where did all the conservatives go?

Kerry should have been a AWOL drug using drunk male cheerleader like Bush instead of going to war.

That would have made him a real patriot.

We're usually telling the truth. You're usually lying.

And how is the "Un-United States" today? :winkwink:

Time to change the country name yet? Fickle!!

There is good and bad in most folks, be it Kerry or Bush, tho Bush seems to have caused one massive load of damage than any President so far. It does not take any brain to see that Bush should never have even passed the "pre candidate" stage.

The problem may be related to "it's not always the best man that wins". If the system allows for the election of idiots - the fault lies with the people. It's not just about "politics" and bullshit about "conservatives", "democrats" and "liberals" - it is about the ability of a person to effectively conduct the biz of the country to the best advantage of all citizens, relate to other nations in an honorable way and not to lie on a daily basis with "slants".

This "Presidency" has totally fucked the repuation of the US and that will take a massive damage limitation exercise before it has any chance of recovery.

Kerry's war record is what it is - there was nothing to be "proud" of in Vietnam. At least he made the effort to serve as opposed to lying about serving. Tho what the hell a war record has to do with managing a country - I dunno :-)

Keep grinning and maybe there is a chance one day that the best man will win :winkwink:

Naah... you're usually just high and can't tell the difference.

No. We're telling the truth. Unlike your party of choice, we still frame our decisions in ethical terms before making them. Your party would rather see the country burn than not be in charge of it.

How do you feel about the lying Swiftboat ad?

They are not lying. The CIA gave them bad intel. :1orglaugh

Every person who served directly with Kerry except for one supports Kerry for president. The men who served with Kerry say Kerry is fit for command.

A bunch of Republicans who did not serve with Kerry are featured in the ad.

The guys running this ad did not serve with Kerry, they are lying in the ad.

Some of them worked for Nixon trying to make up stories about Kerry as well.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050001

I haven't seen it in it's entirety, but O'reilly and Dick Morris are talking about it right now (and not in a good light) and showing pieces, and it looks like it's a shitty ad... on par with any of the 50 moveon.org ads that i've seen on TV countless times.

Kerry gets a pass for the shitload of moveon ads.. cause he didn't run them, Bush gets on for this one for the same fucking reason.

But as was being discussed on local radio here (in Massachusetts)Kerry is threatening to sue any TV station that airs the ad... which is mildly ironic given that most porn webmasters are holding him up as a beacon of light for freedom of speech.

Mr.Fiction:

When you look at all the "half truths" and "unexplained" ads that appear on US TV for political campaigns - that shit is actually fraudulent. It does not match any "standards in advertising" and would often be deemed "illegal" in most *real* civilised societies.

It also says a lot about "US values"....

Maybe Kerry's four months in Vietnam wouldn't be so much of an issue if he didn't talk about it more than the 35 years of his life since.

:2 cents:

You approve of slander and libel? You think the adult industry should support libel and slander?

Would you have any problem with someone going on TV and claiming they were a police officer in your town who saw you murder a child?

Don't try to spin this for your hero, Bush.

The guys in the ad are lying about who they are and if you were Kerry you would sue them too.

if I were Kerry, I'd shoot myself.... after all.. he does have a lot of experience with self inflicted wounds : )

The Truth Hurts: Why does the truth hurt you so much?

This is what must make "America" great - the idiots who have a mouth and no brain...

rambler:

Just think about the motivation for that handle... it's called a mental disorder :winkwink:

The truth doesn't bother me in the least..
it's you fucking morons that wouldn't know the truth if it crawled up your ass and started breakdancing that cause me pain.

rambler:

See what I mean? :winkwink:

The handle was generated out of the brain of a "superior" being who has the desire to educate and clarify a "version" of some "truth" :-)

PS.. Some call it arrogance...

Actually, the handle was generated while listening to Addictive by Truth Hurts...

Your statements are incorrectly made. All of the people in the ad...except for one I think (the medical officer)...served with Senator Kerry. They did not serve under Senator Kerry but served with Senator Kerry in Coastal Division Eleven...on other boats in the Division or possibly some may have served in another capacity within the Division. Those that served on the boats...were barracked with Senator Kerry...and their boats would have served side by side of Senator Kerry's boat on some...if not all of the missions...that Senator Kerry's boat went on. Bottom line they would have personally known...or known of...Senator Kerry and the missions that he went on. They would have had their own opinion of Senator Kerry and their opinion of the actions that he took on a mission that they either participated in or heard about. They are entitled to their opinions of any individual and/or actions taken by any individual...in this case their opinion involves Senator Kerry.


Their opinions are of little import...as Senator Kerry's military record stands...as is...as officially recorded by the Navy.
His purple hearts...and other medals the Navy awarded him with... are veted at several different levels within the chain of command. The decision was made at the higher levels that the recommendations for the medals were valid...thus he was awarded the medals. What any single individual...or group of individuals offer as their opinion about the decisions made by the Navy is far above their pay grades...and should be of no import to anyone.

All right you little dipshit, I'd be happy to respond to you and the rest of the fucktards.

First point is just because you and the rest of the Kerry lovers say the book and the advertisement are trash doesn't make it so. Same for the DNC, CNN, Move-on.org, Michael Moore or your other information sources.

I'm originally from Massachesetts and have seen both O'Neill and Kerry in multiple debates in the 70's and I'm quite familar with both. I remember Kerry's trashing of Vietnam vets, the accusation of atrocities (which were never proven or verified), his admission of HIS OWN atrocities, tossing of metals, and his wonderful anti-war book which he is trying to hide now as well:

http://images.radcity.net/3153/578532.jpg

O'Neill is a veteran, and in fact served as replacement commander on the same boat as Kerry , except he served for a full year instead of bugging out early (4 months). So he has a rather direct connection to the story and the people involved.

To summarize and simplify the debate for you left wing morons; what you have is most of the guys( except 1) who served under Kerry saying he is a good guy. The boat has a six man crew. The SwiftVets are his fellow officers and enlisted men on the other boats in Coastal Division 11(Kerry's unit) are the ones questioning Kerry's action. Many of the missions were 2-4 boats so these guys are in a position to see Kerry up close and personal. What was even more damning is that Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, who was in charge of all the Swift Boats and other Naval units in the area is a member of this group and would have not granted Kerry the Silver Star if all the facts were known at that time. The medal was awarded within two days without the normal review.


The facts, accusations, details are all in the book. Multiple Naval officers and enlisted men specify events, dates and times. Without actually reading the book(#1 on Amazon w/o even being released) then how can you (digi-asshole) immediately dismiss it , unless you are a biased, close-minded, left-wing, jackass...... which like so many here, you undoubtably are. I'll read the book, wait for the rebuttals, and then make an informed decision. There is going to be a lot of debate on this subject.

http://drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...unfit_pdf.html
http://www.swiftvets.com (Currently under DDOS attacks from all you free-speech lovers)

An amusing Kerry site
http://www.wrko.com/listingsEntry.asp?ID=177492&PT=

ronbotx

"a biased, close-minded, left-wing, jackass"...let me elaborate upon your statement. dig420 is an ultra biased, ultra closed-minded...ultra left-wing, pothead jackass.

Oh fuck.. We got GFY's military authority helping out :1orglaugh

Still wearing that perverse sig that says a lot Pathfinder? :winkwink:

You have to be the most hypocritical poster in GFY history.

You are against Kerry saying that some people may have commited atrocities in Vietnam, which is a fact, but you support people accusing Kerry of atrocities in Vietnam, which is a lie.

How do you keep your lies and distortions straight? :1orglaugh

You have on multiple occasions called for the assination of the President of the United States of America and have even volunteered to be the assasin. You bash the United States of America almost daily...and virtually the entireity of its policies...domestic or other wise...and much of its very history. You are a recorded enemy of the United States of America...thus my enemy.

He's a republican thats how

Wow I read the pathfinder-death thread and now it all makes sense... he's a republican:1orglaugh

"Wow"...you are fucking...terribly misinformed...on both counts...kid.

You have the perfect GFY name, all the BS you spew is F I C T I O N. Kerry has trashed Vietnam Vets and admitted to atrocities during his anti-war days with Vietnam Vets against the War. Those are the facts jackoff. Do your homework idiot!

And no Swift vets are accusing him of atrocities, but saying his actions are questionable, some of his military record fabricated, he did not deserve the Silver Star he received, and he is UNFIT for Command and the presidency.

Funny how all the lefties get so upset if someone other than Bush is getting bashed.


"I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others, including shooting in free-fire zones, search-and-destroy missions, and burning villages." John Kerry

Thank you, "theking" for the clarification......
Seems to be an epidemic around here :)

oh yeah that's right ... you're really a liberal:winkwink:

Wrong again kid.

So have you!

Just so we are all clear on your motivation:

You are trashing Vietnam Vets because you are against the trashing of Vietnam Vets!

Keep it up, you just keep digging yourself in deeper. :1orglaugh

I've been a lurker here for a while now and I have to give The King credit, no matter how many times he gets owned by Mr Fiction and many others, he still keeps on blindly spewing his senile crap just like a Timex (takes a licken and keeps on ticken)

:thumbsup This ones for you GRAMPS!

I have never been "owned" kid...as all I post is fact...or my opinion...thus it is impossible to be "owned"...what ever the fuck that is supposed to mean to the juvenile mind. As for Mr Fiction he is like the "strawman" and needs to visit the Wizard...and the same action could only be an improvement for you.

You were owned as Pathfinder big time, which is why you faked your "death" and logged in 6 days after Pathfinder "died" to try and continue to post your idiotic views. All of the "big boys" on this board know this to be true, no matter how many times you will deny it.

But once and idiot..always an idiot, no matter how many alias's you use! :1orglaugh

As a wino & drug addict you do serve one purpose quite well on this board as the "court jester"..or more comonly known in medieval times,, "The Idiot!" :1orglaugh

Wrong on all counts...but since you cannot comprehend virtually anything at all...it is understandable.

Sure is funny how no one had a problem with Kerry's record until after the convention:1orglaugh

Where has this book been for the pass 30 years:1orglaugh

Where has these TX vet bashers been for the pass 30 yrs:321GFY

Hell of a way to serve the country and represent the country:helpme

I thought the last election year was bad with a stolen election but this one will be 10 times worse with you Bush folks:(

Sure is funny how no one had a problem with the electoral process before Gore lost.

I thought the last four years of whining and bitching were bad, yet nobody from the left has stepped up asking for a change, and the changes offered (electronic voting machines) by the right are all automatically being dismissed by the tinfoil hat crowd.