Snake Doctor

Personally I think they shouldn't.
Per sign up programs need them in order to pay you the flat rate per sale they offer, and with a per sign up program you don't care if the surfer recurs with the original site or not.

With partnership I need a member to sign up AND stay a long time.
If you offer a cross sale that decreases the odds of the surfer recurring at your site. They may like the other site better, or may not notice the pre-checked cross sale and end up charging back both items which costs me money also.

I don't think its fair for the site owner to send a surfer to another site and take their $15 for it, when I'm the one who sent the surfer and all I get is 60% of the 2.95 trial.

Discuss

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Living For Today

I'm against having email boxes and the like on the main page where I send my traffic to. Once a sale is made though I don't mind what the paysite owner puts on the inside so long as the content matches what the surfer signed up for.

In the end its the paysite owners choice and if you dont like it you dont have to promote it.

Snake Doctor

I don't think you understand the question man

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MuleScrote

Here's how I see it....

If a paysite has to worry about loosing members to an offered upsell, they need to reevaluate their own site. And the more a sponsor does for it's affiliates with free content, free hosting, hosted galleries...etc, the more likely they will be to offer upsells to members to generate some extra revenue.

If I owned a paysite and you wanted to make half of everything I made with it...I would expect you to pay for half of the content, hosting, marketing, design, and programming.

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cherrylula

If I pre-qualify traffic to send to a specific paysite, they sure as hell better not send it somewhere else. I hate leaky shit like that, not cool.

Why would I promote a site that just sends the surfer to another site? Especially a similar one. That says something about the original site in the first place.

When you go to McDonalds, do they give you coupons for Burger King?

Theo

Lenny, exactly my thoughts. I posted something similar yesterday.

Snake Doctor

You're forgetting that the affiliate is sending you traffic and using his own bandwidth, which are arguably the most expensive pieces of the paysite puzzle.

If you had zero affiliates and wanted to do alot of joins I'd bet at least half of your overhead would be spent buying traffic to get those joins.

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I understand the question perfectly. If the site rebills well with upsells in it then it doesn't really matter. So long as it's making me money good luck to the paysite owner.

mailman

yep.. i mean we are all revshare BUT we dont have crosssales, we do have a few pop ups BUT look at it this way..

partners means 50/50 90% of the time..

But lets take us for example..

60/40 revshare...

now with that 40% we get if you were sent by another webmastr we just lost another 10%

so now we are at 30% and with that 30% we have to deal with hosting, design and content as well all the work to update it and keep memers happy.

i do not see anything wrong with a revshare program setting up some cross sales IF anything it would be better for you guys promoting the websites in question being now with the extra $$ they get from cross sales they can get more content or better hosting have more updates and by doing this the member you just sent will stay a member longer making you a lot more money over time as well possibly give back more to the webmasters by having contests and give aways.

what ever the case it really just makes everyone happy in the e if you think about it...

MuleScrote

well said mailman

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mailman

well i am not saying Lenny is wrong with what he is asking i mean if you pick your program right anything they make will be put back into the program to make it better sure some might not care take that extra $$ and go with it.. but i mean if done right it can become very profatable and benifical to both parties.

MuleScrote

I understand his point also....and we don't use upsells either. I see higher payouts as a cost of business for the affiliate traffic. But if I'm promoting another site and I know ahead of time that they offer cross-sells, I don't have a problem with it as long as they are doing what they need to do to convert my traffic andprovide me the tools needed to sell their sites. That's all.

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Snake Doctor

Mailman I have to disagree with you.

You're talking about 30% but when you think about it every nickel you make from affiliate traffic is basically free money, its not your traffic AND if you buy traffic and it doesn't convert you lose $$.
If an affiliate sends you traffic and it doesn't convert you don't lose anything.

Partnership programs are at a big disadvantage to per sign up programs when trying to get affiliates to sign up and send traffic, I think it makes it even worse for them when they do something that negatively affects how long they can keep a member.

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mailman

exactly.. again pick your sites wisely and you can both win..

i mean if you cant convert worth a shit and if you do make a sale and it rebills mabey once you got the shit end.. but if you can promote a site that will send you rebills out the ass then why complain about it as i said the extra money i would think is used by most to make the sites better to make them convert and rebill better making you more money then a PPS, thus the whole point of a revshare.

Nader

mailman

again i guess it comes down to how good your traffic is and how well it will convert with the PPS.

OR just how you look at it in general.

some people swear by PPS because they have found a good program that will convert and over the course of a few months it pays off more then the 35$ they would get with someone eles.

this is a conversation that can honeslty go back and forth for ever! every webmaster has a reason they promote one and not the other hats why there is options out there...

really no point in getting in to it aobut something that honestly can not be resolved.