Reality Cash movies DRM?
 

The future of porn? How will surfers respond to this?

I think it's definatley going to be te way things are heading. We might as well embrace it now. I mean surfers pull enough tricks on us, i would feel much more secure knowing that only paying customers are viewing the content that I spend good money on to produce.
Duke

DMR can also be set to an unlimited license..so if you cancel you can still watch the movies..

As long as you have been a member in the past you can watch them..this will kill the use of P2P programs

it goes both ways, how many surfers have been fucked?

Chargeback hell.

Personally i think its ripping the surfers off. Not only that its scaring them from signing up for a site again in the future.

Also personally i would do a chargeback if i find out after a month i cant access the content i paid for. Unless theres a big fat link on the signup page about it ofcourse, then its my own fault.

What would you do as a surfer after a month when you find out about this system?

I would cancel, cb and find a site where i can keep the content i paid for.

yeah I hate DRM.. just one more reason for surfers NOT to join a freaking paysite.

"Oh the last site I joined.. they had these videos that kept asking me for my password and shit, and it was a big fucking pain in the ass."

yeah, drm sounds like a wonderful idea... on the surface.

Well I like the idea of DRM which only allow the subscriber to view the porn. Even after the cancelled(unlimited license)

So no more sharing etc. However, my knowlegde over DRM is small, but what happens when a client buys a new pc, or new MOBO..Also can you not share the license somehow?

Andre

drm works

Works for who?

Works for who and how?

It would be interesting to test....

Offer two types of memberships.. and fully explain the differences.

a) Member gets access to the content in a DRM format for $29/month.

b) Member gets access to the content without DRM for $39/month.

I'd be willing to bet they'd still signup for the cheaper membership... Thoughts?

Im using DRM for my new site www.tushyschool.com

You can set it where the code only needs to be entered once every 24 hours so they can watch as many clips as they want (if they have a current membership).

I have no doubt that this is how all exclusive sites will have to protect their content, its def better then embedding it.

Will the surfer be able to watch them after the membership expires?

Of course they would.. people in general are cheap motherfuckers.

However, I think longterm DRM is going to hurt signups. I am honestly surprised that as many surfers signup now as they do, with all the bullshit we as adult webmasters have been pulling for YEARS.

No

I really dont want to be rude but thats simply ripping surfers off.

.. and for this they get charged between $20 and $50 bucks a month. :1orglaugh

I think in the future paysites will have to actually start giving their members some real value.

You maybe justify it by saying its a new system, its the future of billing but still that doesnt take away from the fact that youre ripping surfers off.

I agree

Who exactly am I ripping them off?

Do i need to explain that? You know exactly what im aiming at.

I agree, I think content producers are spending too much money producing original exclusive content for them to not protect it with some version of DRM.

IMHO, within the next 1-2 years most producers not using some flavor of DRM will either be forced out of business or forced into renting a crappy trailer someplace.

File sharing networks are growing like crazy... They are extremely powerful and becoming more resilient by the day.

I have no problem with drm as long as they can watch the content they downloaded after their membership expires.
Theres a difference between being greedy and protecting your content. 2 things some here seem to mix up.

No I dont, what I do know is that I find my exclusive content all over the place, kazaa, different sites that upload it some in coutries or with hosts that dont care etc. and it simply became a nightmare.

Like anything new it will take time for people to get used to it.

i don't see how DRM rips surfers, they engage into monthly membership, after their membership expires that's it no content, or you wanna sign up for one month d/l everything from the site and enjoy it for the rest of your life?

if you pay per item (be it single track, image, product) for pay for it so you keep it as long as you like or as long TOS allows you to keep it.
if you buy something on a timly basis you return.
legelly you cannot go to blockboster rent a movie for one day and keep it forever, you gotta pay for time you're keeping the movie.

I understand your point, but I disagree. People pay a monthly fee for ACCESS to a paysite's content for that month.

Look at the copy protection that's been built into other forms of media.

a) When you go to a movie theatre they don't allow video cameras (even though you paid to see the movie).

b) When you buy a copy of software (MS Office for example), you need a license Key.

It would be ripping the surfer off if you promised them they could download the content and watch it forever, but instead you gave them drm content.

I don't consider it ripping off the surfer If the surfer makes the incorrect assumption that they will own a license to the content beyond the 1 month membership they purchased.

it works for us at wcpcash.The whole movies are DRM format but if the surfer wants to download the whole movie he has to do so in parts.The numbers are defnitely up since the streaming movies went to DRM format

The question is, Can one LEGALLY rent a DVD from blockbuster, rip it to their hard drive and watch it forever?

Probably not.

Is Blockbuster ripping the customer off if they could somehow prevent it?

I don't think so.

as surfers get smarter webmasters have to get smarter to protect their content.You have some surfers who can download your whole members area in a 3 day trial and move on to the next spot..i guess we are ripping them off:1orglaugh

Speaking of blockbuster and DRM

http://www.asia.cnet.com/newstech/pe...9138741,00.htm

New anti-piracy checks on Terminator 2 DVD
By John Lui, CNETAsia
Wednesday, July 2 2003 10:19 AM

A recent reissue of the blockbuster Terminator 2 contains a DVD-ROM version of the movie with a new anti-piracy technique: 5-day viewing licenses issued over the Internet.

The new digital rights management (DRM) system also looks up a PC's Internet address--if the computer has a non-U.S. number, playback of the DVD-ROM will be prevented.

Why are you comparing it with mainstream stuff? People have been able to watch movies after their membership exipres for as long as paysites exist. Thats the way it works. I find it kinda odd that you guys are looking for all kinds of excuses suddenly to change that. Why? Whats your point? Have good content and your member will stay. You dont need fucked up tricks for that.

Dont offer trials if you cant handle it. This is your problem, not the surfers but somehow you manage to make it the surfers problem.

Bad business.

So, im confused what were talking about here.

Paysite owners with drm installed which expires after the member cancels do this because of what exactly?

Content protection like many people mention here? I dont think so, in that case you could give the member unlimited access to the downloaded content anyway since only they can view it.

So what are we talking about here?

we dont offer trials anymore on BDIP..we have so much video no human on earth could even download all of our content in 3 days:) You say drm is bad, I say its good and I outlined why DRM can be good..we can agree to disagree

pfff

Just because they were capable of downloading videos and keeping them forever doesn't mean they had the right to do it.

We disagree on what the user is entitled to with a monthly membership.

I believe a member is entitled to whatever the paysite agreed to give them at the time the surfer joined. If the terms specify that the content expires at the end of their membership, those are the terms. If the surfer agrees to it, they are DEFINITELY not being fucked.

Even if the terms of membership do not exist the surfer still has no license to the content, after the membership expires, since there are no terms that say that he does!

Yeah take your crappy 512k wmv movies and put drm on them lol


I will continue to offer my customers big fat juicy MPEGS

That should look good on my tours " BIG FAT JUICY MPEGS, NO DRM!"

:Graucho

So whats your point, what are you after? Youre saying the member is gonna sign up again or rebill because he wants to view your content for another month?

Im with William on this one. I cant wait for everybody to change to this awesome super duper innovative idea. Im happy to take over your members who feel ripped off and offer them drm free movies.

the point is to protect exclusive quality content. if you're producer you don't want your content to end up in ripped free download areas such kazaa

if there was a painless way to protect images either per computer or per allowed time, images would be protected too.

this is where simple things like automatically entering the passcode and username for each movie is done..

.. nobody, NOBODY wants to type in a password and username to flip on some juice

at this point of time DRM is necessary in order to keep payouts high.

Okay,

so

1. DRM ONLY works for WMV files(i prefer mpeg so they can scroll through the movies, but that is another issue)
2. It looks like it's possible to set a passwrd for 24/x hours so members don't have to enter their passcode every time
3. Is it possible at the moment surfer X has joined the site, HE will be able to view the content from my site he has downloaded FOREVER?

Andre

You mustve missed my point. If this is about protecting content then why is everybody going after the 1 month option where the surfer wont be able to access his downloaded content anymore.

Explain that please. Protecting content doesnt seem to be the real issue here.

From what i know its up to you (paysite owner) to determine these variables.

DRM seems like a good way to keep videos off kazaa, but making it so they quit working when your membership expires will surely piss off the surfers. They aren't used to that and will feel ripped off.

Ok, almost 50 posts and nobody who uses drm can tell me why exactly they are using it. The people who said to protect content didnt explain the 1 month limit.

How odd.

what happens when drm is cracked

Mainly it is used to keep the surfers more and not to protect content.