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Rose · 08-25-2002, 08:50 PM

Well Labret, I like your line "Enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Maybe That's why I like Israel. Personally I have never been there and I dont think I even know any jew.

And dont be jealous that canadian schools are better than american. You know my husband is american and works in the states, but the reason we live on this side of the border is,
we didnt wanna put our son through US school system.
Remember jealousy will not get you anywhere.

Good nite

julian · 08-25-2002, 09:10 PM

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Ok, there is the 6th grade cry baby account of the creation of Israel.

According to the "bible", the Canaanites were there before the Jews. Remember... those are the ones that the God if Israel commanded the Jews to wipe off the face of the earth.

In fact, archeological evidence (artifacts, etc) shows that the Jews did not wipe out the Canaanites but intermarried with them.

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Too make a long story short...

After the war 10s of thousands of Jews were left displaced and living in displaced persons camps all over Europe. Backed by wealthy American Jews, Zionist terrorist organizations began flooding "Israel" with illegal immigrants in order to gain some influence with the British. Up until that point, they were a small minority in "Israel". Through the use of terrorism the British caved in to the Zionists.

Bingo bango... Israel.

You know jack shit.

Do you really think Israel would exist if the Holocaust never happened? Anyways suppose your version of events is somewhat true. First of all there were no Israeli terrorists in the way there are Arab terrorists. They never killed women and children and they were seeking a peaceful solution. The arabs were always the unreasonable ones. Once Israel had the land it defended it's claim many times against it's Enemies. I think they have more claim to the land than any other country to their land.
Anyways it's useless arguing with you...you just hate Jews...

[Labret] · 08-25-2002, 09:20 PM

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In fact, archeological evidence (artifacts, etc) shows that the Jews did not wipe out the Canaanites but intermarried with them.

Are you saying the Torah is false? Are you calling the God of Israel a liar?

The archaeological record proves that Neanderthal and Homo erectus both populated the area that is now Israel. Give it back to them.

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Originally posted by julian

Do you really think Israel would exist if the Holocaust never happened?

You think the push into Israel by Zionists does not pre-date the "holocaust"? Go to any site about Zionism. So long as there has been a Zionist, there has been a desire to repopulate the homeland as God commanded.

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Anyways suppose your version of events is somewhat true.

Somewhat true? That just leads me to believe you are ignorant of the facts. So far your only justification for Israel has revolved around the same argument I was given in elementary school. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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First of all there were no Israeli terrorists in the way there are Arab terrorists. They never killed women and children and they were seeking a peaceful solution.

Is that right?

Any of what I am about to quote is easily verified on the web.

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1939 Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa. Moshe Dayan was one of the participants in the act. This technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939 During this period, Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940 S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants.

February 24, 1942 S.S. Struma exploded in the Black Sea, killing 769 illegal Jewish immigrants. Described by the Jewish Agency as an act of "mass-protest and mass-suicide."

November 6, 1944 Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946 Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946 The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947 Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

September 3, 1947 A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December ll, 1947 Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947 Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947 Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947 Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947 A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

1947 -- 1948 Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land; since then, they have been denied the right to return or been given compensation for their property. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" razed to the ground 385 Arab villages and towns out of a total of 475, and obliterated their remains.

January 1, 1948 Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33wounded.

January 4, 1948 Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948 The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.

January 7, 1948 Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948 Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948 Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

February 15, 1948 Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..

March 3, 1948 Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.

March 22, 1948 A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948 The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948 A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children.Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948 Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948 Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948 A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948 A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948 Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away verything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

Please explain.

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Anyways it's useless arguing with you...you just hate Jews...

Ahh yes. The last refuge of a broken individual.

Come back when you learn a little history.

[Labret] · 08-25-2002, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Rose
You know my husband is american

Dating outside your race? Race traitor.

Captain Canada · 08-25-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by tolik

why you think iraq be attack israel?

oh i forgot, americans dont have enought time to build new WTC for atacks.

i think bush be attack my dog cock and it be good zoocontent

Iraq has said they would attack Israel if provoked by the US - just like they did in the Gulf War by firing 39 scud missiles into Tel Aviv.

julian · 08-25-2002, 10:09 PM

What is the source of all your "facts" Labret. I did a search on the web and all I could find is anti semitic sites that present no opposing view point. There was no single at least "semi-impartial" source. It is typical of people like you to use a long list of half thruths to try and "prove" a point. For example the British received at least six warnings before the King David Hotel was blown up. Your points prove nothing anyways. A country does not need to justify it's existence. That's all for me. I don't want to get into an endless chain of arguments with an idiot.

Captain Canada · 08-25-2002, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Don't confuse "the reason Israel was founded" for "the way israel is run". That would be a pretty silly mistake for someone who tries to be rational and well-informed, don't you think?

To deny the incredible power of the religious right in Israel is just showing how little you know about the situation.

Do you think that the Arab problem is a day to day issue for the average Israeli? It isn't - the biggest problem facing Israel today is the continuing pressure munted against its own citizens by the religious right. Try and drive down Tel Aviv on a Saturday and you'll know what I mean.

Captain Canada · 08-25-2002, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by julian

In fact, archeological evidence (artifacts, etc) shows that the Jews did not wipe out the Canaanites but intermarried with them.

Straight BS - post a link to prove this.

julian · 08-25-2002, 10:18 PM

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In fact, archeological evidence (artifacts, etc) shows that the Jews did not wipe out the Canaanites but intermarried with them.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_arhs.htm
The archeological record shows that, in many cases, cities mentioned in Joshua did not exist when the Israelite invasion was supposed to have happened. In most of the other locations, there were no signs of destruction as described in the Bible. There is a growing belief among archeologists that neither of the Biblical stories is true. Rather, the Israelites developed from what some call proto-Israelites who "...started out as indigenous Canaanites," already in Canaan. 2 In other words, the ancient Israelites started as a sub-culture within Canaan; they did not attack Canaan from outside

The site took the info this book:Philip Davies, "What separates a Minimalist from a Maximalist? Not much," Bible Archeology Review, 2000-MAR/APR Vol 26, #2, Page 24 to 27; 72 & 73.

Okay. I was abit wrong off on this but the point is the Israelites did not kill off the Canaanites according to archeological evidence.

Captain Canada · 08-25-2002, 10:21 PM

like I said - do you have something to prove what you said to be true?

[Labret] · 08-25-2002, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by julian

Okay. I was abit wrong off on this but the point is the Israelites did not kill off the Canaanites according to archeological evidence.

So you are calling Elohim a liar and the biblical account is false. Correct?

julian · 08-25-2002, 10:38 PM

What evidence can I offer? Do you want the pottery sent over to your house?
There are plenty of other sites. This is pretty well known. Here is another:
http://essenes.crosswinds.net/m84.htm#Deuteronomic
Many history professors would confirm this. Do a google search. Make sure what you find is supported by archeological evidence.
I'm off.

Good night

julian · 08-25-2002, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

So you are calling Elohim a liar and the biblical account is false. Correct?

SO what are you trying to prove again?

[Labret] · 08-25-2002, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by julian

SO what are you trying to prove again?

Its a simple yes or no.

You refute the claims of the Torah.

You destroy the only argument the Zionists have to Israel.

Couldnt have done it any better myself.

julian · 08-25-2002, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Its a simple yes or no.

You refute the claims of the Torah.

You destroy the only argument the Zionists have to Israel.

Couldnt have done it any better myself.

Again. There needn't be any claim. What claim does US have for US soil? Israelis turned the land into a first world country while their neighbours are still in the stone age. They defended the land through many wars.
Good Night

[Labret] · 08-25-2002, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by julian

Again. There needn't be any claim. What claim does US have for US soil? Israelis turned the land into a first world country while their neighbours are still in the stone age. They defended the land through many wars.
Good Night

They turned it into? Must have been easy with the billions we pumped in.

Stone age? Ever heard of cultural relativism? You broke anthro rule #1.

Goodnight dumbass.

As for the USA. It wasnt given to us. And last time I checked someone didnt claim to have an old book that states the land was ours.

ChrisH · 08-25-2002, 11:33 PM

Labret,
Whenever I see some ass wipe liberal bitch about the seperation of church and state. I think about you for a second. It makes the whole experiance a little easier to accept.

[Labret] · 08-25-2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisH
Labret,
Whenever I see some ass wipe liberal bitch about the seperation of church and state. I think about you for a second. It makes the whole experiance a little easier to accept.

Why me?

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by Rose

we didnt wanna put our son through US school system.

Im afraid its too late. She is breeding.

Note to self. After the revolution, begin forced sterilizations.

DarkJedi · 08-26-2002, 01:35 AM

ah, you see ? old threads can be entertaining !

ControlThy · 08-26-2002, 02:03 AM

Ah I see Labret is destroying the "arguments" of some not so informed people.

Nice read.

drumsicle · 08-26-2002, 04:30 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Why do you think they did so well in the African slave trade? [/B]

That's the second time I've seen you imply that Jews were heavily involved in the African slave trade. Got any sources? The only thing I can find is a book put out in 1991 by the Nation Of Islam.

It's also the second time I've seen you try to use the Old Testament to ascribe slavery to Judaism. Let's see what the NEW Testament says about slavery.

"Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ;" 6 not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. 7 With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. 9 And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. Col 3:22

"Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord." Col 3:24

"Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven." 1 Tim 6:1

"All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against." 1 Tim 6:2

So it appears that Christianity condones slavery too.

Erik Estrada · 08-26-2002, 04:57 AM

Why don't you post some referrence before passing this off as fact. Why the fuck should i believe you?

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 06:54 AM

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Col 3:22

Col 3:24

1 Tim 6:1

1 Tim 6:2

So it appears that Christianity condones slavery too.

You really gone and stepped in it this time eh?

So what books do you choose from the New Testament to back up your claims of Christianity embracing slavery?

Drumroll please...

Pauline Epistles.

Who was Paul? A Roman Jew who ran around the countryside killing Christians for the Jews until his conversion on the road to Damascus.

One, last I checked the Old Testament was part of the Bible. Two, choosing a Pauline Epistle to back up any claim about how Christians think is absurd. Some people want the Epistles removed from the New Testament entirely for historically as well as scriptural inaccuracies. Its about as valid as quoting Elvis.

Dip and shit.

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:05 AM

Labret you always saying that Jews don't have claim to their land in Israel.

Who has that claim then and why?

Instead of just continuously defending your view that Israeli land doesn't belong to Jews, then please give a better option. Whom does the land belong to, in your opinion, and why?

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:06 AM

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by mika
Labret you always saying that Jews don't have claim to their land in Israel.

Who has that claim then and why?

Instead of just continuously defending your view that Israeli land doesn't belong to Jews, then please give a better option. Whom does the land belong to, in your opinion, and why?

The Keebler Elves. All they have is that old tree.

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

The Keebler Elves. All they have is that old tree.

Hmm well I just cannot see what is the relevancy between the Zionist terrorism against British in the 40's and today's situation.

There would be war all over the world if we went back to 40's in order to justify where the borders should be drawn.

Soviet Union took some land from Finland, I don't cry about it, nor do I commit suicide bombings in St Petersburg. Why can't the Palestines just shut the fuck up?

drumsicle · 08-26-2002, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

You really gone and stepped in it this time eh?

So what books do you choose from the New Testament to back up your claims of Christianity embracing slavery?

Drumroll please...

Pauline Epistles.

Who was Paul? A Roman Jew who ran around the countryside killing Christians for the Jews until his conversion on the road to Damascus.

One, last I checked the Old Testament was part of the Bible. Two, choosing a Pauline Epistles to back up any claim about how Christians think is absurd. Some people want the Epistles removed from the New Testament entirely for historically as well as scriptural inaccuracies. Its about as valid as quoting Elvis.

Dip and shit.

Ahahahahaha. Now that's some funny shit. Talk about your double standards. Judaism embraces slavery cause their book says so. Christianity doesn't even though their book says so.

Regardless, you have to be a complete lunatic to think that the Jews of TODAY condone slavery.

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by mika

Hmm well I just cannot see what is the relevancy between the Zionist terrorism against British in the 40's and today's situation.

There would be war all over the world if we went back to 40's in order to justify where the borders should be drawn.

Soviet Union took some land from Finland, I don't cry about it, nor do I commit suicide bombings in St Petersburg. Why can't the Palestines just shut the fuck up?

If your livelihood was controlled by the Russians there is a good chance you would be.

They are isolated in ghettos, their movement controlled like cattle.

You cannot compare Karelia and Palestine.

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

If your livelihood was controlled by the Russians there is a good chance you would be.

They are isolated in ghettos, their movement controlled like cattle.

You cannot compare Karelia and Palestine.

Finnish people moved to the Finland main land. Why dont Palestines just leave the area?

Anyway, that wasn't the point of my post.
The point is ,

WHAT IS THE RELEVANCY between Zionist terrorism in the 40's and today's situation? Are you saying that ANYTHING in the 40's justifies some other action like war or terrorism TODAY?

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by drumsicle

Ahahahahaha. Now that's some funny shit. Talk about your double standards. Judaism embraces slavery cause their book says so. Christianity doesn't even though their book says so.

Regardless, you have to be a complete lunatic to think that the Jews of TODAY condone slavery.

Are you really this stupid, or do you just pretend?

What part of the "Old Testament is part of the Bible" doesnt make any sense?

Pauls opinions are not the foundation of Christian canon. Last time I checked, Jesus was. Show me where Jesus condones slavery.

Only drumsicle would attack Christians to defend Judaism. Same faith, different Messiah. Your ignorance scares me.

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by mika

Finnish people moved to the Finland main land. Why dont Palestines just leave the area?

So if the Russians give me your house and force you to live in my backyard, you should just accept it and move away eventually?

Suckin on a little too much Lapin Kulta uh?

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Anyway, that wasn't the point of my post.
The point is ,

WHAT IS THE RELEVANCY between Zionist terrorism in the 40's and today's situation?

I was responding to the post that someone made regarding "the Zionist terrorists were never as bad as Arab terrorists". When in fact they were. Thats all. Read a little more carefully.

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Are you saying that ANYTHING in the 40's justifies some other action like war or terrorism TODAY?

What?

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:31 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

What? [/B]

You seem to be saying that Jews don't have "legal" claim to the Israeli land because they used Zionist terrorism against British in the 40's. Right?

You just avoid the question about whom does the land belong to, in your opinion, by giving answers like Keebler Elves.

drumsicle · 08-26-2002, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Are you really this stupid, or do you just pretend?

What part of the "Old Testament is part of the Bible" doesnt make any sense?

Pauls opinions are not the foundation of Christian canon. Last time I checked, Jesus was. Show me where Jesus condones slavery.

Only drumsicle would attach Christians to defend Judaism. Same faith, different Messiah. Your ignorance scares me.

A disciple is not above the teacher, nor a slave above the master (Matt. 10:24)

Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. (Matt. 24:45-46)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. (Eph. 6:5-6)

Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior. (Titus 2:9-10)

Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God's approval. (1Pet. 2:18-29)

You were saying?

Where did I say the Old Testament wasn't part of the bible? Your delusions scare me.

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by mika

You seem to be saying that Jews don't have "legal" claim to the Israeli land because they used Zionist terrorism against British in the 40's. Right?

Ok, for the third time. Pay attention here.

Pointing out Zionist terrorism was merely to show someone that claimed the Zionists terrorists were not killers of innocent people proof that they did indeed kill innocents.

What part of that is making no sense?

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You just avoid the question about whom does the land belong to, in your opinion, by giving answers like Keebler Elves.

Because its a stupid question. Like who do the Americas really belong to? Who does Ireland really belong to? Who does South Africa really belong to? You can take that argument to the level of absurdity very quickly, which has been done several several times on this board.

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by drumsicle

A disciple is not above the teacher, nor a slave above the master (Matt. 10:24)

(Matt. 24:45-46)

Is that Jesus condoning it or acknowledging that the Jews owned slaves?

Where was Jesus slaves?

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(Eph. 6:5-6)

(Titus 2:9-10)

(1Pet. 2:18-29)

Again, Pauline Epistles. Quit copying and pasting without knowing what you are talking about. It just makes you look like an idiot. And you dont need any more help.

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Where did I say the Old Testament wasn't part of the bible? Your delusions scare me.

I still have no idea why you are pounding around this Christian slavery issue.

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:44 AM

Pointing out? Really? How about...

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Originally posted by [Labret]

We have a people crying about terrorism, when they have used terrorism to their advantage all throughout their history. There would be no Israel without Zionist terrorism. The Torah outlines many instances of genocide committed by the Jewish. Terrorism and violence run deep through Judaism.

They do not belong there. Period. Their only claim to the land is a book written 3 years ago.

It seems to me pretty much, that in another thread you said that
a) there would be no Israel without terrorism
b) they dont have a valid claim to the land

Now, they got that land, with or without terrorism - in the 40's. So they have owned it for decades now. That is a claim to that land. The fact that they have owned the land for decades is a valid claim to that land.

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Because its a stupid question. Like who do the Americas really belong to? Who does Ireland really belong to? Who does South Africa really belong to? You can take that argument to the level of absurdity very quickly, which has been done several several times on this board.

Exactly. I know that. That is THE REASON why I'm trying to say that Jews have a valid claim to the land simply because they have it under their control as of TODAY - and have had for decades.

Actually it's you who is supposed to prove otherwise, if you think that the land does NOT belong to Israel.

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:45 AM

Here is some more to cut and paste from if it will make you feel better.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl2.htm

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by mika
Pointing out? Really? How about...

Exactly. I know that. That is THE REASON why I'm trying to say that Jews have a valid claim to the land simply because they have it under their control as of TODAY - and have had for decades.

Actually it's you who is supposed to prove otherwise, if you think that the land does NOT belong to Israel.

Gotta love the might makes right argument.

So if I shoot you in the face and take your house... its mine fair and square?

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by mika
Now, they got that land, with or without terrorism - in the 40's. So they have owned it for decades now. That is a claim to that land. The fact that they have owned the land for decades is a valid claim to that land.

How long does one have to occupy someone elses land before it becomes a valid claim to that land?

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Gotta love the might makes right argument.

So if I shoot you in the face and take your house... its mine fair and square?

Comparing a man-to-man conflict and nation vs nation conflict is even worse than comparing Karelia and Palestine, isn't it?

Anyway, just to answer your "question":
Yes it is yours fair and square if you're a nation and I'm a nation and that shooting happened 50 years ago and all 200 other nations in the world agree that you have the right to my "house" TODAY. Then yes, you own it.

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

How long does one have to occupy someone elses land before it becomes a valid claim to that land?

I don't have an answer to that. You seem to have, because you say that Jews do NOT have a valid claim because they have owned it for decades "only".

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by mika

Comparing a man-to-man conflict and nation vs nation conflict is even worse than comparing Karelia and Palestine, isn't it?

Anyway, just to answer your "question":
Yes it is yours fair and square if you're a nation and I'm a nation and that shooting happened 50 years ago and all 200 other nations in the world agree that you have the right to my "house" TODAY. Then yes, you own it.

They dont call it the Jewnited Nations for nothing...

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by mika

I don't have an answer to that. You seem to have, because you say that Jews do NOT have a valid claim because they have owned it for decades.

You are hung up on this occupation argument. Occupation is no argument to me. Its a might makes right argument that borders on social darwinism and none of that holds water.

The Zionists have one argument and one claim to Israel... and its in the Torah.

mika · 08-26-2002, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

They dont call it the Jewnited Nations for nothing...

Right. Fortunately we have one adult webmaster who is wiser than the 200 nations combined ;)

drumsicle · 08-26-2002, 07:59 AM

Ok, so you want to limit it to the Gospels, then I repeat...

A disciple is not above the teacher, nor a slave above the master (Matt. 10:24)

Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. (Matt. 24:45-46)

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Where was Jesus slaves?

Never said he had them.

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Originally posted by [Labret]

It just makes you look like an idiot. And you dont need any more help.

Ah yes, resort to personal attacks when you have lost the argument.

mika · 08-26-2002, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

The Zionists have one argument and one claim to Israel... and its in the Torah.

So be it, if it's the only argument we have. What is the argument of Palestinian people? is it any better than occupation argument that I'm hung up on?

[Labret] · 08-26-2002, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by mika

Right. Fortunately we have one adult webmaster who is wiser than the 200 nations combined ;)

Yes, I am the only one who feels this way. Everyone knows the United Nations are the impartial guardians of truth and justice.

You really think because the United Nations condones the occupation it makes everything ok?

drumsicle · 08-26-2002, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

They dont call it the Jewnited Nations for nothing...

And you have the nerve to call others ignorant? Take a look at the UN's record involving Israel sometime.

08-25-2002, 08:50 PM	#51
Rose Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ON,Canada Posts: 1,456	Well Labret, I like your line "Enemy of my enemy is my friend". Maybe That's why I like Israel. Personally I have never been there and I dont think I even know any jew. And dont be jealous that canadian schools are better than american. You know my husband is american and works in the states, but the reason we live on this side of the border is, we didnt wanna put our son through US school system. Remember jealousy will not get you anywhere. Good nite __________________ <a href="http://www.fpctraffic.com/webm.cgi?pppp">MAKE 4 Cents per BLIND CLICK or 2.5 Cents per RAW</a> Last edited by Rose; 08-25-2002 at 08:53 PM..

08-25-2002, 10:09 PM	#56
julian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 77	What is the source of all your "facts" Labret. I did a search on the web and all I could find is anti semitic sites that present no opposing view point. There was no single at least "semi-impartial" source. It is typical of people like you to use a long list of half thruths to try and "prove" a point. For example the British received at least six warnings before the King David Hotel was blown up. Your points prove nothing anyways. A country does not need to justify it's existence. That's all for me. I don't want to get into an endless chain of arguments with an idiot. __________________ Visit http://www.elitecities.com for free hosting Last edited by julian; 08-25-2002 at 10:43 PM..

08-25-2002, 10:38 PM	#62
julian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 77	What evidence can I offer? Do you want the pottery sent over to your house? There are plenty of other sites. This is pretty well known. Here is another: http://essenes.crosswinds.net/m84.htm#Deuteronomic Many history professors would confirm this. Do a google search. Make sure what you find is supported by archeological evidence. I'm off. Good night __________________ Visit http://www.elitecities.com for free hosting

08-26-2002, 04:57 AM	#73
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08-26-2002, 07:05 AM	#75
mika Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 1,561	Labret you always saying that Jews don't have claim to their land in Israel. Who has that claim then and why? Instead of just continuously defending your view that Israeli land doesn't belong to Jews, then please give a better option. Whom does the land belong to, in your opinion, and why? Last edited by mika; 08-26-2002 at 07:07 AM..

08-25-2002, 10:21 PM	#60
Captain Canada Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 469	like I said - do you have something to prove what you said to be true?

08-25-2002, 11:33 PM	#67
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	Labret, Whenever I see some ass wipe liberal bitch about the seperation of church and state. I think about you for a second. It makes the whole experiance a little easier to accept.

08-26-2002, 01:35 AM	#70
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	ah, you see ? old threads can be entertaining !

08-26-2002, 02:03 AM	#71
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	Ah I see Labret is destroying the "arguments" of some not so informed people. Nice read.

08-26-2002, 07:06 AM	#76
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08-26-2002, 07:45 AM	#89
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Here is some more to cut and paste from if it will make you feel better. http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl2.htm