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bluff 07-25-2004 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by grumpy
25 canadian at the airport. Get a descent rolex :-)
"Decent!"

you know what descend means don't you?

Nismo 07-25-2004 10:51 AM

Some of you guys are idiots.

Some watches (like Timex) are just assembled by a machine and hundreds could be made within an hour. Rolex and other "High-end" watches are all carefully hand assembled by watchmakers that are certified and pretty much every single part of the watch (like a single gear) usually goes through 20~40 steps to finish (cut, drilled, milled, polished, etc...). There's also the materials cost too, many highend watches use precious metals for the casing and in some cases, even in the movement. These kind of things do not come cheap. I think when Rolex sells a watch for $12,000, it is well worth it. You also have to remember that the value of these watches rarely gets deprciated. You'll most likely get a decent amount of money back for the watch if you sell it a couple of years down the road and in some cases, you'll get more than what you paid for giving you a bit of profit.

dready 07-25-2004 10:53 AM

I wear a Seiko... the Kinetic Auto Relay is very nice. Seiko has always been known for quality. Haha, of course it's not $13K, LMAO!

http://www.seikousa.com/Product.aspx?productId=19

s9ann0 07-25-2004 10:54 AM

I got one like that out a christmas cracker you can have it for a fiver

2HousePlague 07-25-2004 10:55 AM

Sleazy,

Nevermind these neanderthals. A fine wristwatch is a thing of beauty, an engineering marvel and an investment. Go for it.

Blancpain, however, are a little delicate for my taste, and their design won't get you the admiring glances I know you crave from connoisseurs like me -- hehe. You have to get too close to notice what it is.

Check out IWC. They are generally regarded as the finest Swiss watch on earth. It's all engineering though, and craftsmanship. You're not going to pay for a part that doesn't need to be made of gold. I'm a total whore for nice watches. If it can wait till next weekend, I'd love to go shopping with you.

j-

KRL 07-25-2004 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
in your experience - what kind of a price drop is reasonable for a high end watch from list price? that store listed the watch at $16,500 plus taxes (about $19,000 canadian) and offered it to me for $13,500 taxes in and i didn't haggle that hard for that, i'm thinking i can get them down to $11 or $12K with a little work - is that right or can i expect them to move more than that on the price with some heavier haggeling?
Well I'm aggressive when it comes to haggling cause usually I'll do business with a company for a long time if they give me a good deal and I let them know that upfront.

The most I ever paid in terms of watches was for a Piaget that was tagged at $19,500. I went in when it was the worst season of the year so I knew the jeweler was going through his slow season and eager for a nice big sale. I spent a lot of time in his shop and then really worked him and then did a total take away and walked without buying. He called me the following day and offered me a deal if I bought the "hers" version of that Piaget too and he gave me right about a 1/3rd off his retail price which was a great deal.

A lot of people don't like haggling. I love it even on smaller items. I guess it comes from my years in the apparel business which is all hagglers. I just love the whole process of jewing people down on price and seeing how low I can get them to go.

:1orglaugh

acratophorum 07-25-2004 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
that's like a low end rolex - people look at it and go - why didn't you buy a rolex? cheapass

people look at a blancpain and don't know what the fuck you have and don't know what to think. I like that.

In that price range, you should look for a Breguet or Patek Philippe...Blancpain's have poor resell value. Whenever you purchase an expensive watch, you should always check what that exact or similar watch fetched on the auction block on sothevys, antiqaurium etc....(NOT ebay)...

For that price range, I would get a Breguet Marine with a gold bracelet...you can check it on eBay...:2 cents:

KRL 07-25-2004 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Nismo
Some of you guys are idiots.

Some watches (like Timex) are just assembled by a machine and hundreds could be made within an hour. Rolex and other "High-end" watches are all carefully hand assembled by watchmakers that are certified and pretty much every single part of the watch (like a single gear) usually goes through 20~40 steps to finish (cut, drilled, milled, polished, etc...). There's also the materials cost too, many highend watches use precious metals for the casing and in some cases, even in the movement. These kind of things do not come cheap. I think when Rolex sells a watch for $12,000, it is well worth it. You also have to remember that the value of these watches rarely gets deprciated. You'll most likely get a decent amount of money back for the watch if you sell it a couple of years down the road and in some cases, you'll get more than what you paid for giving you a bit of profit.

This is very true. It is idiotic when you really think about it to spend so much for telling the time, but if you look at it as a jewelry investment whose value will hold or sometimes appreciate, then you can better justify in your mind.

diesel 07-25-2004 10:59 AM

Rolex are not that high end as you think ..

Blancpain is very serious company and they have one watch which is the most expensive one in the world and cost 1.000.000 usd ..

Other high end companies are:

Patek Phillipe
A. Lange & Sohne
Vacheron Constantin

Donny 07-25-2004 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i like it cause it ISN'T a rolex. 99.9% of the population won't know what you have, and think it's a $50 watch.
So what would be the point in spending $12,000 on it if nobody knows you're a baller because you own one?

It won't tell time any better. The only reason to spend that kind of money on a watch is to show off. But if nobody knows, it defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

It's rather plain, IMHO.

Nismo 07-25-2004 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
This is very true. It is idiotic when you really think about it to spend so much for telling the time, but if you look at it as a jewelry investment whose value will hold or sometimes appreciate, then you can better justify in your mind.
Exactly :thumbsup although, alot of these guys that posted are content with an 85$ fossil and will continue to hate any watch that costs well out of their means, which is very laughable.

SleazyDream 07-25-2004 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by diz
Nice watch Sleazy but check out

Patek Phillipe .. Its a serious pleasure having those ..

http://www.patekphilippe.com/



P.S. Rolex sucks..

some very nice watches there - but i fell in love with the retrograde seconds on a plane simple watch - sooo cool to see the second hand spring back at 30 seconds

acratophorum 07-25-2004 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nismo
Some of you guys are idiots.

Some watches (like Timex) are just assembled by a machine and hundreds could be made within an hour. Rolex and other "High-end" watches are all carefully hand assembled by watchmakers that are certified and pretty much every single part of the watch (like a single gear) usually goes through 20~40 steps to finish (cut, drilled, milled, polished, etc...). There's also the materials cost too, many highend watches use precious metals for the casing and in some cases, even in the movement. These kind of things do not come cheap. I think when Rolex sells a watch for $12,000, it is well worth it. You also have to remember that the value of these watches rarely gets deprciated. You'll most likely get a decent amount of money back for the watch if you sell it a couple of years down the road and in some cases, you'll get more than what you paid for giving you a bit of profit.

The only Rolex that has a decent re-sell value, notwithstanding unique productions, are Rolex Submariner stainless steal...People collect these because they are reasonably cheap....If you keep a Rolex Submariner SS in good condition, at any given point you should be able to get about 90% of your money for it.

bluff 07-25-2004 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
This is very true. It is idiotic when you really think about it to spend so much for telling the time, but if you look at it as a jewelry investment whose value will hold or sometimes appreciate, then you can better justify in your mind.
Of course I know this isn't for telling the time.

Basic_man 07-25-2004 11:05 AM

ugly watch ! :D

Giorgio_Xo 07-25-2004 11:05 AM

The only OG watch is the Patek Phillipe Moon Phase watch. $50k

SleazyDream 07-25-2004 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nismo
Some of you guys are idiots.

Some watches (like Timex) are just assembled by a machine and hundreds could be made within an hour. Rolex and other "High-end" watches are all carefully hand assembled by watchmakers that are certified and pretty much every single part of the watch (like a single gear) usually goes through 20~40 steps to finish (cut, drilled, milled, polished, etc...). There's also the materials cost too, many highend watches use precious metals for the casing and in some cases, even in the movement. These kind of things do not come cheap. I think when Rolex sells a watch for $12,000, it is well worth it. You also have to remember that the value of these watches rarely gets deprciated. You'll most likely get a decent amount of money back for the watch if you sell it a couple of years down the road and in some cases, you'll get more than what you paid for giving you a bit of profit.


some of the lower end rolex watches are only a few grand

bluff 07-25-2004 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Nismo
Exactly :thumbsup although, alot of these guys that posted are content with an 85$ fossil and will continue to hate any watch that costs well out of their means, which is very laughable.
No it's not laughable, you are laughable. And to be honest, I don't even have a watch, because I hate to wear ANY kind of stuff that even comes close to jewelry

KRL 07-25-2004 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by diz
Rolex are not that high end as you think ..

Blancpain is very serious company and they have one watch which is the most expensive one in the world and cost 1.000.000 usd ..

Other high end companies are:

Patek Phillipe
A. Lange & Sohne
Vacheron Constantin

True, but Rolex's hold their value like crazy. So you can sell them when you move on to something else for a good number.

SleazyDream 07-25-2004 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Well I'm aggressive when it comes to haggling cause usually I'll do business with a company for a long time if they give me a good deal and I let them know that upfront.

The most I ever paid in terms of watches was for a Piaget that was tagged at $19,500. I went in when it was the worst season of the year so I knew the jeweler was going through his slow season and eager for a nice big sale. I spent a lot of time in his shop and then really worked him and then did a total take away and walked without buying. He called me the following day and offered me a deal if I bought the "hers" version of that Piaget too and he gave me right about a 1/3rd off his retail price which was a great deal.

A lot of people don't like haggling. I love it even on smaller items. I guess it comes from my years in the apparel business which is all hagglers. I just love the whole process of jewing people down on price and seeing how low I can get them to go.

:1orglaugh

i'm the same way - when with sweetums and PA, they were shocked at how quick i got the price down lol....i know they'll go lower and i think i'll get it for the $12K canadian range to be honest... if they do that i'll but it tomorrow ..if not i'll wait till i get to flordia or curracco.

SleazyDream 07-25-2004 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
So what would be the point in spending $12,000 on it if nobody knows you're a baller because you own one?

It won't tell time any better. The only reason to spend that kind of money on a watch is to show off. But if nobody knows, it defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

It's rather plain, IMHO.

never let them see you comming

bluff 07-25-2004 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i'm the same way - when with sweetums and PA, they were shocked at how quick i got the price down lol....i know they'll go lower and i think i'll get it for the $12K canadian range to be honest... if they do that i'll but it tomorrow ..if not i'll wait till i get to flordia or curracco.
you mean curacao?

AVM 07-25-2004 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
A lot of people don't like haggling. I love it even on smaller items.
Indeed, I am with you. The satisfaction of haggling is great. I do not care if it saves me "just the taxes". I enjoy it, especially the old "Well, a guy a few miles down has it priced at this amount, guess I'll go to him". Or when you do not get your ideal price, "the prompt walkout" technique - Awaiting the salesmen words; "Sir, sir, comeback. We can do that deal...if you pay cash". :1orglaugh

acratophorum 07-25-2004 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by diz
Rolex are not that high end as you think ..

Blancpain is very serious company and they have one watch which is the most expensive one in the world and cost 1.000.000 usd ..

Other high end companies are:

Patek Phillipe
A. Lange & Sohne
Vacheron Constantin

A Patek has sold for more then 11 million USD, but it was a pocket watch...

When you are looking at high-end watches, the metal the watches are made of doesn't really effect the price as much as the complications of the movement. For example, a Patek Philippe with a tourbillion and a minute repeater will sell for roughly 400K easy....

My Favorite watch in existence is the Patek Philippe ref. 5036 in rose gold...the is one of the most complicated watches (with a BRACELET, as opposed to a leather strap) that you can buy...Plus, it bears the name Patek Philippe which helps the watch sustain its value

diesel 07-25-2004 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
So what would be the point in spending $12,000 on it if nobody knows you're a baller because you own one?

It won't tell time any better. The only reason to spend that kind of money on a watch is to show off. But if nobody knows, it defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

It's rather plain, IMHO.

This is the point .. 99% wont know ..
But the ones you really want to impress will know it for sure ..
Why impress your neighbor ?.. But to impress some business parnter is something else ..

diesel 07-25-2004 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by acratophorum
A Patek has sold for more then 11 million USD, but it was a pocket watch...

When you are looking at high-end watches, the metal the watches are made of doesn't really effect the price as much as the complications of the movement. For example, a Patek Philippe with a tourbillion and a minute repeater will sell for roughly 400K easy....

My Favorite watch in existence is the Patek Philippe ref. 5036 in rose gold...the is one of the most complicated watches (with a BRACELET, as opposed to a leather strap) that you can buy...Plus, it bears the name Patek Philippe which helps the watch sustain its value

You have a good taste :)

KRL 07-25-2004 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by AVM
Indeed, I am with you. The satisfaction of haggling is great. I do not care if it saves me "just the taxes". I enjoy it, especially the old "Well, a guy a few miles down has it priced at this amount, guess I'll go to him". Or when you do not get your ideal price, "the prompt walkout" technique - Awaiting the salesmen words; "Sir, sir, comeback. We can do that deal...if you pay cash". :1orglaugh
:thumbsup :winkwink: :Graucho Indeed. Retailers eyes light up when they see the wad. Its rare these days and works well indeed.

acratophorum 07-25-2004 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
True, but Rolex's hold their value like crazy. So you can sell them when you move on to something else for a good number.
The only Rolex that Holds it's value are Stainless Steel Submariners, and maybe S/S daytona's cause they are just so damn hard to find at retail value...

You can easily go buy an 18k Rolex president for $5k used, or roughly 18-20K brand new...The first watch people buy when they come into money is Rolex...they are just so common that often supply exceeds realistic (people actually willing and capable to buy) demand...

acratophorum 07-25-2004 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by diz
You have a good taste :)
:thumbsup
Thanks Buddy, I love watches...real mechanical art!

brand0n 07-25-2004 11:19 AM

i love my rolex

Nismo 07-25-2004 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluff
No it's not laughable, you are laughable. And to be honest, I don't even have a watch, because I hate to wear ANY kind of stuff that even comes close to jewelry
Thank you. You proved my point.

You don't know me or my tastes in jewelry, or anything for that matter.

Guess what, I don't even wear a watch either.

gregtx 07-25-2004 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by acratophorum
The only Rolex that Holds it's value are Stainless Steel Submariners, and maybe S/S daytona's cause they are just so damn hard to find at retail value...

You can easily go buy an 18k Rolex president for $5k used, or roughly 18-20K brand new...The first watch people buy when they come into money is Rolex...they are just so common that often supply exceeds realistic (people actually willing and capable to buy) demand...

and you own or could afford how many???
:winkwink:



sleazy.. buy what you want... the value is what you make it.... if you are buying it as an heirloom.. it will always be priceless... ifyou are buying it to impress people you don't know... save your money... I can can see how a presidential is worth $xxK but I don't see how this watch could be worth that much in precious metals... sounds like it is priced more along the Louis Vuitton pricing scale.. vs true performance or workmanship :2 cents:

but you are correct... they have some great prices in Curacao... I almost bought my wife a matching rolex in Aruba last year after the Curacao show... but then decided to finish funding my kids college fund instead :thumbsup

Platinumpimp 07-25-2004 11:27 AM

Blancpain is very good quality for sure. :thumbsup

acratophorum 07-25-2004 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by gregtx
and you own or could afford how many???
:winkwink:

Not too many:winkwink:

Pornwolf 07-25-2004 11:32 AM

It's not true that no one will know what kind of watch it is. It all depends on the crowd you surround yourself with. People that like things of a certain class will definitely know what kind of watch it is and will appreciate it when they see it.

Sleazy isn't a young student. His pre-internet life was full of those people, if I'm not mistaken, so there will probably be plenty of people he associates with that will respect a good timepiece.

bluff 07-25-2004 11:41 AM

I doubt if people like Warren Buffet or Bill Gates wear watches like that. They don't need to impress. Buying this kind of stuff is often indicative of poor class. If you buy watches only because you love 'm, well, that's fine with me. I just want to warn you you're mistaken if you really think so.

cool1g 07-25-2004 11:43 AM

Sleazy - i'd say that 30% off retail is the kind of discount you should be looking at...and some dealers will sell it to you without sales tax if you pay all cash as well.

as to Rolexes...obviously they have great name recognition, but if you ask the experts they wouldn't rate them in the top 10 in terms of quality of their movements....

bluff 07-25-2004 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
It's not true that no one will know what kind of watch it is. It all depends on the crowd you surround yourself with. People that like things of a certain class will definitely know what kind of watch it is and will appreciate it when they see it.

Sleazy isn't a young student. His pre-internet life was full of those people, if I'm not mistaken, so there will probably be plenty of people he associates with that will respect a good timepiece.

what did Sleazy do before SD?

RP Fade 07-25-2004 11:44 AM

Sleazy..if you're in the market for a superior, classy, elegant yet low-key watch I suggest you also consider IWC and Audemars Piguet. Both are 2 of my favorite watchmakers..

BradM 07-25-2004 11:46 AM

I'd rather have a Timex kids watch. :2 cents:

KRL 07-25-2004 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluff
I doubt if people like Warren Buffet or Bill Gates wear watches like that. They don't need to impress. Buying this kind of stuff is often indicative of poor class. If you buy watches only because you love 'm, well, that's fine with me. I just want to warn you you're mistaken if you really think so.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Warren Buffett owns Borsheims and buys his watches there at discount.

http://shop.borsheims.com/Borsheims/...x?Dept=Watches

Bill Gates wears a cheap digital Fossil watch and also a Timex.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/i...tes-ces-lg.jpg

hershie 07-25-2004 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I just love the whole process of jewing people down on price and seeing how low I can get them to go.

:1orglaugh

What a stupid idiotic comment to make.

TaDoW 07-25-2004 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i like it cause it ISN'T a rolex. 99.9% of the population won't know what you have, and think it's a $50 watch.
I totally agree - that's exactly why I wouldn't ever buy a rolex.

bluff 07-25-2004 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Warren Buffett owns Borsheims and buys his watches there at discount.

http://shop.borsheims.com/Borsheims/...x?Dept=Watches

Bill Gates wears a cheap digital Fossil watch and also a Timex.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/i...tes-ces-lg.jpg

exactly! :winkwink:

btw did Bill want to show us the current time or does he always wear his watches the other way around lol :winkwink:

KRL 07-25-2004 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by hershie
What a stupid idiotic comment to make.
Why do you say that? You like paying retail?

Paying retail is for schmucks. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

detoxed 07-25-2004 11:57 AM

This thread really brought out the morons who really know nothing about people with money and how they act/think.

Keep buying your $40 wal-mart watches, we understand you buy what you can afford.

GTS Mark 07-25-2004 11:58 AM

Patek's are great watches, I would love to get one!

I would hold off until Curacao Scott and see if you can get a great deal down there? I remember Tanker getting a killer deal on a nice Movado in the airport. I believe the taxes down there are very minimal hence the low prices on watches and such.

DH

P.S. I like the Blancpain :thumbsup

KRL 07-25-2004 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by bluff
exactly! :winkwink:

btw did Bill want to show us the current time or does he always wear his watches the other way around lol :winkwink:

That's the new Fossil model with Microsoft's Smart Personal Objects Technology built in.

He wants Microsoft's SPOT to be the dominant operating system for smart watches and such in the future.

Wonder if it does Blue Screens when it crashes.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

bluff 07-25-2004 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
That's the new Fossil model with Microsoft's Smart Personal Objects Technology built in.

He wants Microsoft's SPOT to be the dominant operating system for smart watches and such in the future.

Wonder if it does Blue Screens when it crashes.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

hahaha that is incredible

bluff 07-25-2004 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
This thread really brought out the morons who really know nothing about people with money and how they act/think.

Keep buying your $40 wal-mart watches, we understand you buy what you can afford.

oh man, oh man, I'm not even going to explain reason to someone like you. Such posts prove what kind of person you really are.


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