www.dutchteencash.com/refsignup.html clearly says we do not accept not working sites, yours wasnt working, just an empty page - ccbill admin has just a few possibilities, click inactivity and fraud are the most common, we have to make a note to ccbill why we dont want an affiliate this is what you wrote : To the compilance to the new US laws, I don't think my site is compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm located outside of the USA too. Could you send me my account details again because I lost them when my mail client crashed. Thanks, Felix 1. YES IT FUCKING MATTERS WE DONT WANT YOUR UNDERAGED AND NON 2257 SHIT!!! 2. neither our company or our host is in Holland 3. we're sick and tired of ppl promoting our program through german sedcard alike 8yo teencutie sites 4. and so is ccbill : Dear Webmaster Thanks for notifying us. I looks like you beat me to the termination. Regards, XXX XXX Risk Analysis CCBill.com 5. Stop whining and get your facts straight and shit sorted out and take our pics of your server __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

08-10-2004, 05:22 AM	#11
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	What's the site you are using for promotion? BTW anyone knows when the new law will be effective? I know it is on the way, but so many people are stressed, just curious when it will become effective. Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

08-10-2004, 07:03 AM	#15
RicardoB Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,576	Wow! that's one sponsor I will never use. No matter what you don't treat affiliates like that. __________________ Let Me Show Ya How I Really Feel Ricardo's Rants

08-10-2004, 07:22 AM	#18
RicardoB Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,576	And besides the threatment where do they get off accusing an affiliate doing CP without any facts or proof? They should be strung up by the balls and shot! IMO __________________ Let Me Show Ya How I Really Feel Ricardo's Rants

08-10-2004, 03:17 AM	#2
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	that is fucked up...fuck them, use someone else

08-10-2004, 03:32 AM	#9
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	HAHAHAHAHA! This was a good and short thread!

08-10-2004, 07:36 AM	#21
{fusion} Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,650	very poor support

08-10-2004, 07:45 AM	#22
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	thinkx, just a quick question. If you are so concerned about new affiliates, what about your current ones? I haven't had any communication from you regarding my sites. Does that mean I'm compliant, or that you are not worrying about existing affiliates?

08-10-2004, 08:10 AM	#28
JohnnyUtah Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 826	Note to self... Dont promote that program

08-10-2004, 08:20 AM	#29
Corona Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Third mall from the sun Posts: 2,185	__________________ I was looking for a job, and then I found a job And heaven knows I'm miserable now

08-10-2004, 09:01 AM	#30
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	dah

08-10-2004, 09:04 AM	#31
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I sure as hell won't use them. The guy asked a legitimate question in a polite manner and gets an earful of rude bullshit, and on top of it all gets accused of peddling child porn. Pathetic. Fucking pathetic. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

08-10-2004, 09:08 AM	#33
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	ok to clear the air : were more then happy with any affiliate who promotes our program and a lot do and get really great ratios when mike asked he got this reply from this german guy : I don't think my site is compilant but does it matter?I thought you'd be located in Holland.I'm"located outside of the USA too. He never asked about any NEW 2257 rules, you have to bare with me and if you read something like this it sounds suspicious. Maybe im overprotecting but a site thats not 2257 compliant NOW isnt a site were wed like to see our dutchteencash banners I do know that we cannot demand that sites are 2257 compliant with the NEW rules and they dont have to be since that law never passed. Hope this clears things up __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

08-10-2004, 09:29 AM	#39
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Speaking of 2257 regs and CP... Something about this thread jogged my memory, so I chatted with Google for a few minutes. And found this: 38DD Nicolle (16) Lisa (17)

08-10-2004, 09:35 AM	#43
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Further investigation... The page that the banner appears on is a gallery, and 3 of the images are of one of your models holding up a sign saying "Sharon loves <domain_name_the_gallery_is_on>" This seems to suggest pretty clearly that DTA is aware of this site, and that it is using that banner... the one talking about 16 and 17 year olds being on DTA! The file date of the banner is April 21st, 2003. I copied it to my server so it would be preserved if someone managed to change it.

08-10-2004, 10:02 AM	#50
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	thinkx, the thing is you fucked up on this. I'm confident very few,if any, of your affiliates have already complied with the upcoming law.