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BigWebRev 08-21-2004 02:31 PM

Pot grower faces murder charges for firefighter deaths
 
PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A house blaze that killed two firefighters started in a tangle of wires and lamps that were installed to grow marijuana in a basement closet, authorities said.

The man who police say was responsible for the drug operation was charged with third-degree murder.

Fire Capt. John Taylor, 53, and firefighter Rey Rubio, 42, died Friday when they were trapped by quick-moving flames while trying to find the source of the fire.

Fire officials said the fire started in the wiring set up to run the lamps and fans used to nurture the plants, and spread more quickly because the hot lights had dried out the wood in the closet.

In addition to murder, Daniel Brough, 35, faces charges of marijuana possession, involuntary manslaughter and causing a catastrophe.

Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham called Brough "reckless," "foolish" and "greedy."

Taylor, a 32-year veteran of the department, and Rubio, who had been fighting fires for 12 years, appeared to have died of smoke inhalation, officials said.

exposed 08-21-2004 02:32 PM

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exposed 08-21-2004 02:33 PM

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Chris 08-21-2004 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by BigWebRev
PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A house blaze that killed two firefighters started in a tangle of wires and lamps that were installed to grow marijuana in a basement closet, authorities said.

The man who police say was responsible for the drug operation was charged with third-degree murder.

Fire Capt. John Taylor, 53, and firefighter Rey Rubio, 42, died Friday when they were trapped by quick-moving flames while trying to find the source of the fire.

Fire officials said the fire started in the wiring set up to run the lamps and fans used to nurture the plants, and spread more quickly because the hot lights had dried out the wood in the closet.

In addition to murder, Daniel Brough, 35, faces charges of marijuana possession, involuntary manslaughter and causing a catastrophe.

Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham called Brough "reckless," "foolish" and "greedy."

Taylor, a 32-year veteran of the department, and Rubio, who had been fighting fires for 12 years, appeared to have died of smoke inhalation, officials said.

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Thank you
Chris

BRISK 08-21-2004 02:35 PM

How is that murder? I could maybe understand it being manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide, but murder?

freeadultcontent 08-21-2004 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by BigWebRev


Taylor, a 32-year veteran of the department, and Rubio, who had been fighting fires for 12 years, appeared to have died of smoke inhalation, officials said.

Someone has to be tasteless and say it.

At least he went out stoned.

Ok I feel dirty now.

BigWebRev 08-21-2004 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by JupZChris
Can I have a number to contact you at or an icq?

Thank you
Chris

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Chris 08-21-2004 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by BigWebRev
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Jdoughs 08-21-2004 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
How is that murder? I could maybe understand it being manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide, but murder?

When someone dies in the process of a crime, it is murder.

BRISK 08-21-2004 02:39 PM

Murder is the crime of intentionally causing the death of another human being. They think he intentionally caused the fire in the hope that it would kill someone? Am I missing something, because that sounds extremely unlikely.

BRISK 08-21-2004 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
When someone dies in the process of a crime, it is murder.
serious?

detoxed 08-21-2004 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
When someone dies in the process of a crime, it is murder.

The fire wasnt caused by a crime, it was caused by wiring. I bet he's found not guilty.

mardigras 08-21-2004 02:42 PM

So I take it if the electrical fire had been cause by too many things plugged in his entertainment system the murder charge would only be if he had a hacked satellite access card?:glugglug

BRISK 08-21-2004 02:42 PM

I learn something new every day

Felony murder statutes
Many jurisdictions in the United States have also adopted felony murder statutes, according to which anyone who commits a serious crime (a felony), during which a person dies, is guilty of murder. This applies even if one does not personally cause the person's death; for example, a driver for an armed robbery can be convicted of murder if one of the robbers killed someone in the process of the robbery, even though the driver was not present at and did not expect the killing.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Murder

Manowar 08-21-2004 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I learn something new every day

Felony murder statutes
Many jurisdictions in the United States have also adopted felony murder statutes, according to which anyone who commits a serious crime (a felony), during which a person dies, is guilty of murder. This applies even if one does not personally cause the person's death; for example, a driver for an armed robbery can be convicted of murder if one of the robbers killed someone in the process of the robbery, even though the driver was not present at and did not expect the killing.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Murder

woah, didnt know that was existance

freeadultcontent 08-21-2004 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I learn something new every day

Felony murder statutes
Many jurisdictions in the United States have also adopted felony murder statutes, according to which anyone who commits a serious crime (a felony), during which a person dies, is guilty of murder. This applies even if one does not personally cause the person's death; for example, a driver for an armed robbery can be convicted of murder if one of the robbers killed someone in the process of the robbery, even though the driver was not present at and did not expect the killing.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Murder

Yup, dont you ever watch Law & Order?

bjjb 08-21-2004 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Yup, dont you ever watch Law & Order?

LMFAO Exactly what I was thinking, even before I read your reply! ahahahahh

Magg 08-21-2004 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
The fire wasnt caused by a crime, it was caused by wiring. I bet he's found not guilty.

The wiring was being used for a crime.

BRISK 08-21-2004 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Yup, dont you ever watch Law & Order?
I haven't watched in years, I got tired of the predictable & lame witty one-liners that the cops would always say. CSI is going the same route I see.

DWB 08-21-2004 03:14 PM

If weed was not present, the firemen would of just died during duty? Add some weed and it's murder? That's fucked up.

And if a fire breaks out in say... A pedos house and the firemen die while pedo material is in the house, the pedo will be charged with murder because it just became a crime scene?

So.... if we start fires at all the pedos houses... :Graucho

EviLGuY 08-21-2004 03:18 PM

I think this is a little different then being the getaway driver for someone that murdered someone.

If a fire starts accidentally and the firefighter dies.. I don't see murder. Don't you have to have INTENT to kill someone to get murder? Causing someone's death without intent is manslaughter..

I dont think the murder charge will stand up.

Jdoughs 08-21-2004 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
If weed was not present, the firemen would of just died during duty? Add some weed and it's murder? That's fucked up.

And if a fire breaks out in say... A pedos house and the firemen die while pedo material is in the house, the pedo will be charged with murder because it just became a crime scene?

So.... if we start fires at all the pedos houses... :Graucho

That arguement is silly dude.

The guy was commiting felony cultivation, while doing his job , the fireman, had to put out a fire that was created by an illegal activity. Its unfortunate that he died, and im sure the grower feels like shit that someone innocent died for his crop.

But he is responsible for the mans death like it or not.

dready 08-21-2004 03:20 PM

1st degree murder will never hold up in court... like he killed them on purpose.

BRISK 08-21-2004 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by dready
1st degree murder will never hold up in court... like he killed them on purpose.
1st degree? Who said that?

Veterans Day 08-21-2004 03:23 PM

the idiocy on this board is purely amazing

DWB 08-21-2004 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
That arguement is silly dude.

The guy was commiting felony cultivation, while doing his job , the fireman, had to put out a fire that was created by an illegal activity. Its unfortunate that he died, and im sure the grower feels like shit that someone innocent died for his crop.

But he is responsible for the mans death like it or not.

It's not an arguement, it's an honest question.

This was not an intentional fire... it was an accident that just happened to be caused by LAMPS, which last I checked were not illegal. Growing, selling and possession of marijuana is, not having the lamps that grow it.

detoxed 08-21-2004 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Magg
The wiring was being used for a crime.
Its not a crime to have lights. Its a crime to grow marijuana. The lights were not illegal. The wiring was used for lights and fans. He will be found not guilty if it goes to court.

Veterans Day 08-21-2004 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
It's not an arguement, it's an honest question.

This was not an intentional fire... it was an accident that just happened to be caused by LAMPS, which last I checked were not illegal. Growing, selling and possession of marijuana is, not having the lamps that grow it.

dude are you serious?

Veterans Day 08-21-2004 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Its not a crime to have lights. Its a crime to grow marijuana. The lights were not illegal. The wiring was used for lights and fans. He will be found not guilty if it goes to court.
:1orglaugh If you dont think they will tie the possession charge in with the lamps and the grow operation, you definately smoke too much, your not gettin any sympathy from a jury killin a firefighter doing his job, dream on. The guy is done

detoxed 08-21-2004 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
:1orglaugh If you dont think they will tie the possession charge in with the lamps and the grow operation, you definately smoke too much, your not gettin any sympathy from a jury killin a firefighter doing his job, dream on. The guy is done

We'll see. He'll get a lesser charge, I guarantee he wont be found guilty of murder.

Sly_RJ 08-21-2004 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
serious?
That's how they start out, but I doubt he'll end up with it.

In a society where a company can be sued and lose because a woman spilled coffee on her lap, someone can be charged with murder for causing a fatal fire.

fr8 08-21-2004 07:00 PM

I feel bad that something like that happend. But thats just it, it happens. he wont be found guilty of murder.

MissMina 08-21-2004 07:02 PM

Where in Philly? I was born and raised there.

Living For Today 08-21-2004 07:04 PM

Only in america. but yeah....there is no way he will get done for murder. that would be fuckin ridiculous.

Doctor Dre 08-21-2004 07:22 PM

ROFL ... moral of the story : Don't grow weed in your own house (a place under your name)


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