Thanks for being polite ..... :)

If you follow Augustines argumentation, God would be an eternal being instead of a temporally linear one, eternal here meaning existing outside of time, or in all timeframes at once. Which makes sense - after all, a God that's subjected to time isn't really all that omnipotent.
Now, if that is the case, God only knew what the outcome of the experiment would be by actually executing it - but not without the experiment, since humans have free will and thus can't be the subject of a logical theory. This doesn't clash with the concept of God's omniscience, since God still knows reality as a whole at all times.


I'll post a more extensive thing on the whole subject in a few hours.

I believe in God. Whether it's the Christian god or not, i am not sure. I don't really give a fuck what anyone else thinks about my beliefs, nor do i care about their beliefs or wish to change them.

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Are you being sarcastic? Mendacious?

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God.. The Supreme Being, the eternal and infinite Spirit, the Creator, and the Sovereign of the universe..
yeah.. right :BangBang:
The way i see it he's an idol for most people and that's it.

.... There is no God ... are you people smoking something?

I mean, I see who is in control of earth, its a human. is that god? ... I see billions of people BLINDLY CONTROLLED BY HIM. Is that how god works? why do you all mindlessly suck the shit out of his asshole

I cant wait for shit to get moving, so some of you retards go back to heaven.

I spend 24/7 defending my life against his incorrect behavior, and expliotation of people to selfishly perpetuate his existence while making others take the fall. Wow, what a wonderful god. U know,.... I tried it out for a small while. I discovered all its doing is relying on someone for your existence. Ok, maybe it works for some people. wonderful, and Im glad it does. you shoudl consider yourself very fortunate

Translation: You don't have to be a child to enjoy playing make-believe.

I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.

Lots of hostility here. I wish some of you god bashers would learn to distinguish between the concept of a god and the people who claim to know him. Your rage and anger are caused by the actions of people who believe in God, not by God himself. You end up projecting your hatred for the believer onto the object of their belief. You don't hate Christ. You hate Christians.

If God appeared to you in a blaze of light, would that make you believe?

I'd lay down my crackpipe.

So you would doubt even if you saw him in the flesh. Then why should he bother to show himself? It won't make you believe.

boobmaster, have you seen him?

God is Brazilian and He's my buddy

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Dude !!!
That's an AWESOME RESPONSE !!!!
Simply great :2 cents:

Exatly what i had in mind :thumbsup

So you beleive that he walked on water ?

I see :clown

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I like this board :thumbsup

if he does...were all fucked!

Then, give him a call so he can make as it was.

He's probably into BDSM cause he ain't doing shit about it :1orglaugh

Indeed! I agree with all what you had stated, God gave us the free will so we could decide on on what are we going to believe in, he doesn't want a robot to do praises because he commanded to. On my side I do believe Him withh all my heart, I know Jesus visit the earth and suffered just to save our lives and show His pure love to us, all we need to do is accept Him as our personal savior :)

Looks like you got his cell phone as you know a lot.
Shit we don't even know what the univers is all about. How can you just follow stuff made up by HUMANS 2000+ years ago ?
When people were dumb asses (we are still dumb asses by the way hehehe)
Funny also that all the crap was written like 30 to 50 years after he died ?

Look at Elvis fans today, shit they are gathering every year and he keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. They have candles in their hands,holding each others,, tears of joy in their eyes, saying "I heard that Elvis once gave 10k to a homeless woman on the spot": then it's "I heard that Elvis put his hands on a little girl during a concert and she was cured", like a miracle" and then......."I heard that someone saw Elvis walking on water......"
Remember what i said here as i'm 100% sure it will be a massive religion in like 300+ years from now :helpme

I would make a gallery out of the pics for sure $$$$$

I dunno I seem to remember Jesus playing shortstop for the Cardinals ( the irony) in the late 80's early 90's.............could be the same guy but I am not sure.

Well if God exists the way that everyone pictures god, you, sir, are going straight to hell.. sinner.

One thing that bugs (in fact, lots of things bugs me regarding this)

Have you noticed that they always work out the scary part to make you beleive.

If you don't beleive, you'll burn in hell. If you do this blahblahblahblah
That's called MANIPULATION.
Didn't he said "Everyone is blessed" ?
"Forgive" blahblahbl
Contradictions all the times.

Have you read the first pages of the bible ? Have you read the first chapters.
Fuck we all know that all this crap is pure bull, we now know what happened (begining of the earth etc..) !! HEY WAKE UP GUYS !
Now this crap is pure bull, so my question is, when does it start to be "REAL" huh ? Tell me
Who are you to decide that this is real and this not
Contradictions all the times


geeeeeeeeeeeeee :1orglaugh :helpme :glugglug

With all due respect, this is an assinine statement to make. Intelligence has nothing to do whatsoever with faith. Einstein believed in God. Did that fact make him any less of an intellectual giant. All that a good scientist will be able to tell you is that science is incapable of answering the question of God's existence at the present. That is very different from asserting that no god exists and that people who believe he does are, as you put it, schizophrenic. If you really believe this, you are an idiot. I believe in God and I can promise you that I am much much more than YOUR intellectual equal.

You are an idiot!

If I say yes, then you will say I am crazy, and if I say no, then you will say I am a hypocrit. Does it really matter to you what I believe?

If all you can do is make idiotic statements on this issue, it is pointless for me to continue discussing it with you.

Santa Claus exists and no one can prove otherwise.

How old are you, btw? First off, the question of whether or not God exists is very different from the question of whether or not God is Jesus.

Second, are you so certain that all that 'crap' was made up by humans? The bible has been attacked for centuries and to date there is not a single valid criticism that can be convincingly maintained. It's historical accuracy is unquestioned.

Equating Christianity with Elvis worship is just plain stupid.

Keep mocking it, moron!

Yeah Ok so why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible? Earth is only 7000 yers old? How did Noah get to Austrailia to save the kanagoos, platapuses and koala bears before the flood killed then all since his boat was built on DRY LAND?

You have not been very nice to me in other threads so I don't expect much from you here. Your statement might be true, if, as you say, God exists the way he is portrayed to exist by some on the far right. Is there a reason we need to assume he is as intollerent as some of the people who worship him are? I have not conceded that such is the case.

If you are correct, let me be the first to say:

Welcome to HELL. :glugglug

Do you realize how stupid you sound? You are basing your argument on your personal feelings, not on any substantive evidence. How can you slam me for having a belief based on faith when your belief is based on the same thing. If you want to discuss this issue intelligently, I am open to listening to your opinions. If you are going to rant on like an uneducated child, please don't waste my time.

Maybe there are many gods like the old religions? Sun god, harvest god, etc.

so how much time are you gonna get for pushing porn, corrupting kids, and wrecking marriages?


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No shit. What's with these useless surfer threads?

He belongs on *********.

And how would any of this prove its claims to be false? The bible wasn't concerned with amnimals, as I recall.

You automatically assume that if God exists, he has to be as intollerent as the Jerry Falwells of the world say he is?

then why did Noah built such a big boat to house them?

you realize the planation of the animals on this planet to christians is because some drunk put them on a boat and sailed for 40 days?

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Knowledge, like religion, must be "experienced" in order to be known.
Edwin P. Whipple

Perhaps you are right. I have already conceded that I am a pathetic hypocrit. That does not change the fact that God exists.

Um because some idiot claimed that it was HISTORICALLLY ACCURATE. You can't say something is HISTORICALLLY ACCURATE when it's not and then excuse it with "God doesn't care about animals anyways"

No one is forcing you to read them, are they?