Dialers Scanned as Viruses now By McAfee and Norton. - GoFuckYourself.com

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 03:48 PM

The new updates on both Norton Antivirus and McAfee Anti-Virus Programs scan a certain niteline dialer as a virus..

The dialer is the Porn dialer one and it is now to be a virus..

This is going to be a problem

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 03:57 PM

Ok heres the shit that is surrounding this..

1)Talk that some surfers are now debating their phone bills saying it dialed by itself, and McAfee and Norton are backing by giving documentation they need to show for any validity..

2) Rumors that a large site that used this Porn dialer attached the Virus "backdoor" to it, either himself or a hacker responsible. It was so widly distributed off his site, that the virus scan people had to catorgorize the dialer itslef for one dialer.

3) Rumors that this is a ploy to get rid of dialers, and is a thing to come lising most dialers as viruses to stop the growth of the industry.

I was talking to someone close to McCafee, and he told me that they were looking at the differences between porn dial and some others, and he said there was little.

When I asked does this mean it will be removed off the list of viruses he said "I didnt say that", when I asked if this means other dialers will be listed as Viruses, he said we will see in the next update..

Not good.. Not sure if this is an intentional attack on the dialer industry, or just a fuck up, but it is not good..

Why? He told me that if this is indeed classified as a virus, and if you distribute it, you can be held accountable.

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 03:58 PM

http://vil.nai.com/vil/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99071

this is the link to the AntiVirus definition page.

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 04:03 PM

Problems:

1)Webmasters may be accountable for distributing this "virus" if they have it on their site.

2) Surfers just have the validity they need to get phone bills reversed.

3) Surfers will have a hard time downloading dialers because they will be scaned as a virus, and will delete them before ever using them.

4) FCC is gunna get involved again if there is a valid suspision that these things are dialing by themselves.

5) You can bet some action is going to come from this, sit back and watch this, and get rid of your porn dialer dialer. Go with one that isnt considered a virus.. That is till the next update!

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 04:05 PM

This link classifies the porn dial as a trojan virus and was updated on 4-17
http://vil.nai.com/VIL/recently-updated-viruses.asp

So this may be old news, but the update evolved its postion on the classification process as a trojan

candidpublishinginc · 04-24-2001, 05:03 PM

That's BS. These anti virus companies are going to get sued by Niteline and the like. The FTC has been okay with the current dialers.

I'm sorry, but a bunch of anti virus companies aren't going to kill off dialers.

Also, are you sure Norton jumped on board? I thought it was only McAfee?

Kat - Fast · 04-24-2001, 07:04 PM

i posted a while ago about a dialer exe (goto) that i removed from a friends pc - it had installed itself about 6 times all over the file system - not including shortcuts.
I see no reason why it shouldn't be classed as a virus - it's one thing for a surfer to be stupid enough to download the exe, but completely different when a tech has to waste an hour searching for repeated self installed copies of the damn thing.

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 08:23 PM

Fun aint it?

Techie Media · 04-24-2001, 08:29 PM

Boneprone, surly you dont need another gfy shirt..LOL
This is a great post for the most informative post of the day. Whatever ends up with the dialers, remember "Bone said it first here"
Good post..

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Warphead · 04-24-2001, 08:41 PM

This is fucked-up. I've long thought that virus paranoia is a scam. Sure virii are out there and reasonably harmful, but the software companies would have you think that by turning your system on you're at risk.

Also anti-virus software is second only to games when it comes to sales.

Of course, I've been accused of being a conspiracy-theory nut.

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 09:11 PM

Actually I would love another sweatshirt, one for my wife Candy... But Im trying to post more webmaster related topics now rather than just the traditional boneprone type posts.. But rumor has it DANK has been spotted and should make an appearance here soon!!

Doctor Dre · 04-24-2001, 09:13 PM

Old dialers should be considered as a virus ... If you delete it, its re-installing on your desktop 5 mins later ... Its also going on startup . My friend were stocked with over 15 on his desktop since like one year lol ! When I saw this I found a patch on astalavista to remove them . Thats the only way . So why It shouldn't be considered as a virus ?

pet · 04-24-2001, 10:30 PM

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[This message has been edited by pet (edited 07-08-2001).]

SNOW · 04-24-2001, 10:48 PM

Dsl dialers are in the process but its very difficult..Can you imagine the bandwith..
Average ejaculation time for a surfer is like 9 minutes... The bandwith would kill you....

I dont think dsl dialers will come...

boneprone · 04-24-2001, 11:28 PM

my avarage ejac time is about 5 mins.. I guess I wouldnt make a good dialer customer.

Pete Dogg · 04-25-2001, 01:01 AM

Can dialers count by the second?

boneprone · 04-25-2001, 02:23 AM

they do.

candidpublishinginc · 04-25-2001, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SNOW:
Dsl dialers are in the process but its very difficult..Can you imagine the bandwith..
Average ejaculation time for a surfer is like 9 minutes... The bandwith would kill you....

I dont think dsl dialers will come...

Snow that makes no sense.

How would a DSL dialer kill your bandwidth? People with DSL and cable surf onto the members areas of paysites on a regular basis, and it didn't kill any paysites bandwidth.

Also, I'm not sure how a DSL dialer is supposed to actually dial. (I can see it done if the person had a modem in addition to DSL.)

Crutch · 04-25-2001, 06:36 AM

Great post and good info Brother Bone...
Had no idea about this shit.
Interesting.
Thanks BB

Kat - Fast · 04-25-2001, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SNOW:
Average ejaculation time for a surfer is like 9 minutes...

Lmao! Where the fuck do you find statistics like this?!?!?!!
*get's his stopwatch and kleenex out*

boneprone · 04-25-2001, 01:46 PM

We consulted with Doctors.. Ejulactorlists here at OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University) provided us with the information.

sairanx · 04-25-2001, 02:50 PM

let the dailers be virusus !!!

dailers are crap and they are ruining the reputation of the porn bizz and we all know that this reputation is already crappy.

i hope that they will all be banned!

boneprone · 04-25-2001, 03:29 PM

why? I think shitty annoying pop-ups and the sites that use them are bringing the industry down. Not clean well put togehter sites promoting the dialer..

Most people wont surf pron because they are scared they will get stuck in a bombardment of popups they cant get out of, not of dialers..

Exxxotica · 04-25-2001, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sairanx:
let the dailers be virusus !!!

dailers are crap and they are ruining the reputation of the porn bizz and we all know that this reputation is already crappy.

i hope that they will all be banned!

I agree! Porn should be Free and Easy to find! Thank God For the TGP's like yours!

boneprone · 04-25-2001, 11:07 PM

I wonder what niteline's stand on this virus issue is?

sandman! · 04-25-2001, 11:37 PM

boneprone you cant blame everything on us cj people

boneprone · 04-25-2001, 11:39 PM

I never did blame anything on a cj person?
What do you mean? Im talking about poor;y made sites that cant make $$, so they resort to endless amounts of popup windows that get you stuck.. Are you one of them?

boneprone · 04-25-2001, 11:43 PM

Im a defender of dialers, arent you a broker? Im on your side bro!

Bexman · 04-26-2001, 09:04 AM

Some Dialers which reinstall themselves everytime you kick it should be considered as viruses!! I know that some Dialers connect without the users permission (a friend of mine who was away for a weekend got a bill about 900 DM (~ 500 $)) His pc had to remain on for ripping DVDs to DivX. There surely was no one on the pc and so the dialer has to dialed up itself. Kick this silly shit -- they're like fuckin' viruses !!

boneprone · 04-26-2001, 02:10 PM

thats what I tell my wife when she see the phone bill also.
"I didnt do it, it must be a virus and connected all by itself!"

boneprone · 05-04-2001, 04:21 PM

Im wondering if the dialers that got replaced last night in that scare were the ones being scanned as viruses? I think they were.

04-24-2001, 03:48 PM	#1
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Dialers Scanned as Viruses now By McAfee and Norton. The new updates on both Norton Antivirus and McAfee Anti-Virus Programs scan a certain niteline dialer as a virus.. The dialer is the Porn dialer one and it is now to be a virus.. This is going to be a problem

04-24-2001, 03:57 PM	#2
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Ok heres the shit that is surrounding this.. 1)Talk that some surfers are now debating their phone bills saying it dialed by itself, and McAfee and Norton are backing by giving documentation they need to show for any validity.. 2) Rumors that a large site that used this Porn dialer attached the Virus "backdoor" to it, either himself or a hacker responsible. It was so widly distributed off his site, that the virus scan people had to catorgorize the dialer itslef for one dialer. 3) Rumors that this is a ploy to get rid of dialers, and is a thing to come lising most dialers as viruses to stop the growth of the industry. I was talking to someone close to McCafee, and he told me that they were looking at the differences between porn dial and some others, and he said there was little. When I asked does this mean it will be removed off the list of viruses he said "I didnt say that", when I asked if this means other dialers will be listed as Viruses, he said we will see in the next update.. Not good.. Not sure if this is an intentional attack on the dialer industry, or just a fuck up, but it is not good.. Why? He told me that if this is indeed classified as a virus, and if you distribute it, you can be held accountable.

04-24-2001, 03:58 PM	#3
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	http://vil.nai.com/vil/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99071 this is the link to the AntiVirus definition page.

04-24-2001, 04:03 PM	#4
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Problems: 1)Webmasters may be accountable for distributing this "virus" if they have it on their site. 2) Surfers just have the validity they need to get phone bills reversed. 3) Surfers will have a hard time downloading dialers because they will be scaned as a virus, and will delete them before ever using them. 4) FCC is gunna get involved again if there is a valid suspision that these things are dialing by themselves. 5) You can bet some action is going to come from this, sit back and watch this, and get rid of your porn dialer dialer. Go with one that isnt considered a virus.. That is till the next update!

04-24-2001, 04:05 PM	#5
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	This link classifies the porn dial as a trojan virus and was updated on 4-17 http://vil.nai.com/VIL/recently-updated-viruses.asp So this may be old news, but the update evolved its postion on the classification process as a trojan

04-24-2001, 05:03 PM	#6
candidpublishinginc Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bedford, NH 03110 Posts: 707	That's BS. These anti virus companies are going to get sued by Niteline and the like. The FTC has been okay with the current dialers. I'm sorry, but a bunch of anti virus companies aren't going to kill off dialers. Also, are you sure Norton jumped on board? I thought it was only McAfee?

04-24-2001, 07:04 PM	#7
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	i posted a while ago about a dialer exe (goto) that i removed from a friends pc - it had installed itself about 6 times all over the file system - not including shortcuts. I see no reason why it shouldn't be classed as a virus - it's one thing for a surfer to be stupid enough to download the exe, but completely different when a tech has to waste an hour searching for repeated self installed copies of the damn thing.

04-24-2001, 08:23 PM	#8
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Fun aint it?

04-24-2001, 08:29 PM	#9
Techie Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,092	Boneprone, surly you dont need another gfy shirt..LOL This is a great post for the most informative post of the day. Whatever ends up with the dialers, remember "Bone said it first here" Good post.. ------------------ Smile and Be Happy Lightning Free Hosting

04-24-2001, 08:41 PM	#10
Warphead Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kiss my yankee dick. Posts: 994	This is fucked-up. I've long thought that virus paranoia is a scam. Sure virii are out there and reasonably harmful, but the software companies would have you think that by turning your system on you're at risk. Also anti-virus software is second only to games when it comes to sales. Of course, I've been accused of being a conspiracy-theory nut.

04-24-2001, 09:11 PM	#11
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Actually I would love another sweatshirt, one for my wife Candy... But Im trying to post more webmaster related topics now rather than just the traditional boneprone type posts.. But rumor has it DANK has been spotted and should make an appearance here soon!!

04-24-2001, 09:13 PM	#12
Doctor Dre Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 51,692	Old dialers should be considered as a virus ... If you delete it, its re-installing on your desktop 5 mins later ... Its also going on startup . My friend were stocked with over 15 on his desktop since like one year lol ! When I saw this I found a patch on astalavista to remove them . Thats the only way . So why It shouldn't be considered as a virus ?

04-24-2001, 10:30 PM	#13
pet Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 104	. [This message has been edited by pet (edited 07-08-2001).]

04-24-2001, 10:48 PM	#14
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	Dsl dialers are in the process but its very difficult..Can you imagine the bandwith.. Average ejaculation time for a surfer is like 9 minutes... The bandwith would kill you.... I dont think dsl dialers will come...

04-24-2001, 11:28 PM	#15
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	my avarage ejac time is about 5 mins.. I guess I wouldnt make a good dialer customer.

04-25-2001, 01:01 AM	#16
Pete Dogg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 204	Can dialers count by the second?

04-25-2001, 02:23 AM	#17
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	they do.

04-25-2001, 06:36 AM	#19
Crutch Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 224	Great post and good info Brother Bone... Had no idea about this shit. Interesting. Thanks BB

04-25-2001, 01:46 PM	#21
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	We consulted with Doctors.. Ejulactorlists here at OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University) provided us with the information.

04-25-2001, 02:50 PM	#22
sairanx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Europe / the Netherlands Posts: 125	let the dailers be virusus !!! dailers are crap and they are ruining the reputation of the porn bizz and we all know that this reputation is already crappy. i hope that they will all be banned!

04-25-2001, 03:29 PM	#23
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	why? I think shitty annoying pop-ups and the sites that use them are bringing the industry down. Not clean well put togehter sites promoting the dialer.. Most people wont surf pron because they are scared they will get stuck in a bombardment of popups they cant get out of, not of dialers..

04-25-2001, 11:07 PM	#25
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I wonder what niteline's stand on this virus issue is?

04-25-2001, 11:37 PM	#26
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	boneprone you cant blame everything on us cj people

04-25-2001, 11:39 PM	#27
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I never did blame anything on a cj person? What do you mean? Im talking about poor;y made sites that cant make $$, so they resort to endless amounts of popup windows that get you stuck.. Are you one of them?

04-25-2001, 11:43 PM	#28
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Im a defender of dialers, arent you a broker? Im on your side bro!

04-26-2001, 09:04 AM	#29
Bexman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cologne, germany Posts: 105	Some Dialers which reinstall themselves everytime you kick it should be considered as viruses!! I know that some Dialers connect without the users permission (a friend of mine who was away for a weekend got a bill about 900 DM (~ 500 $)) His pc had to remain on for ripping DVDs to DivX. There surely was no one on the pc and so the dialer has to dialed up itself. Kick this silly shit -- they're like fuckin' viruses !!

04-26-2001, 02:10 PM	#30
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	thats what I tell my wife when she see the phone bill also. "I didnt do it, it must be a virus and connected all by itself!"

05-04-2001, 04:21 PM	#31
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Im wondering if the dialers that got replaced last night in that scare were the ones being scanned as viruses? I think they were.