baddog

Contrary to what some of the sheep here may think, I am not pro-Bush, never voted for him or his father, however I am not convinced that Kerry is a viable alternative. So this is your chance, convince me that Kerry is who I should vote for.

Comments of "anyone but Bush" or "if you are in porn you have to vote Kerry" only tell me that you have no argument to support your position.

I am undecided. The DNC did nothing to convince me that Kerry is my man . . . .so let's see your best arguments to convince me that I should not vote for Nader or some other third party candidate (which will only hurt Kerry's chances).

Discuss

KingDough

tough fuckin call man.

i think kerry is kind of a tool. he's a great speaker and if all the things he promised in his speech at the dnc are true, he'll make a good president, but politicians are liars.

not sure if i trust any career politicians. their job is solely to get re-elected.

i may vote independent again..

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budz

Listen..


Kerry & Bush = Skull & bones



vote for someone else, please.

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Mr. Mojo Risin

only two candidates have a realistic chance, so you should vote for who you think is the better one if you want some say in the matter.... voting for an independent or other party is a wasted vote IMO. You know what Bush will do, but you can't know what Kerry will do since he hasn't had a chance at being president yet. If you don't like what Bush is doing, then you should vote Kerry since he will probably be different.

TheMob

if everyone that doesn't want to throw away his vote would throw it away it wouldn't be thrown away

Mr. Mojo Risin

also, do you like having a guy in office that isn't intelligent enough to be president?

Corleone

i'm afraid the world is going down when bush wins...

no shit... he's evil


he increased world wide terror
(yes pls check the Real Report not the faked one)

he stopped searching for bin ladin ( too busy with oil biz)

he sent out 200.000 of your ppl into a war to fight for oil ( yeah sure the cia was wrong and they "really" thought bin ladin or WMds where there) )

he destroyed the good reputation of the U.S.A worldwide

Matt 26z

My vote for Kerry isn't really a vote against only Bush.

I actually don't have many problems with the man. I do have problems with who he's chosen to surround himself with in the White House though.

I'd like to see Kerry tell us now who he'd put in those positions, but it can't get any worse than Bush's group. That's for sure.

kane

here's a few:

Kerry wants to get rid of the all the tax breaks that companies are getting to outsource their jobs to other countries.

Kerry actually served in the military and understands what war really is. Maybe this will make him act a little more responsibly with our troops and he won't send them into harms way for personal reasons.

Kerry isn't in the pocket of big oil. . . but you could argue he is in the pocket of big ketchup

Kerry has said he will put an attorney general in office that will protect the constitution and the american people instead of some guy that is such a religious zealot he thinks dancing is a sin.

Kerry will let the patriot act expire instead of pushing to have it renewed and made a permanent law.

In the event that the pres dies I would rather have Edwards than Cheney.

Kerry might actually fund some of the programs he talks about and passes.

Kerry won't reduce pay for our national guardsmen that are called up to active duty.

Kerry might be able to mend the broken fences that our current leader has caused with most of the world .

Kerry might have a better plan for the cluster fuck known as Iraq. The current plan clearly isn't working.


That's just a few off the top of my head.

benc

The thing that people get blinded to are guys like Kerry and Clinton are lawyers. A good lawyer could make you believe that shit tastes good.

They will flip flop time after time, and use their smooth speach to pull the wool over your eyes.

Thats probably my biggest complaint of the democrat party. Their only agenda seems to be doing what makes them look the best at a particular moment. And Bush puts his nuts on the chopping block over and over again to do what he thinks is right.

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Mr. Mojo Risin

the people Bush is surrounded by are a lot more intelligent and wise than Bush...

I don't like Cheney much, but if he could run against Bush than I'd pick Cheney over Bush by far

Mr. Mojo Risin

I totally agree with all of that

Theo

good thread, let's see

baddog

Agreed with the first part of your comment, however, voting in someone because he will "probably be different" reminds me of all the idiots that thouhgt we should make Arnold gov of California, so can't follow that thought process

Theo

"In the event that the pres dies I would rather have Edwards than Cheney. "

come on, don't tell me that's a serious argument to vote someone

baddog

that is complete nonsense

kane

I would argue that both parties do the same thing only with different ways. The dems try to make you feel good about the situation and pulll the wool over. The repubs do it by saying it's good for you then changing the subject when you call them on it.

case in point:

during the first election bush rans as both " a uniter, not a a divider." and " the eductaiton president"

Since then the uniter has pretty much divided this country down the middle and divided us from most of the world. The education president passed the
" no child left behind" law but so far has only given it about 10% of the money he pormised and many of those schools that have gotten brought in on it are now sueing to get out because it's so flawed it's actually doing more harm than good.

So no bush makes no mention of either of those programs. He called himself a " war president" but now says he wants to be known as a " peace president"

both sides flip flop and decieve it's jut the method of delivery that changes.

Mr. Mojo Risin

I like Edwards better, but Cheney has a lot more experience

fr8

Why just Kerry? What about Badnarik? LP.org

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kane

it's just one point in many. There is 99.9% chance that this one will never be but for me it's a point.

baddog

voting for a third party candidate only helps insure that Bush wins . . . I am trying to give Kerry supporters a chance to convince me I should vote for him.

kane

you make a good point only I kind of disagree with the first part. I normally vote for a third party ( not this year though) because I think we need one badly. We are the only real democratic country with only two parties. Most countries have 3-5 parties. I think is starts small. 5% of the people vote for a thrid party and then in the next election that party gets matching funds and can make more noise the next election. Think about perots reform party if it wouldn't have fallen to pieces they could be a major force today.

But about the unproven you are right. You know what bush is about but you will now know how kerry will do until he 's in office so it's a roll of the dice. I say if you don't like the current people let someone else have a shot.

Mr. Mojo Risin

ok.. well.. look at each ticket's platform and ideals and vote for the one you identify with more.... keep in mind what democrats usually stand for and what republicans usually stand for... e.g. if you don't support outsourcing, don't vote for Bush... if you want to preserve the enviroment, don't vote for Bush... if you think Bush will save you on taxes, vote for him... of course add all of them up collectively and vote for the ticket with the platform you like the most....

swoop

I agree. I don't think the US should suck up or back down to other countires just because they don't like us or feel we are being too much of a bully.

And if something happened to Kerry, I'd be really afraid to have a Trial Lawyer come in as Pres., I think Edwards was a huge mistake for Kerry.

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Mr. Mojo Risin

visit

johnkerry.com

and

georgewbush.com

for their positions...

also, factor in who you think is more intelligent and more presidential

SexxxyChat-T

I don't like Kerry too much, but I seriously don't want another 4 years with Bush as president.

If there was a decent 3rd party candidate to vote for (someone like Jesse Ventura), I would vote for them, but Nader sucks.

So I guess either vote for Kerry or don't vote for anyone, since it's really the worst possible case of choosing the lesser of two evils.

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clickhappy

- He'll raise taxes on the richest 2% of Americans, back to Clinton-era levels.

- Eliminate the tax incentives that encourage companies to offshore jobs.

- Lift the ban on stem cell research.

- Only use war as a last resort.

- He's a likable guy. So theres a possibility of better relations with our European allies.

The Truth Hurts

everyone should stay home on election day...

a no confidence vote will have more impact on this worthless government then having either of these two nitwits running the show.

KingDough

life is PR. i'd rather look good than be hated.

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baddog

I don't think you are helping Kerry's cause with that one . . . he does not come off as very presidential to me

baddog

Sorry, if you think Ventura would be a viable alternative I will be forced to ignore anything else you said

ImLost

kerry's an asshat, and i cant stand looking at his huge ass head

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Theo

ok here's a question now for you guys.

If Bush is really that bad (which i think he is, US deserves a genius president) why he STILL has more chances than Kerry?

freeadultcontent

To start the rest of the world really does not like Bush, but that is not a first many of our presidents have not been liked. So let me think of some other reasons that are not Iraq related.
I do not want him appointing a Supreme court justice.
He has done more shady shit than Clinton did and has escaped even as much as a second glace.
He could not run a state as we can clearly see looking at the aftermath.
He has bloodlust, look at his Governor record (forget DNA proof).
He believes mythology over science.
I do not see him improving our economy any. Look at his record with the oil company and or the baseball team.
Very few presidents should ever serve 2 terms.
He refused to step in when California asked him to in regards to Enron and the State energy crisis.
Unseating Senators and Congressmen is very hard, unlike the Presidency, and we need some balance.
He has way to much money to sway the sheep in his campaign.
He thinks marraige needs to be a constitutional issue.
He is using terror and fear to influence his agenda.

List can go on and on. By no means am I a Democrate either, I vote by the canidate and by the issue despite party lines.

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kane

I think edwards was the only choice for kerry. He had to pick someone popular, that's a good speaker and can help in the south. Who else was he going to take? An unknown like leiberman was or some other unknown senetor? Gephart? Most people I know think he's no better than a used car salesman? Hillary?

The options for him were pretty narrow.

ImLost

why would the rest of the world like bush? they hate america and want to kill us all, and he is only one to do something about it.

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hydro

Bush is out to get anyting that extremely religious people don't agree with (porn,weed,strip clubs etc)

baddog

so why vote for Kerry? Just because he isn't Bush?

freeadultcontent

Nevermind, argument would be pointless.

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kane

It's very simple. Most people in this country are uniformed sheep. I was talking to a bunch of friends the other day and many of this still think Iraq was behing the 9-11 attacks. They also think it's okay to give up some freedoms to have more supposed security. Most people look around and they have a decent job and a home and a car and they don't care about much else so to the belive what they are told.

Also about 30% of this country is so religious that they go to church at least once a week. Most of those people will vote for bush because for some reason they see him as a guy with good values. I'm not sure how protecting the life of a stem cell while killing innocent people in Iraq during a war based on lies is good values but they do.

InsaneMidget

When something isn't working you need to try something new and take a chance, and Bush isn't working.

baddog

That is pretty funny . . . . Lieberman is why Gore lost. Picking a Jew was political suicide.

hydro

Sometimes people just need to bitch slapped hardcore before they wakeup and open thier eyes to see whats going on. Maybe if bush serves a 2nd term this will do it but by then it will be too late

kane

well, actually the list of people that really hated us and wanted us dead was pretty small before bush took office. The new people on the list ( france, germany, italy, spain, egypt, russia ) may not want us dead but they will do us no favors.

kane

I agree to a point. I think leiberman was a big part of gores problem. He picked a jew that was just a boring as he is.

baddog

Luckily your opinion doesn't matter, but thank you for your input.

freeadultcontent

In a round about way yes. I do not want bush in office and voting for any other candidate would only help ensure bush to remain there. If there was another person polling atleast 30% then maybe, but there is not.
I personally think 3rd party votes are better done at a state level. Getting congressment, senators, govenors, ect is much more likely and will eventually lead to a stronger 3rd party. At this current time though, presidential ones are wasted.

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baddog

Kerry had to pick a running mate that could give him any kind of a chance, which is why he picked Edwards (a southerner) . . .picking a Yankee Jew would have been laughable.

clickhappy

The American economy is looking better and better and some people feel we're more secure with Bush in charge.
And Bush is more religious and a lot of people like to see this.

baddog

agreed, but voting for an unknown is a little scary