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Hot Tropical Babes · 05-01-2001, 05:54 PM

On another post about "gallery submissions" I recieved alot of email. So I thought I would bring it to the board for discussion.
I am sooooooo tired of gallery submitters who cheat after they have been listed. So I am thinking of going to password protected submissions. It is in real time. One of the problems i have is, i get waaaaaay too many submissions, so the link doesnt last long. If i go to this method of posting it is a win/win situation. Plus if i catch a cheater, with the push of a button ,, bam boom my problem is gone. What do you all think about this?

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TFCash · 05-01-2001, 05:59 PM

Hot -

Doesn't your tgp software give you the ability to reject submissions based on email, posters refering ip, or site url ?? If not your should look into what it would take to make it do so.

Tim

Wizzo · 05-01-2001, 06:07 PM

It's a good idea, just make sure your buddy Wizzo gets a code

Hot Tropical Babes · 05-01-2001, 06:08 PM

it only will ban email and url's. However, the cheaters i have been plagued with lately change their email addy's and url's every submission. so if i go to the basic url,,, which is a free host sometimes..then that will ban the free host,,and i dont want to do that. But i will tell ya,,,and i have been in the biz a couple of years, this is the best tgp script I have ever used. The only thing I am trying to do now (with the script) is Catagories.

on another note, I love descriptions, I wish more of the non english speaking submitters would learn to do better descriptions, you wouldnt believe some of them i get!! down right LAME

RedShoe · 05-01-2001, 06:14 PM

HTB,
What TGP software do you currently use?

Bake · 05-01-2001, 06:18 PM

I only take email submision I have used scripts and I now find it easyer to do it buy Email I only post 50 per day thou, If you have a cheater you can just block the mail and I give a pass to some people just a word to put in the subject line witch make it easyer to spot them and I put them in first ,I now have my updates down to 1.5 hours a day but I look hard at sites I dont know.

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Hot Tropical Babes · 05-01-2001, 06:19 PM

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Powered By <a href="http://www.cgi-works.net">AutoGallery Pro</a>

Hot Tropical Babes · 05-01-2001, 06:24 PM

Bake that a good way to do submissions. But I love the auto gallery pro,,,no coping and pasting

Kat - Fast · 05-01-2001, 06:31 PM

see, me being a dumb fuck sometimes, i forget to put stuff on the page - like the damn sponsor ads - like a tracker code - the title of the page - basically i can only guarantee that i've got the damn pictures on - and i've mixed that up too a few times.
It really worries me how many times i've been blacklisted for going back and fixing a gallery, cos no-one damn tells you when they've done it.

Bake · 05-01-2001, 06:37 PM

Hot Tropical Babes
Please Hit me on ICQ and Ill show you how to spot one of the big cheaters I have found,
I cant add new people on my ICQ,
77762980

Hot Tropical Babes · 05-01-2001, 06:39 PM

I have never banned anyone for going back and fixing something. I ban them for going back and adding redirects,popups,blind thumbs. I think my rules are pretty fair,, i have seen some tgp's going to 1 banner and two text links... i dont agree with that,,,,how the hell can you make a living doing that....but hey,, to each their own

and this is my opinion from experience, you can make good money posting to the "smaller tgp's" and believe it or not,,,,this one is my biggest seller.... http://www.hottropicalsex.com/WetBlonde1/WetBlonde.html (gallery that is) go figure

[This message has been edited by Hot Tropical Babes (edited 05-01-2001).]

Kat - Fast · 05-01-2001, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hot Tropical Babes:
this one is my biggest seller.... http://www.hottropicalsex.com/WetBlonde1/WetBlonde.html (gallery that is) go figure

umm...cos she's a hottie! LOL!

Gemini · 05-01-2001, 07:17 PM

RT works for us

TFCash · 05-01-2001, 10:01 PM

Hot -

First I would talk to the guys over at cgi works and see if they can't add IP blocking.

Does the submit software give you the ip number of the submitter when they sign up ??

If so you can use .htaccess to block that ip from even being able to see your site. The thing to do is set your submit area behind a password protected area. Then post that username / password to let anyone in and submit. You can then go through and use this in your .htaccess to block IP's from getting in. Notice the first one is a single ip #, the second one is a full class C which should catch anyone that is coming in on a dialup connection

AuthType Basic
AuthName Members
AuthUserFile "/path/.htpasswd."
AuthGroupFile /dev/null
<Limit GET POST>
require valid-user
deny from 200.31.48.11
deny from 215.2.4.
</Limit>

Tim

tom · 05-01-2001, 10:12 PM

wonder who has the time to change hundrets of galleries after submission ?
but i think a password would do fine (some of the tgps out there want some sample galleries first and set up a password then)
tom

Hot Tropical Babes · 05-01-2001, 10:17 PM

Tom, trust me,, some make the time to change them... unfortunately.... yeah i like the password idea more and more

hottshot · 05-01-2001, 11:07 PM

This guy has his Submit page passworded http://www.jackthumbs.com/webmasters/

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McSpike · 05-02-2001, 12:08 PM

Ya people I believe that something needs to be done about cheaters but you can't block their IPs because of the simple reason. Dialupers all have dynamic IPs!!! And as we all know there are almost half of them on the net. Only cable and dsl and other people hava static IPs. By blocking a surfer with a certain IP you can be sure the next time a surfer/customer will be using that same IP... That's how it is. Sad but nothing you can do about IPs... Well if you get cheated by the same IP everytime then it's one using a cable and your safe to block him without making any harm... but still when this person gets blocked by all his important TGPs he can just drop the account at that ISP and apply for a new one and get a fresh IP.... Sad but true...

So be careful when blocking IPs - you can easily block a surfer (if putting it in a .htaccess) or block a fair submitter which happened to get the same IP that cheater had the last time...

My 2 cents

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TFCash · 05-02-2001, 12:52 PM

McSpike -

No browser/surfer would be blocked, because they have no need to go into the submit area, and the possibility of blocking a good webmaster when taking out a bad one is sooo small that it is worth the hassle of getting rid of the bad one. Maybe a cookie based option would work, where the next time they come to the site and you have set them for no submit it just takes their info, but never shows it to you as an option. That way they have no idea that they are blocked, they just get pissed cause they never get listed anymore

Tim

unijester · 05-02-2001, 01:08 PM

A good idea would be to have TGP software spider the pages submitted and ban cheaters also based on their affiliate codes.

Hot Tropical Babes · 05-02-2001, 04:21 PM

WIzzooooo you really want a code?

kush · 05-05-2001, 10:42 PM

I'd like a code as well

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Gemini · 05-05-2001, 11:18 PM

Kind of a problem dealing with IP blocking no matter how they access. Cable goes down in alot of differnet parts of the country and they end up with a new IP 95% of the time. And alot of dialups customers have opted for static IPs as well. So spidering the aff codes or cookies etc would be ther better option

Theo · 05-06-2001, 12:04 PM

hello my friend Mcspike, I'm glad we have you on the board as a poster also :-))))

titmowse · 05-06-2001, 12:13 PM

I'm with Bake on this one. My submit form is a javascript code that sends through the submitter's real email. I don't get a gazillion submissions and I know EXACTLY where the URL comes from.

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Crutch · 05-06-2001, 01:12 PM

There's only one solution and probably the best one.

The solution is simply. You run a script that surfs through all the links on your tgp every 10 minutes. If gallery gets changed in the slightest bit, the gallery link gets deleted right then. And on top of that, the info that came with that submission, the email address, ip, url, gets banned and added to your blacklist.

Simple and effective. Now, they can bypass that if they ask you first to change something. But other then that, you do anything to that page, and the page is gone on the spot.

I'm writing that script right now actually. Someone told me it's cruel. Fuck em...they should have read the rules. I can't wait to be done and add it to my sites.
Won't have to worry about it anymore.

[This message has been edited by Crutch (edited 05-06-2001).]

fredicus · 05-06-2001, 02:37 PM

Gee Mr Crutch, us poor imperfect submitters might screw up a gallery occasionally, ( See Kats first post in this thread, I'm far from perfect myself

).
Your suggesting that we should, upon correction of the prob, then go though our submit list, emailing each to tell them that a fault has been corrected ?

I for one would have a time/endurance problem with that.

I don't believe I submit to you, one less honest submitter for you to worry about.

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Are you trying to tell me that coconuts migrate ?

Hot Tropical Babes · 05-06-2001, 02:44 PM

Crutch, Let me know when you get that script. I would like one that told me if they added popups. I know people screw up from time to time ,, I do it. But I get alot of people adding popups.. which i dont want. And i know i'll get the argument of " Hey We gotta make money" but that is bull shit, If we all cant do it, then none of us will do it. Tgp owners are kind to allow our galleries, why shit where you eat so to speak.

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Hot Tropical Babes

Crutch · 05-07-2001, 07:14 AM

Fredicus,

What i'm doing with my site on deleting links that change there galleries, is nothing new to most submitters. I'm not sure, but i think at thehun if you change a gallery, you have to let him know first..cause if not you get deleted automatically. I'm not doing anything new.

Sure we all make mistakes...i have as well. I got my galleries deleted a few times in the past cause of this..when all i changed was a sponser. So i understand the frustration being an honest webmaster.

But i also understand the bigger frustration on dealing with a cheating submitter. All tgps list the same rule...."don't change your gallery after you submitted." It's the number one biggest rule and it's that simple.

Plus, the way i'm running my script, it's actually pretty friendly. So say you get deleted cause you made a minor change but you told me AFTER the fact. I can re-link you with just a click of a button since all the info is stored in mysql. It's not like you have to go submit again and then wait your turn to get listed. Hehe, if you had to go submit again and then wait another few days to get listed, now THAT would be cruel.

I'm also trying to solve the problem that I faced a while back. My gallery got listed on a big tgp and i was checking out my link on their page to see what spot i got. Well, i looked at the link above mine to see who the competition was, and it turned out that the link was a cheater...sending hits to major pop up hell, etc. And on top of that, the tgp didn't delete that link for like 2 days!!!

So you tell me, how much money did i lose? How many of those surfers got caught up in that pop up hell, and never even reached my gallery link? I know most submitters don't follow there links that closely....i just happen to catch it.

So it benefits the submitters as well. You never have to worry about a cheating link taking away traffic from your gallary...as it did to mine.

Personally, i prefer it this way than having to deal with submitters filling out some form to get a password. Takes to much time...and you have to wait. Plus, i never have to worry about my galleries.

To be honest, I really don't understand the reason behind a password submission form. Maybe someone can explain? Cause if someone gets password...it can't stop someone from cheating...or can it? Cause they can still make changes to there galleries. How does this work and how is helping with cheaters?

[This message has been edited by Crutch (edited 05-07-2001).]

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05-01-2001, 05:54 PM	#1
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	submitting delima On another post about "gallery submissions" I recieved alot of email. So I thought I would bring it to the board for discussion. I am sooooooo tired of gallery submitters who cheat after they have been listed. So I am thinking of going to password protected submissions. It is in real time. One of the problems i have is, i get waaaaaay too many submissions, so the link doesnt last long. If i go to this method of posting it is a win/win situation. Plus if i catch a cheater, with the push of a button ,, bam boom my problem is gone. What do you all think about this? ------------------ Hot Tropical Babes

05-01-2001, 05:59 PM	#2
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Hot - Doesn't your tgp software give you the ability to reject submissions based on email, posters refering ip, or site url ?? If not your should look into what it would take to make it do so. Tim

05-01-2001, 06:07 PM	#3
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	It's a good idea, just make sure your buddy Wizzo gets a code

05-01-2001, 06:08 PM	#4
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	it only will ban email and url's. However, the cheaters i have been plagued with lately change their email addy's and url's every submission. so if i go to the basic url,,, which is a free host sometimes..then that will ban the free host,,and i dont want to do that. But i will tell ya,,,and i have been in the biz a couple of years, this is the best tgp script I have ever used. The only thing I am trying to do now (with the script) is Catagories. on another note, I love descriptions, I wish more of the non english speaking submitters would learn to do better descriptions, you wouldnt believe some of them i get!! down right LAME

05-01-2001, 06:14 PM	#5
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	HTB, What TGP software do you currently use?

05-01-2001, 06:18 PM	#6
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,269	I only take email submision I have used scripts and I now find it easyer to do it buy Email I only post 50 per day thou, If you have a cheater you can just block the mail and I give a pass to some people just a word to put in the subject line witch make it easyer to spot them and I put them in first ,I now have my updates down to 1.5 hours a day but I look hard at sites I dont know. ------------------ Post your movie galleries or quaility pages here The harder I work the luckyer I get. I don't bring people down to my level I just reach up and grab them on my way my past

05-01-2001, 06:19 PM	#7
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05-01-2001, 06:24 PM	#8
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	Bake that a good way to do submissions. But I love the auto gallery pro,,,no coping and pasting

05-01-2001, 06:31 PM	#9
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	see, me being a dumb fuck sometimes, i forget to put stuff on the page - like the damn sponsor ads - like a tracker code - the title of the page - basically i can only guarantee that i've got the damn pictures on - and i've mixed that up too a few times. It really worries me how many times i've been blacklisted for going back and fixing a gallery, cos no-one damn tells you when they've done it.

05-01-2001, 06:37 PM	#10
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,269	Hot Tropical Babes Please Hit me on ICQ and Ill show you how to spot one of the big cheaters I have found, I cant add new people on my ICQ, 77762980

05-01-2001, 06:39 PM	#11
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	I have never banned anyone for going back and fixing something. I ban them for going back and adding redirects,popups,blind thumbs. I think my rules are pretty fair,, i have seen some tgp's going to 1 banner and two text links... i dont agree with that,,,,how the hell can you make a living doing that....but hey,, to each their own and this is my opinion from experience, you can make good money posting to the "smaller tgp's" and believe it or not,,,,this one is my biggest seller.... http://www.hottropicalsex.com/WetBlonde1/WetBlonde.html (gallery that is) go figure [This message has been edited by Hot Tropical Babes (edited 05-01-2001).]

05-01-2001, 07:17 PM	#13
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	RT works for us

05-01-2001, 10:01 PM	#14
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Hot - First I would talk to the guys over at cgi works and see if they can't add IP blocking. Does the submit software give you the ip number of the submitter when they sign up ?? If so you can use .htaccess to block that ip from even being able to see your site. The thing to do is set your submit area behind a password protected area. Then post that username / password to let anyone in and submit. You can then go through and use this in your .htaccess to block IP's from getting in. Notice the first one is a single ip #, the second one is a full class C which should catch anyone that is coming in on a dialup connection AuthType Basic AuthName Members AuthUserFile "/path/.htpasswd." AuthGroupFile /dev/null <Limit GET POST> require valid-user deny from 200.31.48.11 deny from 215.2.4. </Limit> Tim

05-01-2001, 10:12 PM	#15
tom Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: from the mountains Posts: 102	wonder who has the time to change hundrets of galleries after submission ? but i think a password would do fine (some of the tgps out there want some sample galleries first and set up a password then) tom

05-01-2001, 10:17 PM	#16
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	Tom, trust me,, some make the time to change them... unfortunately.... yeah i like the password idea more and more

05-01-2001, 11:07 PM	#17
hottshot Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 900	This guy has his Submit page passworded http://www.jackthumbs.com/webmasters/ ------------------ Big-Penis webmaster program vegas webmaster convention

05-02-2001, 12:08 PM	#18
McSpike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 1,042	Ya people I believe that something needs to be done about cheaters but you can't block their IPs because of the simple reason. Dialupers all have dynamic IPs!!! And as we all know there are almost half of them on the net. Only cable and dsl and other people hava static IPs. By blocking a surfer with a certain IP you can be sure the next time a surfer/customer will be using that same IP... That's how it is. Sad but nothing you can do about IPs... Well if you get cheated by the same IP everytime then it's one using a cable and your safe to block him without making any harm... but still when this person gets blocked by all his important TGPs he can just drop the account at that ISP and apply for a new one and get a fresh IP.... Sad but true... So be careful when blocking IPs - you can easily block a surfer (if putting it in a .htaccess) or block a fair submitter which happened to get the same IP that cheater had the last time... My 2 cents ------------------ -- McSpike --

05-02-2001, 12:52 PM	#19
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	McSpike - No browser/surfer would be blocked, because they have no need to go into the submit area, and the possibility of blocking a good webmaster when taking out a bad one is sooo small that it is worth the hassle of getting rid of the bad one. Maybe a cookie based option would work, where the next time they come to the site and you have set them for no submit it just takes their info, but never shows it to you as an option. That way they have no idea that they are blocked, they just get pissed cause they never get listed anymore Tim

05-02-2001, 01:08 PM	#20
unijester Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Orlando, FL USA Posts: 51	A good idea would be to have TGP software spider the pages submitted and ban cheaters also based on their affiliate codes.

05-02-2001, 04:21 PM	#21
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	WIzzooooo you really want a code?

05-05-2001, 10:42 PM	#22
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	I'd like a code as well ------------------ Adult Revenue Service- with Maxcash I converted 1:3600 but with ARS I convert 1:375 or better with SAME TGP TRAFFIC (email for screen shots)! Join with this link and feel free to email me for help/info(plus I won a free 5CD player/changer at May 3rd ARS party!)

05-05-2001, 11:18 PM	#23
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Kind of a problem dealing with IP blocking no matter how they access. Cable goes down in alot of differnet parts of the country and they end up with a new IP 95% of the time. And alot of dialups customers have opted for static IPs as well. So spidering the aff codes or cookies etc would be ther better option

05-06-2001, 12:04 PM	#24
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	hello my friend Mcspike, I'm glad we have you on the board as a poster also :-))))

05-06-2001, 12:13 PM	#25
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	I'm with Bake on this one. My submit form is a javascript code that sends through the submitter's real email. I don't get a gazillion submissions and I know EXACTLY where the URL comes from. ------------------ tit, Mowsebytes Porn Newsletter: Webmasters submit your sites here.

05-06-2001, 01:12 PM	#26
Crutch Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 224	There's only one solution and probably the best one. The solution is simply. You run a script that surfs through all the links on your tgp every 10 minutes. If gallery gets changed in the slightest bit, the gallery link gets deleted right then. And on top of that, the info that came with that submission, the email address, ip, url, gets banned and added to your blacklist. Simple and effective. Now, they can bypass that if they ask you first to change something. But other then that, you do anything to that page, and the page is gone on the spot. I'm writing that script right now actually. Someone told me it's cruel. Fuck em...they should have read the rules. I can't wait to be done and add it to my sites. Won't have to worry about it anymore. [This message has been edited by Crutch (edited 05-06-2001).]

05-06-2001, 02:37 PM	#27
fredicus Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 286	Gee Mr Crutch, us poor imperfect submitters might screw up a gallery occasionally, ( See Kats first post in this thread, I'm far from perfect myself ). Your suggesting that we should, upon correction of the prob, then go though our submit list, emailing each to tell them that a fault has been corrected ? I for one would have a time/endurance problem with that. I don't believe I submit to you, one less honest submitter for you to worry about. ------------------ unlikely to be Y3K Compliant ------------------------- Are you trying to tell me that coconuts migrate ?

05-06-2001, 02:44 PM	#28
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	Crutch, Let me know when you get that script. I would like one that told me if they added popups. I know people screw up from time to time ,, I do it. But I get alot of people adding popups.. which i dont want. And i know i'll get the argument of " Hey We gotta make money" but that is bull shit, If we all cant do it, then none of us will do it. Tgp owners are kind to allow our galleries, why shit where you eat so to speak. ------------------ Hot Tropical Babes

05-07-2001, 07:14 AM	#29
Crutch Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 224	Fredicus, What i'm doing with my site on deleting links that change there galleries, is nothing new to most submitters. I'm not sure, but i think at thehun if you change a gallery, you have to let him know first..cause if not you get deleted automatically. I'm not doing anything new. Sure we all make mistakes...i have as well. I got my galleries deleted a few times in the past cause of this..when all i changed was a sponser. So i understand the frustration being an honest webmaster. But i also understand the bigger frustration on dealing with a cheating submitter. All tgps list the same rule...."don't change your gallery after you submitted." It's the number one biggest rule and it's that simple. Plus, the way i'm running my script, it's actually pretty friendly. So say you get deleted cause you made a minor change but you told me AFTER the fact. I can re-link you with just a click of a button since all the info is stored in mysql. It's not like you have to go submit again and then wait your turn to get listed. Hehe, if you had to go submit again and then wait another few days to get listed, now THAT would be cruel. I'm also trying to solve the problem that I faced a while back. My gallery got listed on a big tgp and i was checking out my link on their page to see what spot i got. Well, i looked at the link above mine to see who the competition was, and it turned out that the link was a cheater...sending hits to major pop up hell, etc. And on top of that, the tgp didn't delete that link for like 2 days!!! So you tell me, how much money did i lose? How many of those surfers got caught up in that pop up hell, and never even reached my gallery link? I know most submitters don't follow there links that closely....i just happen to catch it. So it benefits the submitters as well. You never have to worry about a cheating link taking away traffic from your gallary...as it did to mine. Personally, i prefer it this way than having to deal with submitters filling out some form to get a password. Takes to much time...and you have to wait. Plus, i never have to worry about my galleries. To be honest, I really don't understand the reason behind a password submission form. Maybe someone can explain? Cause if someone gets password...it can't stop someone from cheating...or can it? Cause they can still make changes to there galleries. How does this work and how is helping with cheaters? [This message has been edited by Crutch (edited 05-07-2001).]

12-13-2003, 05:47 AM	#30
Animal So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 126	I have been EATEN! http://www.stormfront.org/forum/