it can't be worse than what we have now.
How bad do we have to get our asses kicked before we change our vote?

Centurion..... people should be waking up and realizing that the link in Iraq to AlQ and terrorism is the same. Have you seen the photo of the marble inlay at the previous "Saddam Hussein" airport that depicted the deat of GWB senior?

The whole fucking Middle East hates the US, (including Saudi Arabia).

The wake up here..... is that we have unfortunately entered a conquest unlike the Crusades. You're seeing religon vs. religion... the "haves vs. the have nots".

If you think for a second Iraq was not a TERRORIST STATE ask the 15,000 dead Kurds. And 100,000 faceless graves left by the nice man, Saddam and his kids.

:2 cents:

Going to college doesn't mean that you will automatically get a good job any more than not going to college means that you will never get a good job. Going to college will, however, give you more opportunities to get a good job than not going to college will. If you combine that with hard work, your odds of succeeding will be that much better.

Everyone should have the opportunity to go to college. That begins with all children having access to good public school educations which will prepare them to succeed in college. Having the opportunity doesn't mean that you don't have to work hard to achieve your goals.

i dont trust either side. red, blue, yellow, green.

fuck em all.

i have no idea how people can even begin to believe "freedom" exists, in a country where there are places that have MANDATOY sentencing for marijuana, while some are Decriminklized, and some states you cannt suck a cock or have anal sex, and you may NOT OWN A DILDO!

this is not freedom.

george washington, kennedy, all of them can fuck off.

one owned slaves the other owns mexicans, who is better?

george washington, how can one believe a damn thing he sais? he was a SLAVE OWNER, he knows NOTHING OF FRREEDOm.

these are federalists in sheeps clothing.

WHAT LINK? There is WAS NO link to Al Qaeda in Iraq. EVEN GW finally admitted that. It is even documented in the recently released 9/11 report. The same was said in the report on U.S. Intelligence failures. Yet despite the overwelming FACTS & PROOF, you want us to just take your word for it that Saddam and Osama were connected and somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks. Give that up..it's old and not relevant to the CURRENT discussion about Iraq.

And Saddam never aided OTHER terrorist groups. In fact, he VIEWED outside groups as a THREAT to him and him & his power!

Tom... can you tell I'm "right wing"? I don't vote party line... There are ALOT of Dem issues I support....

PORN? Anyone?
Womans right to choose.
Gays...
And a ton of others....


Without defending the US... none of the above will matter.
I'm not "running to 9-11" it actually happened. It's our Pearl Harbor... the problem is, many Americans NOW think it's okay to be attacked.

:2 cents:

I was all for taking out Saddam and liberating Iraq. Let's face it the only other significant military force came from Britian and some smaller amounts from a few other countries so it would look like it was an international force. But the death toll speaks the truth. How many Brits died?

That's my point. If it was balanced, yeh we would still have casualties but at least it wouldn't just be all our guys and with a stronger force the overall number would have been less.

*bowl* eh Fletch? lmao :Graucho

It could have been a hell of a lot worse over the last four years than it has been. This might seem like a terrible thing to say but I think the events of 911 actually made things easier on the porn industry. It shifted the objectives of the DOJ toward fighting terrorism and away from fighting us.

The recent proposed changes in the 2257 laws are unwelcomed but outside of that, Asshahahahaha hasn't really done much to hurt us (at least in comparrison with all the gloom and doom predictions back in 2000).

Do people really still tie Iraq to 9/11 because it sure sounds like you just did.

". BUT.... he knows if for some reason he doesnt... it was for OUR freedom."

What the hell does Iraq have to do with OUR freedom? :1orglaugh

Ok, well if you insist that there's a moral imperative to eliminate ruthless dictators like that, then let's work our way through the whole world.
I say we start with the Saudis and then work our way through Africa....and by the way, guess who gets to pay for that? It'll cost a fuck of a lot more than sending kids to college, which you so vehemently oppose.

Let me ask you a question. Should every child have a right to attend elementary school? Junior High School? Or should the only kids who get to go be the ones whose parents can afford private schools and the rest of the kids will be ok because you think they can somehow just "be performers"??

Paying for all of our kids to go to college is really just extending education in our country for another 2 to 4 years, since we're already paying for every child to have the first 12 years.
That's not an unreasonable thing to do considering how much more our kids need to learn to compete in the global marketplace.

boob... well said....
:thumbsup
I've seen idiots with degrees make NOTHING because they don't work.

Everyone currently HAS the opportunity to go to college if they want it... The Dems want to make Yale, Harvard, and Stanford.... public schools for the underpriviledged.
:2 cents:

have to agree with this 100%


they have lost a bunch of us (people that I know personally that are ex-Republicans) that considered ourselves socially liberal and fiscally conservative, fans of the 2nd Amendment, lower biz taxes, etc...


...the far right wingers they can keep...I actually like most of the Libertarian party's platform, however I'm a pragmatic enough to know that 3rd parties are not realistic in this political system...


PS: Funny how they still call us wanting donations and to 'invite' us to dinner with GW...lol


I wish the election wasn't so apparently close, I'd LOVE to see him get slam dunked...

so just because they hate us means it's ok to attack them?

maybe if we didn't butt our nose in their business for the last 50 years maybe they wouldn't give a shit about us. :2 cents:

Everyone with money had slaves back then Fletch. The economy was agriculture based for the most part. Blacks were horrifically exploited to be the labor for American farmers. That was our history and its sad to say.

Everyone with money had slaves back then Fletch. The economy was agriculture based for the most part. Blacks were horrifically exploited to be the labor for American farmers. That was our history and its sad to say.

This is exactly why I despise republicans; its all about you and fuck everyone else. People like you are so far beyond help its not even funny.

You don't trust ANYONE, politician or not.

Owning slaves was a common practice in Washington's day. You can't blame people for being a product of their times. Besides, we don't know how Washington personally felt about slavery. Some of the slave owners back then treated their slaves like actual human beings and let them eat at the same dinner table as they did, and so on. A lot of these people hated slavery but the time was not condusive to speaking out against it (i.e., there was a much grerater risk of doing so back then). It is really easy to judge others from our perspective now.

As KRL just mentioned, this was a sad fact of life back then...




on a side note...a trivial tidbit of info here:


in Washington's diary did you know that he liked to go down to the muddy swamp with his slaves when they were burning the hemp?


tells me that he wasn't a total snob and enjoyed a few phatties/contact high's with his slaves...

Lenny... I'm so not dissing you...
"Let me ask you a question. Should every child have a right to attend elementary school? Junior High School? Or should the only kids who get to go be the ones whose parents can afford private schools and the rest of the kids will be ok because you think they can somehow just "be performers"??"

EVERY child should be afforded a basic education. However (if you're a parent, or had been my parent LMAO) some will reject it.

College is a prestigious honor. My younger sister worked 6 years to make what I have not. (I still make craploads more $$ than her, but that's besides the point).

My point is... going to college is EARNED, like everything else... not handed out "because it's the right thing to do".

IT IS an unreasonable thing to consider being that 80% drop out. People need to learn PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY again. You want me to send YOUR/and or OTHER's to college on MY Nickle? Fuck you.
:321GFY
I'll send mine if he wants to go. AND Since... you are so education oriented and willing to give, pay pal me $20,000 to blingdaddy at the Masturbationstation.com

I'll put it in his American Funds account and he'll be ready to go in 17.4 years.
:thumbsup

Crockett... they hate us enough to kill 3200 of us in one attack. In my book, that makes it okay to nuke the whole fucking Middle East. I'd hate to be the police officer that explained to you that a loved one was murdered because of terrorism.

Obviously, we all know the quote:

"Make the most of the Indian hemp seed,
and sow it everywhere!"

which makes my point even more.

now, even george EWashington would be arrested by the Bush.
He grew hemp, was his favorite thing, gee I wonder why.

My point is simple, dont hand me a menu full of freedom and peace and freedom of religion, and then own blacks.

forece feed that shit to someone else.

40 acres and a mule is a good song, but not a plan.

I wish george was alive, I wonder what he would say about all this shit going on.

Suck... since you're so into taking care of everyone else, my little boy needs his college fund paid. He is 16 months, and is planning on going to Harvard. I can't pay for that yet. Oh yeah, he feels REAL bad for all the people that had to jump out of the WTC on 9-11.

Since your a helping dem, help us to come to the light by sending money paypal to us. We'll use it appropriately. That's not selfish is it?

That's the only smart thing you said in that whole rant.

What needs to change is the definition of "basic education"
We need to change our education system to meet the demands of today's marketplace, we've done it in the past and its now time to do it again.

On another note, is it hard to breathe with your head that far up Rush Limbaugh's ass?

I am a Republican who did not vote for Bush !

I was actually a Democrat til the cigar incident.

:winkwink:

The fact that there are still people who think the Iraq invasion was justified because of 911 tells me there will be a lot of votes for Bush this November.


He might win. :eek7

Owwww! That hurts! He's a druggie!
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

here you go, put a picture of bush in the middle and run this text:



against abortion | for abortion

against drug use | for drug use

against murder | for murder

against corporate criminals | for corporate criminals

against religious fanatics | is a religions fanatic

for freedom | against freedom




what's that saying about rocks and glass houses?

I am not going to get into the whole saddam things. Its been done to the point of boring. Here is what you have to think about Vote for W

If you like the idea of being possibly drafted.
Your friends being in jail ,sponsors out of business.
The gloves will come off on porn the second term.
I cant believe how some cannot see the writing on the walls.
'Why do you think one of the largest players is moving their operation to south america? They like the food?
I hope you have another skill to fall back on.

yes you are correct but have you ever thought about looking into the history of what we and the europeans have done to that area of the world. A big reason they don't like us is because of what we have done to them..

Not saying we deserved 9-11 but we do share part of the blame.

I guess you missed Sharpton

You just don't fuckin get it, do you. Pull your head out of your ass, clean the shit out of your ears and listen......IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9/11. There is a man named bin Laden that you right wingers seemed to have forgotten about.

I realize anytime bombs are dropped and people are killed your cock gets hard and you lose all capability of logic, so please, quit the jerking off for a while and use your fucking brain for once.

Okay... since it's past my bedtime, and I have ALOT of porn work to do tomorrow... I am signing off of this thread with the following statements... Please enjoy, and lump me as a Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Green, or other and make your own decisions.


- The United States of America was attacked on 9-11 and thousands of American lives were lost on US Soil. I fully support the attacking, killing, and maiming of any population that may have/or did have connections to said attack including - Iraq (terrormaster Saddam Hussein), AlQ, Syria, Saudia Arabia, and/or any other radical Islam segment that may threaten the US, England, Canada, Sweden, or any other free Nation.

- It is not my job to feed/clothe/educate or otherwise take care of your offspring. If you're kids are starving, and need education it is not my responsibility. If you're children are too retarded to make their way to some form of college education and pay for it with student loans and/or scholarships I feel REALLY bad, but it's not my fault.

- If your job sucks, and you make minimum wage, I would encourage you to find a new profession or "better job". If you have 13 children you need to feed, I would like to suggest that you stop fucking, and invest in condoms. Your 13 children should also be working 5-9pm and making A+s in school so that they may better your situation.

- I love ALL people.... we are all created equal. BUT, if you have a sign on the street that reads "homeless, anything helps" not only do I not feel sorry for you, but I will give you nothing as you probably make more in an hour of panhandling than I do. Especially since you are ripped, and up at 6am. (ripped+up at 6am=JOB)

- Capitalism and wealth are common in a "democracy". If you are poor, study harder go to school, aspire to be richer, and make a name for yourself. If you do not, I do not feel bad for you.

- Our soldiers are to be revered... They are the reason we have these conversations. They have not died in vain. They are heros. They protect our right to speak in death.

Amen...

whats funny is that obama stated that democrats have a unifying message and that democrats and republicans are still americans etc etc and that the repupblicans are the ones splitting america appart when John Edwards speeches are mostly based around the fact that there are 2 america's, the rich and the rest.. makes no sense.. they should get a unified message instead of sending mixed signals...

In theory, I would agree with this ideology. Most people initially would. We all have our own self-interests in mind. That alone doesn't make you greedy. It's natural to want to take care of yourself and your family before taking care of strangers. And it's natural to be upset when you think that you are being asked to support someone who is not 'contributing their fair share'.

But it's a 'utopian' view to imagine that these people will just passively consent to those rules. The Darwinistic social theory does not take human nature into account. These people will not just go away. Those not having their needs met, for whatever reason - legitimate or not (even if they're just "stupid" or "lazy"), will become increasingly desperate. If they feel desperate enough, hopeless, alone .. then the charade of civilization is shed. They will rob you to get what (they think) they need, they will kill you to get what (they think) they need, and they will be destructive simply to express their rage.

That's reality. It's not nice, but human nature has been this way throughout all of human history. If you don't take this reality into consideration when you are financing a society, then you will pay for it in harder terms.

Social welfare is a bribe. It's an attempt to passify those most likely to disrupt society. It's distasteful, but neccessary if you want to to live in a safe country.

Ultimately this is why countries with free health care and a generous social safety net have such lower crime rates.

"we will have one clear unmistakable message for al Qaida and the rest of these terrorists. You cannot run. You cannot hide. And we will destroy you."



Who said that?

IMO, there will be a draft in 2005, probably with broader age limits.


Btw... John Edwards said that.

fuck i hope the democrats win.

play this:

bushgame.com

Actually we have had a lot of international support from countries in the war against Iraq. However since most countries no longer maintain a huge military force, most provided money and were in supporting roles. The "all alone" just doesn't cut it. We have friends from other countries die side-by-side with our troops. Their death should not be for nothing, most troops over there know what they are trying to accomplish, I talk to some everyday. Bring freedom to a people who have been BRUTALLY oppressed for decades, give hope to children, and most importantly spread democracy in a region full of dictators and oppressive regimes.

That is my soap box.

Now I know why the term "Stupid Americans" is so common throughout the world (referring to BLINGDADDY):2 cents:

It seems no matter how much people try to reason with Blingdaddy he is just plain ignorant and it probably will take his brain 5-20 years to come to grips with reality.

Unfortunately there are many Americans that think like Bling which is why Bush probably will win.:(

Don't laugh, it had a lot more to do than you think. People open your eyes, look beyond the sugar coating.

1. Okay so no WMD's yet. Every country in the UN agreed Sadaam was trying to aquire them, it wasn't just the "Bush agenda". We need to give the internation force looking for the WMD more time before we jump to conclusions.

2. Ties to Bin Laden, well nothing direct. But have you ever heard the phrase, "Your enemies-enemies is your closest ally." Do you think Sadaam or his sons would have blinked an eye to give material aide to these terrorists. All with keeping their hands clean of course.

3. Ask the 100,000 of women, children, and men who died for no reason under Sadaam, "Do you think we should have done something?". Is this justification? No, there are tons of other countries violating human rights. How many people did we just give a new brighter future to? I salute every single soldier who is wearing the uniform of our Country.

Do I think it was right to go into Iraq, hell yes! It should have been done 10 years ago. But no one wanted to handle the "after effects" of Iraq. So we just let it get worse.

I can't think anymore. I am done.

The more I read this thread the more I think that Bush will be re-elected.

amazing the number of anti-war, anti-Bush people that seem to have missed this. Kerry will be another LBJ :2 cents:

I agree...

And I agree with this also. Wow, were do I fall on the political spectrum..

Excellent post. I agree on all points. :thumbsup

So, if you don't agree with someone you just call them "Stupid Americans"? It is so easy to label someone with a different view as ignorant.

I expressed my opinions and views without resorting to throwing stones at someone who has a different opinion.

:2 cents:

Finally! Someone who represents ALL Americans. Unlike Bush, who knows without a doubt he wants perpetual war, wants to give government money to religious chariities, etc etc... Vote for Bush, he'll never change his mind no matter how wrong he is!

First of all I never called anyone a stupid American; I just said I can see why other people refer to them as such.(from dif. post)

Pakistan/N Korea already have WMDs ( btw Pakistan has terrorist schools to teach young kids to hate America) why doesn't Bush attack them?(and Saudi Arabia where the terrorist come from)

9/11 was committed by a small group of people not a country.

If a bunch of guys from San Diego bombed a Russian landmark killing a bunch of "ex-commies"; is that reason for Russia to come after the US and start bombing Canada also because thier people are similiar?

The people in the mid-east have kids, hopes and dreams just like us ; the majority don't think about killing us , they think about getting a job,a new house,car,food etc. BUT WHEN YOU START KILLING THIER KIDS FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S CRIMES YOU INCITE MORE ANGER TOWARDS US AND PERPETUATE THE CRIMINALS GOALS.

sorry it's late and I'm rambling..
G'night.

It's time for John Juicy Edwards :

http://picparadise.com/gfy/john_juicy_edwards.jpg

Communism didn't work.

If you happen to like socialism, there are flights to Sweden all the time....