then...

..."this just in, TERROR ALERT

*insert creepy ghost noise and siren*

did you read the rest of the topic before posting, lol it's been proven the add is nothing but lies.

Doesn't matter. Stuff like this leaves a lasting impression and people will keep having doubts, no matter how untrue the ad may be. That's the cool thing about attacking someone's character instead of his political positions - you don't need hard facts, just insinuations, half-truths and twisted versions of reality, and it will have a big effect.

I was under the impression that the Navy only accepted reasonably bright people...I see that is not the case. I spent 12 years in the Army. My last position was that of PLT SGT and I knew the name of every man than served under me...as well as the name of every man in my Company...and many of the names from other Companies within the Battalion...and either personally knew about their actions or heard about their actions.

You are correct.

The guy that's doing most of the bankrolling of this group ALSO was behind a bunch of negative attacks on John McCain when he ran against Bush in 2000 for the Republican nomation. In fact, McCain has come out big time and bitterly denounced this group and their ad.

Guess the Army had MUCH lower standards eh? :1orglaugh

The same group of people did this exact thing to McCain during the primaries, thats why it was Bush running against Gore in 2000...

:1orglaugh , kill yourself now if YOU really thinnk you have a say so who will be the the prez of the united states of israel..i love how people feel they actually have a voice..I ONLY VOTE becasue and out of respect for those of died so i can vote, i know for a fact the winner has already been choosen :)

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First you people forget the number Bushes people did on John McCain in the 2000 election they attacked his military service.
The Republicans had the balls to say Max Cleland wasnt patriotic, he only lost three limbs for his country.
It is fact that this is all Republican bullshit please dont be sheep you are smart people. Kerry served on active duty for four years, from February 1966 until March 1970, with approximately four months of that period as commander of a Swift boat in Vietnam.
He didnt have to sign up and he did. Lets talk about W's war record oh wait he doesnt have one. lol

I read this some where and its so true :
The Republicans who are questioning the military service of Senator John

Kerry should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves, and not for the

specious lies that they are giving sanction to on the internet and in right wing

newspapers. No, they should be ashamed of themselves because they have the

audacity to question the patriotism of a man who graduated from the most

prestigious university in this country, and decides that he is going to volunteer

for the Navy. Here, you have a man whose way was made. He could have done

anything in the world, but he decided to serve his country as a young lieutenant

in the Navy. He served with distinction. He served with bravery, and he served

with the knowledge that he was doing something that was going against his grain,

and after he had shed blood and caused blood to be shed, he realized that the war

that he had never favored was indeed wrong. He was wounded three times, and

though Republicans try to make his wounds less than what they were---the fact is

that any wound that he suffered was more than all the wounds that the ?chicken

hawks? of this administration have combined.

From John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography by the Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best


Why did Kerry, a Vietnam War opponent, decide to enlist? In addition to feeling obliged to serve his country (and wanting to go on the same adventure that his Yale friends were going on), Kerry says that part of the reason he enlisted in Vietnam was fear of the draft: "I called [the draft board] because I was thinking one of the options was, maybe I'll go study abroad, which was a euphemism for screwing around a bit, but it was clear to me that I was going to be at risk. My draft board ? said, 'Look, the likelihood is you are probably going to be drafted.' I said, 'If I'm going to be drafted, I'd like to have responsibility and be an officer.' "

So yes, he "volunteered" but it certainly wasn't the same level of the kids volunteering for today's military :winkwink:

But he did go he didnt hide in Texas like W? Why do you have no problem with W being a coward?

Mainly because I don't consider anyone who signs up for the military, be it active duty, National Guard or Reserves, a coward. :thumbsup

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80834,00.html

"please hide my kids from the army recruiters, i dont want them filling his head with lies."

be all you can be

:thumbsup

A ship is divided into quarters, even the smallest. The LST I was on although considered a biggie to that squadron was small. There were many people I knew only from seeing them in the mess hall without "knowing" them because people worked/slept in their own sections of the boat. We took on marine troops and equipment for some cruises but although I met a few of them in the course of day to day I would have to say that neither I nor anyone else in my department could have told you the names of more than a few names of the marines lodging on board. Actually a good number of our guys hated when the marines were on board and avoided them.

The suggestion that people in the military would automatically know anyone nearby yet ouside of their berthing area is ludicrous. I can tell you that from experience. If that makes me "not bright" then that was the norm then, can't tell you about now.

I want one of these Kerry bashers to say he was his bunkmate and actually saw him do anything.

You are aware at that time signing up for the national guard was a way to avoid going to vietnam. Its not like it is now and he didnt show up for a large chunk of it.

You know this I know you are a very smart woman well read . How can you back W when there is a good chance he gets another 4 yrs you wont be able to make a living ?

Well duh - recruiters are the used car salesmen on the military! My son's recruiter promised him all kinds of crap. Thankfully my son was smart enough to actually READ about the situation himself and see what was true and what was stretched a wee bit. :thumbsup

Reading and understanding a contract before you sign your name to it, especially when it has to do with the next 4 years of your life = a good thing.

First of all, Bush was hardly the only person in this country who didn't want to go to Vietnam. I get a kick out of those of you who talk about how bad the Iraq war is and we shouldn't be there, but then condemn someone who felt the same way about the Vietnam war.

And if you think for one minute that the Democrats won't bend to whatever the public wants as far as porn, then you're fooling yourself. Politicians do what their constituents want. Whomever is in the offices of lawmaking come November will do whatever they are told to do.

Plus I am quite capable of making money in other industries besides porn and I don't plan on voting for Bush. :thumbsup

I wouldn't say I got exactly what I thought I was signing up for at 17 but I will tell you I would not trade my military experience for anything, hindsight 20/20 and all that:glugglug

thats right, every industry has a customer service department :Graucho

Without exception, when I was getting information for my son, every person I asked said it was one of the hardest things they'd done and they would do it again. A few even said THEY would have paid instead of being paid for it. :thumbsup

Thanks for serving! :)

Considering I made over six figures plus full benefits at my last corporate CS job, I'm not too worried :)

Plus I'm studying real estate and I plan on doing a LOT of investing. :thumbsup You'd be amazed how good customer service skills help when you're talking to the good old boy investors at the court house steps picking up tax sales and foreclosures! :)

I'm not going to rub it in like some, I swear:winkwink:

i love it, 6 figures and still mentiones "benefits"

:1orglaugh

no need to brag, after 20 years in customer service you should be making that. :Graucho

I can't believe that you are all still worried about who will be President when you know Rick James died today.

:(





BiAAAATCH

That's still F'ing me up:(

Considering those benefits were worth an additional $20-30K a year (even more if you include my MCI stock which I sold before Worldcom screwed it over), I'd say it's worth mentioning :)

And of COURSE you'd expect to make WELL into the 6 figures after any 20 year career - 'tis why I said I'm not worried if porn went away :)

But I'll have more fun in real estate, I think :winkwink:

Having a hard time with that, aren't you JR? :(

this ad won't fly right. i predict BACKFIRE. :2 cents:

I did not serve in the Navy or on a Swift Boat...but having done a little research (google)...a Swift Boat has a normal crew of 6 which includes the boat Commander which is normally a Lieutenant/Lieutenant junior grade/Ensign.

The boat has sleeping quarters for 3 and no mess...thus the crew does not live on the boat other than when on a mission. The crews of the boats of Coastal Eleven...when not on a mission...were barracked together as were the boat Commanders. The crews of Coastal Eleven would have messed together as would have the boat Commanders. The boat Commanders would have been briefed together for various missions and possibily all of the crews of the different boats may have been present for the mission briefings. They would have had intimate knowledge of one another and would have served on some of the same missions together. They would be either personally aware of one anothers actions or would have heard of one anothers actions. If I am not mistaken an LST has several hundred crew members.

Yet you throw innuendos around about Kerry's military service like they were one dollar bills! GEEZ!

You are delusional!
"Constituents" want MORE jobs, better paying jobs, health care, a good environment, a sound energy policy, better education and ways to afford it, peace prosperity and many other things down the line!

Bush hasn't delivered on even ONE of those.
So, you still think the Prez does what Americans want him to do?

Very good point:thumbsup

You are also so right, politicians only do what their major contributors want.

Come November your question will be answered.

Constituents have more power than "major contributors" when they choose to use the power. The problem is...just as there are always low voter turnouts...constituents exercise their power in...what I suspect...are even lower numbers.

I personally find it repulsive that Kerry is using 4 months of military service 20+ years ago as a campaign tool. Last I checked I still had the right to think what I want. :)

I'm better off financially now than I was when Clinton was in office.

You're also talking about several things that the federal government shouldn't be involved in, IMHO.

Health care? Why should the government be involved in this at all?

Jobs? Again - why should the government be directly involved in getting people jobs? Improving the economy, yes. Getting people jobs, no. The outsourcing and elimination of jobs is something that has been happening for decades, but all of a sudden the federal government should pass LAWS to stop businesses from doing what they want to be profitable? Absurd.

Education? This should be handled at the local level, not federal.

The more I can keep the federal government out of my life, the better.

Large contributors are comprised of constituents. Constituents also vote in politicians from the local levels of government which have more to do with running the federal government than the president does. :thumbsup

Kerry served on active duty for four years, from February 1966 until March 1970, with approximately four months of that period as commander of a Swift boat in Vietnam.
Bush didnt served at all and for his duty didnt show up most of the time. Also as far as you used to make six figures in corporate america I have no doubt you did but how long ago was that?The wrold has changed. What are you going to fill the large gap on your resume with you worked for wegcash and pure cash? lol

that's the commerical that everyone has been talking about

I don't think a military career (or much anything else) that happened 20+ years ago should be the crux of ANYONE'S presidential campaign, get it? :)

And since I've been working for WEG/Pure for 4 months AND I've continued running other businesses at the same time AND I get at least a call a month from someone offering me a job in the corporate world, I'm not real concerned about any gaps in my resume :winkwink: Most of the jobs I've gotten in the past 15+ years didn't even require a resume. Someone called, asked me if I'd be interested in working for them and we went from there. Right now the adult biz makes up less than 1/2 of my income. If it stopped tomorrow I doubt I'd go back to the corporate world and I'd still survive financially.

you assclowns have such limited brain power, its amazing you can scratch out a living.
these guys were on other boats that worked with kerry's boat.
take the story of kerry pulling a fellow soldier out of the water.
That day there were 5 or so boats patroling together. all crews from the other boats contradict kerry's acount of what happened. thinking they have to be in the same boat to know went on is as stupid as saying if an infantry man didn't share a fox hole with someone, they have no idea what this guy did.

the stupidity here never fails to reach new hights:1orglaugh

The bottom line is someone isn't speaking truthfully. I tend to think since the Republicans are getting behind in the polls, its them who are fibbing and fluffing to make Kerry look bad.

You are right. The current admin have a history of attacking veterans who run for office either their miltary record (John McCain) or questioning their patriotism(Max Cleland). I cant believe people are so dense not to see a pattern.

You sound more like a Libertarian than a Nader voter, but here goes.

You say you voting Nader, why? If you really believe this about Health Care then why does Nader want benefits for all on a National Level.

http://www.greeninformation.com/NADEERHEALTHCARE.htm

"Ralph Nader said today that health care in the U.S. should be provided by a national health insurance program providing comprehensive benefits to all Americans and funded directly by the federal government under a "single-payer" system. "

If you are going to voete Nader as you keep insisting on the board, you should at least do it because he agree with your views not just because you dislike Kerry.

I tend to think its the one's getting paid that are more likely to lie.
go find out how many of the Kerry boys are on the campaign payroll.

I also look at the count.
we've got what? 5 guys supporting kerry and 20 against?

This is how stupid the Bushies are:


"U.S. officials providing justification for anti-terrorism alerts revealed details about a Pakistani secret agent, and confirmed his name while he was working under cover in a sting operation, Pakistani sources said on Friday.

A Pakistani intelligence source told Reuters Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan, who was arrested in Lahore secretly last month, had been actively cooperating with intelligence agents to help catch al Qaeda operatives when his name appeared in U.S. newspapers.


"After his capture he admitted being an al Qaeda member and agreed to send e-mails to his contacts," a Pakistani intelligence source told Reuters."

Bush was correct when he said, "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

Some of the people getting some of the 100+ million democrats raised.

Throw enough shit and some of it is bound to stick or at least the smell will linger! :2 cents: