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Old 07-29-2004, 12:28 PM   #1
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:stop AdWords If you use it click here.

Just curious about some things i have noticed lately.


Google must be making a mint on this program.
The system seems very corrupt.

I tried this program , but it seemed like alot of work for the average joe, the more bank you put in , the more work you create.

Maybe some members can give us your experiences.

I think someone ( ) should create a non-sanctioned adult adwords for selling clicks on the left side for half the price google sells them for.

In both the mainstream and adult industry i have noticed bots attempting to alter the hitcounts for certain advertisers, i can only assume this is to inflate the results of competing advertisers ?

Is anyone making serious bank either buying or selling impressions ?
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:33 PM   #2
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i have tried adwords on 3 seperate occasions....all three found it very difficult to use and barely got any signups through it...one time I did get signups, but not many
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:40 PM   #3
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yes, Adwords is very complicated..

I tried it once...I didn't lose money, but I didn't make a serious profit as well
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:44 PM   #4
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my ROI is about 1200% for mainstream sites/products

adult only about 200% ROI!

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Old 07-29-2004, 12:45 PM   #5
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It is very tough because everyone is using adwords these days and i have seen numerous articles about indian/asian workers who are paid to do nothing more than surf the net and click the ads through various proxies. Fraud is always a rampant problem and it would be great to see a solution to stopping it come out.

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Old 07-29-2004, 12:49 PM   #6
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Mainstream with niche keywords and adwords is golden.

Also, there are a few tricks to getting more than you pay for with adwords, but like I would share that with you fags.
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:51 PM   #7
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I spend around $200/day with adwords. It takes a while to really figure it out.
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:54 PM   #8
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It is very tough because everyone is using adwords these days and i have seen numerous articles about indian/asian workers who are paid to do nothing more than surf the net and click the ads through various proxies. Fraud is always a rampant problem and it would be great to see a solution to stopping it come out.

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There's an option for US traffic only. There's some fraud but not enough to cause a problem, at least for me. I do very well with adwords and all the other PPC SE's, I spend upwards of $500/day combined on them.
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:55 PM   #9
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id reather just play craps. about the same odds and roi, but with craps you get free drinks.
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:57 PM   #10
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id reather just play craps. about the same odds and roi, but with craps you get free drinks.
haha, exactly.
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:58 PM   #11
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I do great with adwords for my mainstream site spending very little money. I am sure I have and advantage on ROI as I can set prices when I get new clients. I wouldnt attempt it with adult, although I am sure many people are doing great with adult.
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:04 PM   #12
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There's an option for US traffic only.
so they use US proxies
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:05 PM   #13
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i have seen numerous articles about indian/asian workers who are paid to do nothing more than surf the net and click the ads through various proxies.
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:06 PM   #14
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There's an option for US traffic only. There's some fraud but not enough to cause a problem, at least for me. I do very well with adwords and all the other PPC SE's, I spend upwards of $500/day combined on them.
There's fraud to some degree on every PPC. If you look at your stats in the PPC compared to your webserver logs, you'll see you're getting more traffic than they are claiming. Whether it be fraud or inaccurate tracking, its done to keep customers happy. But for the most part you are right, fraud is there but not too big a problem right now.

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Old 07-29-2004, 01:08 PM   #15
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That is so below the belt
Tell that to the people who WROTE the articles:
http://searchenginewatch.com/searchd...le.php/3387581
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:08 PM   #16
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I find Google to be the easiest to use and most rewarding PPC engine.


And yes someone should make an adult PPC engine that has traffic volume and worthwhile listings to buy.
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:11 PM   #17
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very complicated ......
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:12 PM   #18
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there is fraud, but google's system is far from perfect too. Many times I've seen two clicks from the same ip within seconds and been charged for both of them (i.e. adwords says 1 impression 2 clicks).
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:12 PM   #19
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It is very tough because everyone is using adwords these days and i have seen numerous articles about indian/asian workers who are paid to do nothing more than surf the net and click the ads through various proxies. Fraud is always a rampant problem and it would be great to see a solution to stopping it come out.

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Hmm, Interesting. I find it odd that I could never make any real money with Google. My last add was horrible. Cost me $680 to make 4 sign ups. Had the price in the desc. and very tragetd keywords....no "free porn" or shit like that. Whats even more odd is that in doing under 1:200 with the same site with 100% TGP traffic. Go figure.

I pay to get a good PPC SE tutorial!!
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:18 PM   #20
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There's fraud to some degree on every PPC. If you look at your stats in the PPC compared to your webserver logs, you'll see you're getting more traffic than they are claiming. Whether it be fraud or inaccurate tracking, its done to keep customers happy. But for the most part you are right, fraud is there but not too big a problem right now.

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I agree. There's fraud for sure, even webmasters clicking on ads on google is wasting my money... but compared to the good traffic I get from them it's nothing.
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Hmm, Interesting. I find it odd that I could never make any real money with Google. My last add was horrible. Cost me $680 to make 4 sign ups. Had the price in the desc. and very tragetd keywords....no "free porn" or shit like that. Whats even more odd is that in doing under 1:200 with the same site with 100% TGP traffic. Go figure.

I pay to get a good PPC SE tutorial!!

Are you sure you're targetting the most relevant keywords? Also, large niches like mature and teens tend to have lower conversions than niche specific categories like hairy or shaved pussies.

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Old 07-29-2004, 01:23 PM   #22
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I agree. There's fraud for sure, even webmasters clicking on ads on google is wasting my money... but compared to the good traffic I get from them it's nothing.
Are you making money with it?
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Hmm, Interesting. I find it odd that I could never make any real money with Google. My last add was horrible. Cost me $680 to make 4 sign ups. Had the price in the desc. and very tragetd keywords....no "free porn" or shit like that. Whats even more odd is that in doing under 1:200 with the same site with 100% TGP traffic. Go figure.

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I probably wasted thousands before i started to turn a profit . Patience and persistence is really golden.
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I find Google to be the easiest to use and most rewarding PPC engine.


And yes someone should make an adult PPC engine that has traffic volume and worthwhile listings to buy.
Exactly, there are alot of adult PPC searchengines, but none really has a worthwhile ammount of traffic, speding 100$ and having to wait for one month till all clicks are delivered, even when using mainstream keywords like "sex", is annoying.
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Are you making money with it?
Yup.
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Exactly, there are alot of adult PPC searchengines, but none really has a worthwhile ammount of traffic, speding 100$ and having to wait for one month till all clicks are delivered, even when using mainstream keywords like "sex", is annoying.
Speaking of which.....can anyone recommend adult ppc se's that are worth selling traffic to?
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