What do you guys think of this?

[RedShoe]

I found it at the "thanks for your submission" page at one of my favorite TGPs. I guess it's always been there I just never noticed.


"Our sites are averaging @650,000 uniques/day. We can send top galleries anywhere from 40,000 to 80,000 uniques in ONE day depending on where the gallery is placed. We are looking for gallery makers interested in splitting gallery revenues with us, in exchange for high level listings that would otherwise be reserved for our own use or for paid advertisers. Due to the time contraints of running our sites and working on increasing traffic, we do not have extra time to work on building galleries each day. So, here's our solution: YOU provide the gallery, WE provide the traffic. We split 50/50 of what the gallery makes."

Any comments good or bad are appreciated. I'm not sure how to look at this deal? If I build for them, I lose 1/2 of possible income. However, I'll get a better listing, which could generate more profit.

But then I would have to make twice as much just to break even. On the other hand it doesn't talk about not allowing a recip in the gallery. You could recip back to your free sites, and try to increase your profit that way.

There is no mention of who hosts the site. If I pay for the hosting, I lose 1/2 my profits, and I have to pay for the bw.


Is this a good deal or not?

[Susan]

All these guys are offering is a shit load of traffic for 50% of the profit. Why not increase your scope to get this traffic and keep all the $$$. Can they really give 30k to several top positions.

If you have to foot the BW bill and work in the poor TGP convertion rate this might not be a good idea.

Amusing quote from TGP rules - "We are fed up with looking at the same content - find some fresh quality pictures"

Well if they made the visitor feel that way maybe TGP traffic would convert better and start to bore some of the BW sucking freeloaders.

[boneprone]

hmmmm

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[boneprone]

but wait, who's site is this? Is this a legit site? Id have to know who we are talking about..

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[Lust]

IMHO it's good deal for some webmasters...
But I prefer to choose sponsors on my own...
Maybe it will bring me less of money , but gives more freedom.
Choosing of the sponsor on my own gives me opportunity for traffic manipulation.

BUT a lot of traffic - it's COOL

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[TFCash]

I agree with Susan, just keep adding some more tgp's each day, and you will get the same level of traffic and not have to give up any $$$'s.


Tim

[Shap]

Hi. I run the site with that on it. We are getting between 650,000 and 710,000 uniques a day to my tgps. A large amount of this traffic is very high quality and people have seen up to 60+ signups in one day from our sites.


The reason why we put this together was to offer webmasters a chance to make more money than they currently make. In the past we have simply listed our own galleries in the top spots. We don't have the time to work on galleries as much as we would like and instead would like to form solid business relationships with other gallery makers so that we both make more money together.

Right now we have I believe 30 to 50 webmasters participating in our 50/50 deal and another 10 webmasters that have flat out bought some of our top spots for the month. This allows us time to work on traffic and on some new REALLY exciting projects that we think will make the people working with us MUCH MORE than they are making right now.

All we have done with this is form a working relationship with our gallery makers.


BTW Susan we can send up to 80,000 uniques to any gallery any day :-)

And Lust we let our gallery makers use whatever sponsor they are comfortable with. If they cheat us, then they'll regret it :-)


Shap

[Warphead]

I think alot of you are overlooking that it's voluntary. They aren't saying to get listed you HAVE to do this, they're saying they'll give you a top spot if you do.

Many big TGP's sell the top spots, or use them themselves. Seems to me that this is a innovative idea.

If the site we're talking about is Picwarehouse/Sexape then I know that they can send lots of good traffic on a normal listing (and getting listed on 2 big sites with only 1 submission/recip kicks ass)

Why is nobody mentioning who we're talking about anyway?

[Shap]

Hi Warphead :-)

Warphead is correct. We do not require people to be a 50/50 partner to get listed. But the 50/50 people are getting the top spots (for example the thumbnail spots ;-)

As mentioned the sites this refers to:
picwarehouse.com
sexape.com
bigbreastlovers.com
sugarteens.com
xxxthumbnails.com
and a few of our smaller sites.

To get listed on all our sites requires only 1 small recip back to sexape. 5 for 1 deal :-)


Shap

[Lightning]

Just my 2 cents.. But I would never work my ass of making galleries and then split my hard earned money with any tgp... That the same as paying for traffic??

There have been lot's of threads about this lately.. and If the day come that you have to pay to make galleries , so these tgp's have content to list, then I will just stop posting to them... They need the galleries as much as we need their traffic, (as Shap even mentioned).. so why should we make the galleries for them, and then have to pay them...
Seems like a few of thes so called "Big Guys"
need to get off their high horses and come back to reality, or better yet, get ZERO submissions and be shut down.

Shap this is not an attack at you at all. I don't even know who you are , or your sites.. this was just my reply to Redshoes original question..

[Shap]

I hear ya momma :-)

Here is my take on the situation:
Every hit is a potential sale. Some people will do well with certain traffic. When you find the traffic that does well for you, if you want to make the big bucks, MILK THAT TRAFFIC. Do whatever it takes to get as much of it as you can while it is converting.

For example. You post on bigbreastlovers.com. You get 30 signups in one day. Now, instead of submitting again and taking a chance of not getting listed. Why not contact the webmaster directly and ask for the top spot for a month and how much he wants. Or offer him a percentage, or a link or whatever it takes. Paying $100 a day to make $300 profit a everyday of the week is better than paying zero and making $300 profit 1 day a week.

The web is a numbers game. Play the numbers right and you'll make a killing :-)


Also, What we offer gives webmasters a chance to make money on their old galleries they are no longer using (simply adding the shared account code and giving me their list of galleries) and also gives them guaranteed listings everyday and a chance to play with their galleries to see what works best and what makes the most money.
A gallery maker submitting to a tgp is seen simply as a gallery maker and must respect the rules of that tgp. A gallery maker spliting 50/50 with me is my partner, and I'm always open to new ideas for US to make more money together.


Shap

[Lush]

Sounds like www.postforcash.com would be perfect for them. That is in essence what Post For Cash is.

It is basically splitting the profits. The galleries update once a day so they don't get old.

[Shap]

True. But....

1. postforcash stats are obviously going to show lower hits than were actually sent

2. a good gallery will make more than would postforcash is paying.

[RedShoe]

Askmomma,
I don't know what galleries you run, but I've never worked my ass off making galleries. In fact galleries require the least amount of work as far as I can tell. Photoshop and Dreamweaver does most of the work for me

Also, please, no one take this post the wrong way, in fact if you read my initial post. This tgp is one that I get a lot of my traffic.

I was just curioas as to how you felt about it.

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[Shap]

Hi Redshoe. Don't worry, I'm not taking it the wrong way. I understand what you meant. Sometimes when explaining an idea it doesn't always come across the right way.

If you have any questions at all just let me know. You can contact me by icq or email.


Shap

[Westin]

Shap...

I'm curiouse about whaat you said earlier... about the 60 sing-ups in 1 day from 1 gallery listing... are you pulling my pisser here or what? What type of sponsor do you mean, those shitty whatever4free ones that only pay about $1, or $35-$40 per sign-up ones.

I find it hard to believe that this is true... I mean, Hun can send double or triple the traffic you claim, and I've never heard anyone get anywhere near that many sign-ups.

Don't get me wrong, I love your sites, and submit to them all the time, but I just wantted some clerification on this statement... and if it';s true, I'd gladly buy some of your top listings (which I must say see very fairly priced)

Westin

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[Shap]

Hi Westin,

I've know a few people that have done 150 signups in a day off the hun. We even did 65 off Marks once.

On my site from what I remember there was a couple of people that knocked down 50 to 65 in a day off bigbreastlovers to some amateur site. Now i'm not saying you would get that much. The average for a good gallery seems to be in the 5 to 10 range on sexape and picwarehouse and I'd say a good gallery can easily do 10 to 20 on bigbreastlovers. Which, if you know my prices, is still very good.

Shap

[Shap]

Another thing that most people do not get the advantage of doing is seeing the results of a gallery over time. Sure you list a gallery 1 day and get zero signups. But if you leave that gallery up for 3 or 4 or 5 days you may get 20+ total signups from that gallery.
It sucks when you post and are removed after a day but when you aren't removed right away you would be surprised at how many extra signups you'd get

Shap

[boneprone]

Ok, I must retract my opinon posted earlier.. This is the real deal.. If it is shap or ANY of his sites it will work.. When he puts his mind to something it works..

Shap is boneprone approved, and is ABOVE the boneprone family itslef.. He is one of the Men among Boys in this crazy adut world and if you have the oppertunity to work on something like this with him ID be pushing and shoving to get in front of the line to get noticed to run with him.

Shap has always been close to the boneprone family and his sites are A+ quality.

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[boneprone]

Redshoe,

When you posted that detail on the first post that someone had that much traffic and was looking for this deal it sounded sooooooooooooo bogus that it almost sounded like a scam and youd only be wasting your time.. I had no idea it was Shap with his army of sites.. You hear soo many fucked ideas from "nobodys" its just an automatic response for me to think "fuck it, must be a scam" but this is the real deal. He is one of the bigest fuckers out there, and if you can work with him more power to ya.


Shap, about time you came to GFY, Welcome to the board.

boneprone 4-life.

[Hot Tropical Babes]

I love Shap and Boss, They have been real Sweethearts to Titman and Myself

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[Crutch]

I just want give shap props for not letting all the negative posts regarding his program affect what he believes in. I was watching the thread wondering if he was going to snap...lol
The guy had a good answer for everything. That's a good businessman.

To bad i dont post galleries....i would do it in a heartbeat.

And boneprone, wipe that shit from your nose man...don't be so obvious..lol

[Crutch]

Oh my god...lol

Boneprone, let me ask you a question man. Where's your head?


hmmmm
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but wait, who's site is this? Is this a legit site? Id have to know who we are talking about..
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I don't understand you man..LMAO....'they' already saw all your shit talking that you orginally posted, before your changed it to the above. Why do make yourself look so bad?

I don't mean to be dick, but from talking and working with the "big boys," it's shit like this that keeps them away from the boards.

Use your head man.

[BrettJ]

Sounds like a good idea to me. (personally i think the percentages should be modified a bit... cuz hosting is a major drag...and will eat up a lot of the gallery submitters earnings... unless you allow it to be free hosted)

Hell, if shap's sites convert for you - it's a fine way to guarantee an outcome. Plus you guys are acting like you would spend another 3 hours making this gallery. Not at all.. it's one that you've already built... you're just hookin up with him and making sure it gets posted.

Getting listed for 3-4 days is worth 50% in itself... as Shap said... there is a real difference in conversions from a one day post to a 3 day post. It's not just 3x's as you would expect.

~Brett

[Balljoints]

If I could make a gallery of 16 pics and be guaranteed 30-45 signups for each of them would I do it? HELL YES I would. Even if I had to pay $30 for each 16 pic set and pay the hosting for it.

30-45 signups per submission would easily be 1050-1350 per submission. And even 50% of that would be 400 in pocket no problem. Do that 5 days a week that would be an easy extra 2k a week with almost no work.

Wish it was that easy

If anyone can help me do this, let me know. I am more than open for this option Shit, I would even be open to putting 20-30 pics on each gallery for this type of signup ratio.

Balljoints



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[Sano]

Hi all, I cooperate with Shap and it's good deal ! When someone want a 5 clean galleries 2-3 times per week, tell me !

ICQ: 6578039
Sano

[jeanette]

Just had to comment on what askmomma said. Seems to me most places are moving towards charging for traffic. TGP's are doing this more and more, more SE's are charging for traffic, etc. There are always going to be people with money who are paying for it and its going to weed out those who don't/won't slowly. So I guess if they start charging and you stop posting, it will leave more spots for me : ) No TGP at this point unless it has zero traffic is going to have zero submissions.

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[Crutch]

I think shap has a good thing going here.
Look at it this way. The 50/50 = no money out of pocket for the webmaster. (correct me if i'm wrong)

Anyway, most places charge upfront. And if this is true above, then if you dont make money, he doesn't. And other options exists as he says. But i like the 50/50.

Your talking about a top TGP spot guaranteed daily with shitloads of traffic...as opposed to waiting every 3 or 4 days which doesn't even guarantee a listing.

The power comes from the numbers...you'd make a lot more money in the long run. Heck, not even the long run with those kind of numbers.

my 2cents