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TurboTrucker · 08-03-2004, 02:21 AM

The future of porn? How will surfers respond to this?

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I must now put the hugest asterik in a review I have ever put. The videos here are done with DRM, which stands for Digital Rights Management. Which is a system that only allows the content to be viewed while you are a member of the website. You are prompted for a password at the beginning of a movie. Even if its saved on your computer. Now, this could spark a big debate and I'm not going to use this review to push my opinion either way. Thats what the message board is for, and if anyone wants to discuss I'll be glad to talk about it there. But for now, lets just say that this feature is here, so unless you are planning to be a member of these sites for a long time, you will not be able to keep any of the content here on Teen Hitchhikers.

Major (Tom) · 08-03-2004, 02:27 AM

I think it's definatley going to be te way things are heading. We might as well embrace it now. I mean surfers pull enough tricks on us, i would feel much more secure knowing that only paying customers are viewing the content that I spend good money on to produce.
Duke

doornx · 08-03-2004, 02:41 AM

DMR can also be set to an unlimited license..so if you cancel you can still watch the movies..

As long as you have been a member in the past you can watch them..this will kill the use of P2P programs

Veterans Day · 08-03-2004, 02:53 AM

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Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
I mean surfers pull enough tricks on us
Duke

it goes both ways, how many surfers have been fucked?

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 02:56 AM

Chargeback hell.

Personally i think its ripping the surfers off. Not only that its scaring them from signing up for a site again in the future.

Also personally i would do a chargeback if i find out after a month i cant access the content i paid for. Unless theres a big fat link on the signup page about it ofcourse, then its my own fault.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 02:58 AM

What would you do as a surfer after a month when you find out about this system?

I would cancel, cb and find a site where i can keep the content i paid for.

EviLGuY · 08-03-2004, 02:59 AM

yeah I hate DRM.. just one more reason for surfers NOT to join a freaking paysite.

"Oh the last site I joined.. they had these videos that kept asking me for my password and shit, and it was a big fucking pain in the ass."

quiet · 08-03-2004, 03:01 AM

yeah, drm sounds like a wonderful idea... on the surface.

justsexxx · 08-03-2004, 03:02 AM

Well I like the idea of DRM which only allow the subscriber to view the porn. Even after the cancelled(unlimited license)

So no more sharing etc. However, my knowlegde over DRM is small, but what happens when a client buys a new pc, or new MOBO..Also can you not share the license somehow?

Andre

TDF · 08-03-2004, 03:04 AM

drm works

EviLGuY · 08-03-2004, 03:05 AM

Works for who?

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
drm works

Works for who and how?

KC · 08-03-2004, 03:07 AM

It would be interesting to test....

Offer two types of memberships.. and fully explain the differences.

a) Member gets access to the content in a DRM format for $29/month.

b) Member gets access to the content without DRM for $39/month.

I'd be willing to bet they'd still signup for the cheaper membership... Thoughts?

EscortBiz · 08-03-2004, 03:10 AM

Im using DRM for my new site www.tushyschool.com

You can set it where the code only needs to be entered once every 24 hours so they can watch as many clips as they want (if they have a current membership).

I have no doubt that this is how all exclusive sites will have to protect their content, its def better then embedding it.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
Im using DRM for my new site www.tushyschool.com

You can set it where the code only needs to be entered once every 24 hours so they can watch as many clips as they want (if they have a current membership).

I have no doubt that this is how all exclusive sites will have to protect their content, its def better then embedding it.

Will the surfer be able to watch them after the membership expires?

EviLGuY · 08-03-2004, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by KC
It would be interesting to test....

Offer two types of memberships.. and fully explain the differences.

a) Member gets access to the content in a DRM format for $29/month.

b) Member gets access to the content without DRM for $39/month.

I'd be willing to bet they'd still signup for the cheaper membership... Thoughts?

Of course they would.. people in general are cheap motherfuckers.

However, I think longterm DRM is going to hurt signups. I am honestly surprised that as many surfers signup now as they do, with all the bullshit we as adult webmasters have been pulling for YEARS.

EscortBiz · 08-03-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Will the surfer be able to watch them after the membership expires?

No

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
No

I really dont want to be rude but thats simply ripping surfers off.

EviLGuY · 08-03-2004, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
I really dont want to be rude but thats simply ripping surfers off.

.. and for this they get charged between $20 and $50 bucks a month.

I think in the future paysites will have to actually start giving their members some real value.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:18 AM

You maybe justify it by saying its a new system, its the future of billing but still that doesnt take away from the fact that youre ripping surfers off.

Veterans Day · 08-03-2004, 03:19 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
I really dont want to be rude but thats simply ripping surfers off.

I agree

EscortBiz · 08-03-2004, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
You maybe justify it by saying its a new system, its the future of billing but still that doesnt take away from the fact that youre ripping surfers off.

Who exactly am I ripping them off?

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
Who exactly am I ripping them off?

Do i need to explain that? You know exactly what im aiming at.

KC · 08-03-2004, 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

I have no doubt that this is how all exclusive sites will have to protect their content, its def better then embedding it.

I agree, I think content producers are spending too much money producing original exclusive content for them to not protect it with some version of DRM.

IMHO, within the next 1-2 years most producers not using some flavor of DRM will either be forced out of business or forced into renting a crappy trailer someplace.

File sharing networks are growing like crazy... They are extremely powerful and becoming more resilient by the day.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by KC
I agree, I think content producers are spending too much money producing original exclusive content for them to not protect it with some version of DRM.

IMHO, within the next 1-2 years most producers not using some flavor of DRM will either be forced out of business or forced into renting a crappy trailer someplace.

File sharing networks are growing like crazy... They are extremely powerful and becoming more resilient by the day.

I have no problem with drm as long as they can watch the content they downloaded after their membership expires.
Theres a difference between being greedy and protecting your content. 2 things some here seem to mix up.

EscortBiz · 08-03-2004, 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Do i need to explain that? You know exactly what im aiming at.

No I dont, what I do know is that I find my exclusive content all over the place, kazaa, different sites that upload it some in coutries or with hosts that dont care etc. and it simply became a nightmare.

Like anything new it will take time for people to get used to it.

Serge Litehead · 08-03-2004, 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
You maybe justify it by saying its a new system, its the future of billing but still that doesnt take away from the fact that youre ripping surfers off.

i don't see how DRM rips surfers, they engage into monthly membership, after their membership expires that's it no content, or you wanna sign up for one month d/l everything from the site and enjoy it for the rest of your life?

if you pay per item (be it single track, image, product) for pay for it so you keep it as long as you like or as long TOS allows you to keep it.
if you buy something on a timly basis you return.
legelly you cannot go to blockboster rent a movie for one day and keep it forever, you gotta pay for time you're keeping the movie.

KC · 08-03-2004, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
I really dont want to be rude but thats simply ripping surfers off.

I understand your point, but I disagree. People pay a monthly fee for ACCESS to a paysite's content for that month.

Look at the copy protection that's been built into other forms of media.

a) When you go to a movie theatre they don't allow video cameras (even though you paid to see the movie).

b) When you buy a copy of software (MS Office for example), you need a license Key.

It would be ripping the surfer off if you promised them they could download the content and watch it forever, but instead you gave them drm content.

I don't consider it ripping off the surfer If the surfer makes the incorrect assumption that they will own a license to the content beyond the 1 month membership they purchased.

TDF · 08-03-2004, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Works for who and how?

it works for us at wcpcash.The whole movies are DRM format but if the surfer wants to download the whole movie he has to do so in parts.The numbers are defnitely up since the streaming movies went to DRM format

KC · 08-03-2004, 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by holograph

legelly you cannot go to blockboster rent a movie for one day and keep it forever, you gotta pay for time you're keeping the movie.

The question is, Can one LEGALLY rent a DVD from blockbuster, rip it to their hard drive and watch it forever?

Probably not.

Is Blockbuster ripping the customer off if they could somehow prevent it?

I don't think so.

TDF · 08-03-2004, 03:36 AM

as surfers get smarter webmasters have to get smarter to protect their content.You have some surfers who can download your whole members area in a 3 day trial and move on to the next spot..i guess we are ripping them off

KC · 08-03-2004, 03:40 AM

Speaking of blockbuster and DRM

http://www.asia.cnet.com/newstech/pe...9138741,00.htm

New anti-piracy checks on Terminator 2 DVD
By John Lui, CNETAsia
Wednesday, July 2 2003 10:19 AM

A recent reissue of the blockbuster Terminator 2 contains a DVD-ROM version of the movie with a new anti-piracy technique: 5-day viewing licenses issued over the Internet.

The new digital rights management (DRM) system also looks up a PC's Internet address--if the computer has a non-U.S. number, playback of the DVD-ROM will be prevented.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by KC
I understand your point, but I disagree. People pay a monthly fee for ACCESS to a paysite's content for that month.

Look at the copy protection that's been built into other forms of media.

a) When you go to a movie theatre they don't allow video cameras (even though you paid to see the movie).

b) When you buy a copy of software (MS Office for example), you need a license Key.

It would be ripping the surfer off if you promised them they could download the content and watch it forever, but instead you gave them drm content.

I don't consider it ripping off the surfer If the surfer makes the incorrect assumption that they will own a license to the content beyond the 1 month membership they purchased.

Why are you comparing it with mainstream stuff? People have been able to watch movies after their membership exipres for as long as paysites exist. Thats the way it works. I find it kinda odd that you guys are looking for all kinds of excuses suddenly to change that. Why? Whats your point? Have good content and your member will stay. You dont need fucked up tricks for that.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
as surfers get smarter webmasters have to get smarter to protect their content.You have some surfers who can download your whole members area in a 3 day trial and move on to the next spot..i guess we are ripping them off

Dont offer trials if you cant handle it. This is your problem, not the surfers but somehow you manage to make it the surfers problem.

Bad business.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:46 AM

So, im confused what were talking about here.

Paysite owners with drm installed which expires after the member cancels do this because of what exactly?

Content protection like many people mention here? I dont think so, in that case you could give the member unlimited access to the downloaded content anyway since only they can view it.

So what are we talking about here?

TDF · 08-03-2004, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Dont offer trials if you cant handle it. This is your problem, not the surfers but somehow you manage to make it the surfers problem.

Bad business.

we dont offer trials anymore on BDIP..we have so much video no human on earth could even download all of our content in 3 days

You say drm is bad, I say its good and I outlined why DRM can be good..we can agree to disagree

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
we dont offer trials anymore on BDIP..we have so much video no human on earth could even download all of our content in 3 days You say drm is bad, I say its good and I outlined why DRM can be good..we can agree to disagree

pfff

KC · 08-03-2004, 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Why are you comparing it with mainstream stuff? People have been able to watch movies after their membership exipres for as long as paysites exist. Thats the way it works. I find it kinda odd that you guys are looking for all kinds of excuses suddenly to change that. Why? Whats your point? Have good content and your member will stay. You dont need fucked up tricks for that.

Just because they were capable of downloading videos and keeping them forever doesn't mean they had the right to do it.

We disagree on what the user is entitled to with a monthly membership.

I believe a member is entitled to whatever the paysite agreed to give them at the time the surfer joined. If the terms specify that the content expires at the end of their membership, those are the terms. If the surfer agrees to it, they are DEFINITELY not being fucked.

Even if the terms of membership do not exist the surfer still has no license to the content, after the membership expires, since there are no terms that say that he does!

William-Xfactor · 08-03-2004, 04:08 AM

Yeah take your crappy 512k wmv movies and put drm on them lol

I will continue to offer my customers big fat juicy MPEGS

That should look good on my tours " BIG FAT JUICY MPEGS, NO DRM!"

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by KC
Just because they were capable of downloading videos and keeping them forever doesn't mean they had the right to do it.

We disagree on what the user is entitled to with a monthly membership.

I believe a member is entitled to whatever the paysite agreed to give them at the time the surfer joined. If the terms specify that the content expires at the end of their membership, those are the terms. If the surfer agrees to it, they are DEFINITELY not being fucked.

Even if the terms of membership do not exist the surfer still has no license to the content, after the membership expires, since there are no terms that say that he does!

So whats your point, what are you after? Youre saying the member is gonna sign up again or rebill because he wants to view your content for another month?

Im with William on this one. I cant wait for everybody to change to this awesome super duper innovative idea. Im happy to take over your members who feel ripped off and offer them drm free movies.

Serge Litehead · 08-03-2004, 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
So whats your point, what are you after? Youre saying the member is gonna sign up again or rebill because he wants to view your content for another month?

Im with William on this one. I cant wait for everybody to change to this awesome super duper innovative idea. Im happy to take over your members who feel ripped off and offer them drm free movies.

the point is to protect exclusive quality content. if you're producer you don't want your content to end up in ripped free download areas such kazaa

if there was a painless way to protect images either per computer or per allowed time, images would be protected too.

strats · 08-03-2004, 04:23 AM

this is where simple things like automatically entering the passcode and username for each movie is done..

.. nobody, NOBODY wants to type in a password and username to flip on some juice

Theo · 08-03-2004, 04:26 AM

at this point of time DRM is necessary in order to keep payouts high.

justsexxx · 08-03-2004, 04:30 AM

Okay,

so

1. DRM ONLY works for WMV files(i prefer mpeg so they can scroll through the movies, but that is another issue)
2. It looks like it's possible to set a passwrd for 24/x hours so members don't have to enter their passcode every time
3. Is it possible at the moment surfer X has joined the site, HE will be able to view the content from my site he has downloaded FOREVER?

Andre

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 04:36 AM

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Originally posted by holograph
the point is to protect exclusive quality content. if you're producer you don't want your content to end up in ripped free download areas such kazaa

if there was a painless way to protect images either per computer or per allowed time, images would be protected too.

You mustve missed my point. If this is about protecting content then why is everybody going after the 1 month option where the surfer wont be able to access his downloaded content anymore.

Explain that please. Protecting content doesnt seem to be the real issue here.

Theo · 08-03-2004, 04:36 AM

From what i know its up to you (paysite owner) to determine these variables.

TurboTrucker · 08-03-2004, 04:38 AM

DRM seems like a good way to keep videos off kazaa, but making it so they quit working when your membership expires will surely piss off the surfers. They aren't used to that and will feel ripped off.

Dirty F · 08-03-2004, 04:40 AM

Ok, almost 50 posts and nobody who uses drm can tell me why exactly they are using it. The people who said to protect content didnt explain the 1 month limit.

How odd.

bigdog · 08-03-2004, 04:41 AM

what happens when drm is cracked

Theo · 08-03-2004, 04:43 AM

Mainly it is used to keep the surfers more and not to protect content.

08-03-2004, 02:27 AM	#2
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,549	I think it's definatley going to be te way things are heading. We might as well embrace it now. I mean surfers pull enough tricks on us, i would feel much more secure knowing that only paying customers are viewing the content that I spend good money on to produce. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

08-03-2004, 02:41 AM	#3
doornx Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ICQ : 946 3375 Posts: 2,531	DMR can also be set to an unlimited license..so if you cancel you can still watch the movies.. As long as you have been a member in the past you can watch them..this will kill the use of P2P programs __________________ Send me a PM for design work

08-03-2004, 03:01 AM	#8
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	yeah, drm sounds like a wonderful idea... on the surface. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

08-03-2004, 03:02 AM	#9
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Well I like the idea of DRM which only allow the subscriber to view the porn. Even after the cancelled(unlimited license) So no more sharing etc. However, my knowlegde over DRM is small, but what happens when a client buys a new pc, or new MOBO..Also can you not share the license somehow? Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

08-03-2004, 03:04 AM	#10
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	drm works __________________ Sig heil

08-03-2004, 02:56 AM	#5
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Chargeback hell. Personally i think its ripping the surfers off. Not only that its scaring them from signing up for a site again in the future. Also personally i would do a chargeback if i find out after a month i cant access the content i paid for. Unless theres a big fat link on the signup page about it ofcourse, then its my own fault.

08-03-2004, 02:58 AM	#6
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	What would you do as a surfer after a month when you find out about this system? I would cancel, cb and find a site where i can keep the content i paid for.

08-03-2004, 02:59 AM	#7
EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	yeah I hate DRM.. just one more reason for surfers NOT to join a freaking paysite. "Oh the last site I joined.. they had these videos that kept asking me for my password and shit, and it was a big fucking pain in the ass."

08-03-2004, 03:05 AM	#11
EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	Works for who?

08-03-2004, 03:07 AM	#13
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	It would be interesting to test.... Offer two types of memberships.. and fully explain the differences. a) Member gets access to the content in a DRM format for $29/month. b) Member gets access to the content without DRM for $39/month. I'd be willing to bet they'd still signup for the cheaper membership... Thoughts? __________________ Jupiter Hosting, Inc. Vice President, Business Development kc (AT) jupiterhosting.com

08-03-2004, 03:10 AM	#14
EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	Im using DRM for my new site www.tushyschool.com You can set it where the code only needs to be entered once every 24 hours so they can watch as many clips as they want (if they have a current membership). I have no doubt that this is how all exclusive sites will have to protect their content, its def better then embedding it. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

08-03-2004, 03:18 AM	#20
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	You maybe justify it by saying its a new system, its the future of billing but still that doesnt take away from the fact that youre ripping surfers off.

08-03-2004, 03:36 AM	#31
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	as surfers get smarter webmasters have to get smarter to protect their content.You have some surfers who can download your whole members area in a 3 day trial and move on to the next spot..i guess we are ripping them off __________________ Sig heil

08-03-2004, 03:40 AM	#32
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	Speaking of blockbuster and DRM http://www.asia.cnet.com/newstech/pe...9138741,00.htm New anti-piracy checks on Terminator 2 DVD By John Lui, CNETAsia Wednesday, July 2 2003 10:19 AM A recent reissue of the blockbuster Terminator 2 contains a DVD-ROM version of the movie with a new anti-piracy technique: 5-day viewing licenses issued over the Internet. The new digital rights management (DRM) system also looks up a PC's Internet address--if the computer has a non-U.S. number, playback of the DVD-ROM will be prevented. __________________ Jupiter Hosting, Inc. Vice President, Business Development kc (AT) jupiterhosting.com

08-03-2004, 03:46 AM	#35
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	So, im confused what were talking about here. Paysite owners with drm installed which expires after the member cancels do this because of what exactly? Content protection like many people mention here? I dont think so, in that case you could give the member unlimited access to the downloaded content anyway since only they can view it. So what are we talking about here?

08-03-2004, 04:08 AM	#39
William-Xfactor Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 299	Yeah take your crappy 512k wmv movies and put drm on them lol I will continue to offer my customers big fat juicy MPEGS That should look good on my tours " BIG FAT JUICY MPEGS, NO DRM!"

08-03-2004, 04:23 AM	#42
strats Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,805	this is where simple things like automatically entering the passcode and username for each movie is done.. .. nobody, NOBODY wants to type in a password and username to flip on some juice

08-03-2004, 04:26 AM	#43
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	at this point of time DRM is necessary in order to keep payouts high.

08-03-2004, 04:30 AM	#44
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Okay, so 1. DRM ONLY works for WMV files(i prefer mpeg so they can scroll through the movies, but that is another issue) 2. It looks like it's possible to set a passwrd for 24/x hours so members don't have to enter their passcode every time 3. Is it possible at the moment surfer X has joined the site, HE will be able to view the content from my site he has downloaded FOREVER? Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

08-03-2004, 04:36 AM	#46
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	From what i know its up to you (paysite owner) to determine these variables.

08-03-2004, 04:38 AM	#47
TurboTrucker Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix Arizona Posts: 2,363	DRM seems like a good way to keep videos off kazaa, but making it so they quit working when your membership expires will surely piss off the surfers. They aren't used to that and will feel ripped off. __________________

08-03-2004, 04:40 AM	#48
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Ok, almost 50 posts and nobody who uses drm can tell me why exactly they are using it. The people who said to protect content didnt explain the 1 month limit. How odd.

08-03-2004, 04:41 AM	#49
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	what happens when drm is cracked

08-03-2004, 04:43 AM	#50
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Mainly it is used to keep the surfers more and not to protect content.