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theking · 08-03-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches
Must be the Army - most of the other branches won't touch you if you've had any trouble with the law.

Life is full of choices. Your cousin chose to steal something from someone else. Your cousin chose to go into the military instead of serving jail time.

Yes, it's funny how American gets their soldiers in this all volunteer military - they get them from people making the choice to join.

The charges would have been dismissed by the Judge with the agreement that he enter the military. No military branch will accept a convicted felon. Some branches will not take someone that has been convicted of a misdeamenor...some will take someone convicted of a misdeamenor...dependent upon what the misdeamenor is.

Fred Quimby · 08-03-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
And thats all my post was about.

The gov says it will do one thing for its maimed and hurt, it does another.

Tell me your family has been rewarded for serving and I will send you an Easter card ;)

Other than that I have never seen the gov step up and take care of the soldiers.

My dad is ex-NAVY and he gets the shittyest (sp) treatment at the VA hospital.

Thank GOD my wife is a nurse and she got him out if that awful place

Fletch XXX · 08-03-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Fred Quimby
My dad is ex-NAVY and he gets the shittyest (sp) treatment at the VA hospital.

Thank GOD my wife is a nurse and she got him out if that awful place

I did active fund-raising for veteran Hospitals for 5 years. I personally raised, 10s of thousands...

To anyone claiming the government takes care of its victims, drive to a VA hospital, talk to a few soldiers, see how it is being maimed.

See how frequent the checks come.

See how long it takes you to get medication.

THEN come here and tell me life is all good after you lose both your legs and have a scarred face and soul.

the government doesnt give a shit, is never has.

Jdoughs · 08-03-2004, 06:54 PM

Another thing that occured to me while rereading this post..

I bet almost all americans would have accepted more then 1000 as an "acceptable number of casualities" if asked on Sept 11th.

If i was asked if i would risk 1k of my countrymen to avenge and retribute the brutal attack and murder of 3000 innocent people (over the course of a couple year campaign)..i would say yes

stereolab · 08-03-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
Another thing that occured to me while rereading this post..

I bet almost all americans would have accepted more then 1000 as an "acceptable number of casualities" if asked on Sept 11th.

If i was asked if i would risk 1k of my countrymen to avenge and retribute the brutal attack and murder of 3000 innocent people..i would say yes

agreed. but what does this have to do with Iraq?

Captin_America · 08-03-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
How many Russians died in Afganistan? What about in Chechnia?

That is because they are inferior to USA military.

Fletch XXX · 08-03-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
If i was asked if i would risk 1k of my countrymen to avenge and retribute the brutal attack and murder of 3000 innocent people (over the course of a couple year campaign)..i would say yes

So now Iraq was revenge for Sept 11th?

I though Osama Bin Laden did that?

Is he in Baghdad?

Fletch XXX · 08-03-2004, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Captin_America
That is because they are inferior to USA military.

I can already tell I am going to love this guy

heheh

Jdoughs · 08-03-2004, 07:00 PM

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agreed. but what does this have to do with Iraq?

So now Iraq was revenge for Sept 11th?

I though Osama Bin Laden did that?

Is he in Baghdad?

OK lesson one...thread titles

" 1,000 soldiers dead since 9/11 "

With a combination of what the thread title is and whats posted on the first post, we can generally get a good look at what the Thread Starter is speaking upon. Using this information we can then PROPERLY respond to it and work at constructing a GOOD, RELEVANT DISCUSSION.

LMAO just fuckin with ya...i was responding to what occured to me while reading the thread, not the current discussion on iraq

Stamen · 08-03-2004, 07:11 PM

I believe the problem is Iraq, not that Americans are being pussies about war.

When we went to Afghanistan, no one said shit - because we had a reason to be there. In WW2, no one said shit because we had a reason to be there.

Iraq is another Vietnam, we fly our troops halfway around the world for a cause that isn't really defined, and when the original reasons turn out false, we get another excuse from officials. The only difference is that in Vietnam we didn't have the technology that we do today, or there would be many more dead US soldiers.

1000 dead is unacceptable, ecspecially when considering the MUCH higher toll of those crippled and maimed from the war.

Rochard · 08-03-2004, 07:26 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, the greatest generation has come and gone. There was once a time when being part of our military was commendable thing, and time was served with honor. People willingly signed up to join our armed forces because they believed in the United States, the office of the President, and what it stood for.

One thousand members of our armed forces have died. This is a horrible thing. But it is vastly outweighed by the good done here. The middle east, while sitting on billions of dollars worth of oil, are still ranked as third world nations while their leaders build palaces. This was a government that openly supported terrorism in many forms while gassing tens of thousands of people.

What the United States has done here is both right and just; I don't give a rat's ass who is getting rich off of it.

And before any of you question my family's military background, please note that my Grandfather died in WWII as a US Marine, my father died in Vietnam as a US Marine when I was nine months old, and I also served as a United States Marine.

Fletch XXX · 08-03-2004, 07:30 PM

no kids should die for your fucking oil

"We value an America that controls its own destiny because it's finally and forever independent of Mideast oil. What does it mean for our economy and our national security when we have only 3 percent of the world's oil reserves, yet we rely on foreign countries for 53 percent of what we consume?

I want an America that relies on its ingenuity and innovation, not the Saudi royal family. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/29/po...rint&position=

america rather send its kids to die than use its ingenuity

Viper2K1 · 08-03-2004, 08:21 PM

The american government seems to get away with just about everything since 9/11

ask more money, less privacy, alot of dead soldiers, etc

magic word that they use to make people approve all this: terrorism

ofcourse they don't give a shit about those soldiers, they never did

about Osama Bin Laden, funny how after so many years of looking for this fucker the US "can't" track him down.

Peaches · 08-03-2004, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Ladies and Gentlemen, the greatest generation has come and gone. There was once a time when being part of our military was commendable thing, and time was served with honor. People willingly signed up to join our armed forces because they believed in the United States, the office of the President, and what it stood for.

One thousand members of our armed forces have died. This is a horrible thing. But it is vastly outweighed by the good done here. The middle east, while sitting on billions of dollars worth of oil, are still ranked as third world nations while their leaders build palaces. This was a government that openly supported terrorism in many forms while gassing tens of thousands of people.

What the United States has done here is both right and just; I don't give a rat's ass who is getting rich off of it.

And before any of you question my family's military background, please note that my Grandfather died in WWII as a US Marine, my father died in Vietnam as a US Marine when I was nine months old, and I also served as a United States Marine.

theking · 08-03-2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Ladies and Gentlemen, the greatest generation has come and gone. There was once a time when being part of our military was commendable thing, and time was served with honor. People willingly signed up to join our armed forces because they believed in the United States, the office of the President, and what it stood for.

One thousand members of our armed forces have died. This is a horrible thing. But it is vastly outweighed by the good done here. The middle east, while sitting on billions of dollars worth of oil, are still ranked as third world nations while their leaders build palaces. This was a government that openly supported terrorism in many forms while gassing tens of thousands of people.

What the United States has done here is both right and just; I don't give a rat's ass who is getting rich off of it.

And before any of you question my family's military background, please note that my Grandfather died in WWII as a US Marine, my father died in Vietnam as a US Marine when I was nine months old, and I also served as a United States Marine.

A good post...but I will point out that there are still those that think serving in the military is an honorable thing. Since Afghanistan and now Iraq...retention levels are good to go and all branches are more than meeting their enlistment requirements. There have always been the fuckwads that mock the patriots that put their lives on the line for those very fuckwads...though admittedly the fuckwads seem to be more numerous than ever.

Rochard · 08-03-2004, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by theking
A good post...but I will point out that there are still those that think serving in the military is an honorable thing. Since Afghanistan and now Iraq...retention levels are good to go and all branches are more than meeting there enlistment requirements. There have always been the fuckwads that mock the patriots that put there lives on the line for those very fuckwads...though admittedly the fuckwads seem to be more numerous than ever.

You said "good to go" - What branch of the service were you in?

It's been said that anyone in the militrary spends their time training for war, but the last thing a professional soldier wants is to go to war. I was there and was willing if needed. But nothing pisses me off than keyboard warriors.

theking · 08-03-2004, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
You said "good to go" - What branch of the service were you in?

It's been said that anyone in the militrary spends their time training for war, but the last thing a professional soldier wants is to go to war. I was there and was willing if needed. But nothing pisses me off than keyboard warriors.

I served 12 years with the 82nd Airborne...and my career was ended during Desert Storm.

kowntafit · 08-03-2004, 11:29 PM

You'd think people would have worked out how to live with out having to go to war. It seems so primative.

Honeyslut · 08-04-2004, 12:52 AM

Fletch

What breed of dog did your cousin steal ?

contentjunky · 08-04-2004, 01:41 AM

Too many fucking soldiers had to die for this deal. Stupid war. We shouldnt even be there at all. Whatever happend to the phrase SNOOP AND POOP. Sneak Around first, take people out silently, avoid the WAR. Send in spies, under cover people, Rats and people to help out first. Always seems better to me being a Marine from Desert Storm.

sacX · 08-04-2004, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard

One thousand members of our armed forces have died. This is a horrible thing. But it is vastly outweighed by the good done here. The middle east, while sitting on billions of dollars worth of oil, are still ranked as third world nations while their leaders build palaces.

It's not just the middle east, nearly every country with significant oil exports (that represent 30% or more of total exports) are poor, have spotted records of democracy and are generally cursed for their natural abundance.

Only real exception is Norway.

sacX · 08-04-2004, 02:22 AM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
There were over 6,000 casualties durinng the Battle of the Buldge. A battle that was fought over 2 weeks.

I am glad you guys were not around then, or else we would all be speaking German.

There were 1 million deaths during the Battle of the Somme in WW1.

Nothing wrong with speaking German ;). Wish I could since I'm living here, but unfortunately it's wrong. The Russians would have destroyed the Nazi's, so we'd be speaking russian.

stereolab · 08-04-2004, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by sacX
It's not just the middle east, nearly every country with significant oil exports (that represent 30% or more of total exports) are poor, have spotted records of democracy and are generally cursed for their natural abundance.

Only real exception is Norway.

we're getting more and more of our oil from west africa. you think the middle east despots were bad, you should get a load of these guys.

stereolab · 08-04-2004, 02:36 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard
But it is vastly outweighed by the good done here. The middle east, while sitting on billions of dollars worth of oil, are still ranked as third world nations while their leaders build palaces. This was a government that openly supported terrorism in many forms while gassing tens of thousands of people.

i know this is almost bordering on cliche by this point, but it's the truth. we made saddam. every one of our oil interests from the mid east to south america to africa are ruled by a violent, brutal dictators who starve their people and live in lavish luxury. read up on the 'king' of equatorial guinea (where we're getting a huge amount of oil from). the people live in poverty, opposing political partiy members are killed and imprisoned and the son of this 'king' is living the high life in paris. these people are set up and funded by big oil and the u.s. gov't. they give these oil companies free reign of the oil fields (equatorial guinea keeps about 5% of the revenue) and we keep them in power.

THAT's why we're in iraq. not because of WMD or freed'm, or nucular weapons or anything else. big oil used the united states as a tool to clear the second largest oil reserves in the world. and NO, you will not participate in the wealth. gas is more expensive than ever, and oil company profits are skyrocketing.

but let's vote the cocksuckers back in office one more term. let's see how much more money and blood they can take from us. i mean, you love freedom right? </rant>

Firehorse · 08-04-2004, 09:01 AM

The sooner the US Government stops sending it's young to die, the better!

scoreman · 08-04-2004, 09:18 AM

#1000 on the casualty list was an Ohio National Guard.

I really feel sorry for all those National Guard and Reserve units. Most of them probably were doing it just for a few extra bucks or college financing and thought the worst case scenario was being called up for natural disasters and a weekend or so a month.

The military would probably have been lucky to get 1% to join if they knew they were going to get a year of active combat duty in Iraq.

Peaches · 08-04-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by scoreman
The military would probably have been lucky to get 1% to join if they knew they were going to get a year of active combat duty in Iraq.

Yet we are 1 year into the war with Iraq and the military is experiencing record recruitment and reenlistment numbers.....

Just because some people don't understand what joining the military is really all about, doesn't mean everyone is that clueless and shallow and only wants to do it for some extra $$$.

directfiesta · 08-04-2004, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Peaches
Yet we are 1 year into the war with Iraq and the military is experiencing record recruitment and reenlistment numbers.....

Just because some people don't understand what joining the military is really all about, doesn't mean everyone is that clueless and shallow and only wants to do it for some extra $$$.

OK, but if that is so, how come the US are asking to extend the tours of the reservists and National guards ...

Peaches · 08-04-2004, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
OK, but if that is so, how come the US are asking to extend the tours of the reservists and National guards ...

This may come as a shock to you, but it actually takes time and MONEY to train soldiers

When the military already has experienced and trained troops that are contractually obligated to be called up, why WOULDN'T they call them up?

In fact, right now the Army has instituted "Operation Blue to Green" where they are recruiting airmen and sailors leaving their service due to force reductions into the Army, which is temporarily increasing its ranks.

Recruiting, basic training, core training, security clearances, etc. aren't cheap and the "anti-war" crowd wants military spending reduced, so it makes perfect sense to call up those already enlisted

theking · 08-04-2004, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
OK, but if that is so, how come the US are asking to extend the tours of the reservists and National guards ...

Because there are force end levels...imposed by Congress. The military cannot accept all that are qualified and want to enlist.

EviLSuperstaR · 08-04-2004, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
as long the gas price goes down and the iraqis are free, this is a small price to pay for cheaper oil and now Saddam cant rape people or kill babies.

(for the record, i have family serving as a soldier in iraq)

Oil price reaches record high and now US soldiers are raping the people (Abu Grahib) and killing Iraqi babies by using WMD in urban areas. Nice one, dude...

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08-03-2004, 07:11 PM	#60
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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,014	Ladies and Gentlemen, the greatest generation has come and gone. There was once a time when being part of our military was commendable thing, and time was served with honor. People willingly signed up to join our armed forces because they believed in the United States, the office of the President, and what it stood for. One thousand members of our armed forces have died. This is a horrible thing. But it is vastly outweighed by the good done here. The middle east, while sitting on billions of dollars worth of oil, are still ranked as third world nations while their leaders build palaces. This was a government that openly supported terrorism in many forms while gassing tens of thousands of people. What the United States has done here is both right and just; I don't give a rat's ass who is getting rich off of it. And before any of you question my family's military background, please note that my Grandfather died in WWII as a US Marine, my father died in Vietnam as a US Marine when I was nine months old, and I also served as a United States Marine. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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Viper2K1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,006	The american government seems to get away with just about everything since 9/11 ask more money, less privacy, alot of dead soldiers, etc magic word that they use to make people approve all this: terrorism ofcourse they don't give a shit about those soldiers, they never did about Osama Bin Laden, funny how after so many years of looking for this fucker the US "can't" track him down. __________________ Spank me Dude, where's my traffic?

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contentjunky Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chatsworth, California Posts: 377	Too many fucking soldiers had to die for this deal. Stupid war. We shouldnt even be there at all. Whatever happend to the phrase SNOOP AND POOP. Sneak Around first, take people out silently, avoid the WAR. Send in spies, under cover people, Rats and people to help out first. Always seems better to me being a Marine from Desert Storm. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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08-04-2004, 09:18 AM	#76
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	#1000 on the casualty list was an Ohio National Guard. I really feel sorry for all those National Guard and Reserve units. Most of them probably were doing it just for a few extra bucks or college financing and thought the worst case scenario was being called up for natural disasters and a weekend or so a month. The military would probably have been lucky to get 1% to join if they knew they were going to get a year of active combat duty in Iraq. __________________