As always, your class shines through. :) (and for the record, I agree :) )


As a friend to all three ISPS mentioned in this thread, I can tell you that this is a good move for both parties involved and a good move for the ISPS industry as well as for the Adult Industry, as a whole.

I am excited about all of the new things that Jettis is adding to their offerings in the coming months since my mainstream companies use their Gateway Services! I know Ken and Kjell well enough to know that this move is simply making way for bigger and better things!!

I am also pumped to see Epoch continuing to grow their dominance in the marketplace. As a customer and supporter of theirs since 1997 I have seen them weather the storms and always come out on top....Kudos to Chris, Clay, Rand, and the whole Epoch Crew. You guys are deserving of great things.


--T

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No, Paycom is not taking over our affiliate software program (Jumbo). However, Jumbo is fully integrated with Paycom so all Jumbo clients will not be effected at all.

In fact, this brings up a good point. All Paycom customers can now use our top notche affiliate software. Contact us for rates and a demo!

Yes I saw that. But as a reseller I don't think that really applies to me.

I am referring to affiliate programs. Mainly those that do not do their own coding so reseller links will need to be changed.

And then there are the galleries out there with old codes. Those are always fun.

I suppose I will have to figure out what needs to be changed and hopefully will not lose any sales in the meantime.

Will there be any Visa fee refunds to those that have recently signed up with Jettis, but have not processed yet, who are also Epoch clients?

Imagine if ccbill gets bought out. Now thats a lot of fucking link codes that will need to be changed.

Really makes you think about what to push, and how, these days.

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Sweet T,

Thanks man! Coming from you, that means a lot. We're excited to be working with the Paycom guys and about taking some of our key products to the next level!

Please call our Tech support group at 888-627-3888. They are there 24/7 and will answer your questions so that you do not have to wonder or lose any sales. If they do not have your answers, ask to be transferred to Clay; he will help you. We may not have all of the answers at the exact moment you call, but we will get them. Our reputation for excellent Client Services is important and it will be maintained.

Thanks to all of you that have expressed your support. Clay, Joel and I are very proud of this transaction and of our staff that have all worked to build our company into what we are today. This is a work in progress and we are very fortunate to have a great group of people. The fine people of Jettis have been a pleasure to do business with and we will be doing a lot of other business together, for a long time.

To any of you that have concerns, please email me at [email protected]

You may not get a reply for a while, we are kind of busy as you can imagine. Again, I won?t have all of the answers but I, along with my partners and our staff, will work hard for you in getting the answers. We have always been 110% committed to the Adult Webmaster market, uninterrupted since 1996. We are more committed today.

Thanks again for your support.


C

damn son, you act like changing link codes is the end of the world.

it's not that big a deal.

A class act and a true leader in our industry: We are all proud to be friends and associates of Tony Morgan and all the good folks at Nat Net!

Please look for Sweet T at Internext on the State of The Industy Panel. I am sure he will have some interesting insights. :)

Well it also depends on how much notice you get, among other things.

The last year has been hell in terms of changing link codes. Although its a good way to clean house of some sponsors for sure.

My main concern is staying on top of things in case some companies don't give proper notice. ;)

:thumbsup

I hope you are right about that. Billing, chargebacks, visa regulations are a major concern to all of us.l

Chris, please clarify a couple of things for me...

1. Will Jettis clients still be able to use the jumbo software (Jettis's affiliate software)?

2. I have signed on to Jettis, done almost all of the paperworks, and locked in a good proccesing rate, but have not begun proccesing with Jetiis yet...will that rate still stand, and will I have to start the whole process over with epoch now as far as the paperwork and such?

Thanks

wow
this is huge news.

congrats chris

Shap, I find it intersting that you think this is bad while so many others think it's good.

Isn't 1 bigger, better proccessor a more favorable option than 2 smaller, less qualified processors?

What's so bad about Epoch?

Congrats :thumbsup

Congrats. I hope this helps everyone out. :)

Cheers,
Matt

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With respect to EU processing, Jettis has not supported EU clients on Visa for a long time. However, those clients that are "Visa disabled" (accepting only MasterCard and Discover) will continue uninterrupted.

Kjell

Epoch paid the VISA registration fees on behalf of all Jettis customers who were not already registered with Epoch.

In your particular case we will have to look at your account

Clay
EPOCH

Fewer processors means fewer choices for webmasters, site owners and less competition. Competition is one of the best factors for improving the quality of service.

VISA and Mastercard have to be happy. The group of companies they are keeping tabs on just got smaller.

This looks to me like Jettis found the IPSP market to be not as worthwhile to pursue as gateway services to merchant account holders. You have to ask yourself why is that? I don't think they would have sold to Paycom if they believed there was nothing but blue skies and improving margins on the horizon.

Large size doesnt not necessarily mean stability. Our own industry has a good example of this with DMR.

I am with Shap and Mutt on this, I think the closure of one of the remaining IPSPs has the potential to be a bad thing. I hope I am wrong.

Ok back to the festivities again. Sorry to be Mr Devil's advocate.

ever try hearding cats?

:winkwink:

Good news!
DUke

Wow

Congratulations to Both Epoch and Jettis

Chris and Ken are both very bright business men and straight up Good people

Great News

And then there were two? Epoch and CCbill


~Roger

No, I like your reponse, but I think it's difficult to say that more choices is better than fewer choices, especially if we can't gauge on how good those choices are.

One way of thinking - would you rather have 2 sub optimal choices or 1 optimal choice?

Whether or not the new formation will be more optimal than the other 2 seperate is yet to be determined...

Hi Kush.

Scoreman hit the nail on the head. For the past year I've had the feeling Jettis was close to leaving the ipsp market. I think most people knew it was just a matter of time.

I really don't think epoch is gaining as much as people think. As I said earlier, if someone is not processing with Epoch then there is probably a reason for it. The same way if someone is not processing with ibill there is a reason for it. By epoch buying jettis that doesn't mean those clients will all of a sudden be willing to use Epoch as their primary processor. And if someone was using Epoch and Jettis now they will go out and use Ccbill or ibill. So I don't think epoch is coming out as big as everyone is making this out to be.

In this situation the only winner is jettis. They get to exit the IPSP market with their head up and not having to say they closed down like so many others. Epoch picks up some business so they come out ahead. And all us jettis webmasters are big losers because the company we chose to process with is no longer an option.



And to answer your other question, what do I have against Epoch? I don't have anything against them. I just prefer to not use them as my processor. I believe, of the 3 remaining processors, Epoch is by far the riskiest. They allow multiple cross sells. They seem to be the gathering spot for all Pay per signup companies. And pay per signup companies are proven to be a problem for chargebacks.

What you guys fail to realize it wasn't DMR's business practice or size that got them shut down. it was its webmasters. 5-6 years ago webmasters were allowed to collect the credit card numbers and post that info to the processor. Well the problem with that was that some, not all, would use that number to create other charges that the consumer was never made aware of until he got his statement. Now at that point I guess DMR's size did matter, they had so many clients doing this that they got noticed by Visa and shutdown from finding another merchant.
As you know, the situation is a bit different now. Only the merchant of record (IPSP) can gather the credit card data. Visa now tracks down to the sponsored merchant, thus removing the bad seeds rather than the group taking the blame for individuals. There is a laundry list of things in the credit card game that are much different than when DMR went down. I would never say that a processor is bulletproof, but dodging bullets is a lot easier these days.

This is so huge.

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!

Chris, Clay, Joel, Rand and everyone at Paycom you have done it again. From everyone at CCbill we congratulate you on this great move. Ken and Kjell have always been two of the smartest individuals in this business, and I am truly excited to only imagine what great new products Jettis will release with there new war chest of money:))) Chris you are a true industry leader and I am confident that Paycom will be able to provide the same high level of service that Jettis customers have experienced under Kjell and Ken for the last several years.

CCbill also recommends Paycom as the only secondary option for IPSP billing. There maybe others, but why settle for anything less.

Chris we will have to toast in Hollywood and the Cristal is on me:)) I might even have to get one of those Tantra size bottles that Joel is so found of.


Ron Cadwell

CEO
CCBill.com
Cavecreek.com
DrmNetworks.com

I guess ill go with Paycom! :P

Thanks for your input in this thread Shap. Its nice to read some honest points to ponder. :)

I wonder what will happen in the next few years. We will see.

Any SMASHBUCKS affiliates that have questions please contact Carlito, Mike or Spikes.

Everything is 100% smooth so far:thumbsup

Congrats to Epoch & Jettis!

:thumbsup

Chris, Clay and Rand,

Congrats on the new acquisition from the Netbilling team. The Jettis crew is a fine bunch and you are certainly picking up some good merchants. Looking forward to a successful Internext and a great year for all of us.

Mitch Farber

So what happened to those cam sites that use Jettis and have the no charge free memberships?

I must respectively disagree with this statement. The guys at Epoch are smart enough to know that they are in the Fraud control business more than anything. What we pay them for is the tools we need to maximize the revenue on each sale without going over 1%. You are allowed multiple cross sales because they know how to control it. It is that very thing that makes them top dog.

Congrats to all parties involved, sounds like win win... :thumbsup

Thank you Ron. I appreciate your kind words and support. We like and respect you and all of the folks at CCBill / Cavecreek.

And since the Cristal is on you, let?s go for the Magnum! :)
See you in sunny FLA!

C

We appreciate your support Mitch and echo your sentiments towards Ken, Kjell and everyone at Jettis.

All the best!

C