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basschick · 07-24-2004, 04:30 PM

as a result of the 2257 regulation on secodary producers, it looks like we'll have to rent an office and pay someone to sit in it in case law enforcement wants to see i.d. what can i say - we like working at home.

does anyone want to split the cost of a small office and reception person?

this would be in the l.a. area.

detoxed · 07-24-2004, 04:32 PM

What requirements are there for the location they are stored? Could you pay an eskimo in Alaska to keep the information in their little hut? Thats what I would do

Jace · 07-24-2004, 04:33 PM

see, the problem with that is...if the other person in the office has records that are not done correctly, you go down for it

when they are in one office, they are counted as a joint business venture..so watch out

edit: there is a place in LA that does record keeping, I don't know who it is, but ask around

basschick · 07-24-2004, 04:37 PM

we used to store our records at a paralegal's office, but she left the state. i'd gladly use an attorney's office and rent a drawer if anyone knows of one.

erehwon · 07-24-2004, 05:09 PM

This really blows monkey balls.

AnalProbe · 07-24-2004, 05:17 PM

You can rent my trailer.

boobmaster · 07-24-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
as a result of the 2257 regulation on secodary producers, it looks like we'll have to rent an office and pay someone to sit in it in case law enforcement wants to see i.d. what can i say - we like working at home.

does anyone want to split the cost of a small office and reception person?

this would be in the l.a. area.

Just store them in your attic or basement. Why spend the extra $$. If they want to check, they can come to your house.

HairToStay · 07-24-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Just store them in your attic or basement. Why spend the extra $$. If they want to check, they can come to your house.

Because she would then have to list her home address on every single website.

MandyBlake · 07-24-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
as a result of the 2257 regulation on secodary producers, it looks like we'll have to rent an office and pay someone to sit in it in case law enforcement wants to see i.d. what can i say - we like working at home.

does anyone want to split the cost of a small office and reception person?

this would be in the l.a. area.

Why do you need a reception person?
In case law enforcement comes in and needs to see the records?
Then I'm assuming she would have to be named the custodian, since you would never be there. Then if the records aren't done correctly, your receptionist is gonna get fucked.
Why not get an office and go there to work since you'd be paying for it anyway? Then you can be your own custodian.

tony286 · 07-24-2004, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
we used to store our records at a paralegal's office, but she left the state. i'd gladly use an attorney's office and rent a drawer if anyone knows of one.

Your lawyer can not be custodian of records , it has to be a employee and the person that takes on that duty, has to continue to doing it for five yrs after the business closes.

Trixie · 07-24-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by MandyBlake
Why do you need a reception person?
In case law enforcement comes in and needs to see the records?
Then I'm assuming she would have to be named the custodian, since you would never be there. Then if the records aren't done correctly, your receptionist is gonna get fucked.
Why not get an office and go there to work since you'd be paying for it anyway? Then you can be your own custodian.

If someone would stalk her at her home, they would stalk her at her business.

tony286 · 07-24-2004, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Trixie
If someone would stalk her at her home, they would stalk her at her business.

Well if someone is really worried about that its time for a new line of work.

MandyBlake · 07-24-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Trixie
If someone would stalk her at her home, they would stalk her at her business.

This is true, but then at least they wouldn't know where she lived.

Trixie · 07-24-2004, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
Well if someone is really worried about that its time for a new line of work.

No, it's proof positive that the government needs to make and enforce laws to get rid of predators, not women running legitimate businesses.

Trixie · 07-24-2004, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by MandyBlake
This is true, but then at least they wouldn't know where she lived.

Well, unless she's driving in her secret ninja invisible car to and from the office, I think a stalker would go the extra mile to follow her home from work. Hence the term "stalker".

directfiesta · 07-24-2004, 06:54 PM

This sucks for you guys in the US.

I had at one time proposed that all records be filed, once the content is produced, directly with an agency of the government. An filing number and certificate could be issuied and available to the webmasters .This would releive of the burden of keeping records " five years after" and would also validate those actual records.

We have this here for videos distributed in stores. They review our contracts, check the content and issue a certificate. Store owners just have to check that the decal is on the tape when purchasing it...

MandyBlake · 07-24-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Trixie
No, it's proof positive that the government needs to make and enforce laws to get rid of predators, not women running legitimate businesses.

True...laws to get rid of predators would be a great thing.
The government isn't trying to get rid of women running legitimate businesses, it's trying to get rid of porn....or at least make it more difficult to be compliant.
Unfortunately, it doesn't see a woman or man who runs an adult site as a woman or man running a legitimate business.

biglou · 07-24-2004, 06:56 PM

Am I the only one who is both amazed and alarmed at how many people here understand how the new law works?

tony286 · 07-24-2004, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Trixie
No, it's proof positive that the government needs to make and enforce laws to get rid of predators, not women running legitimate businesses.

No Trixie thats the law its been the law for a while. Things are going to change, some will not be in the adult industry anymore. The same probably happened when they decided to run a bar you need a liquor license or to sell insurance you need a license. Probably a bunch of people went out of business for various reasons the same will happen now. The days of hiding are coming to a end. Am I happy no but its been too easy to get into the adult online business its breed alot of recklessness that has to change.

MandyBlake · 07-24-2004, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Trixie
Well, unless she's driving in her secret ninja invisible car to and from the office, I think a stalker would go the extra mile to follow her home from work. Hence the term "stalker".

There are stalkers for people in every walk of life.
It's a risk a person takes, being in the "public" eye.
It sucks, but there's no way around it.

tony286 · 07-24-2004, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by biglou
Am I the only one who is both amazed and alarmed at how many people here understand how the new law works?

I got in my car drove 8 hours and spent the day with my lawyer in Tampa.

Trixie · 07-24-2004, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
No Trixie thats the law its been the law for a while. Things are going to change, some will not be in the adult industry anymore. The same probably happened when they decided to run a bar you need a liquor license or to sell insurance you need a license. Probably a bunch of people went out of business for various reasons the same will happen now. The days of hiding are coming to a end. Am I happy no but its been too easy to get into the adult online business its breed alot of recklessness that has to change.

Thanks Tony -- I know what the law has required for a while now and have disagreed with it from the get-go, but obviously with the proposed changes there is an intention to crack down even further on a law that has, thus far, not been enforced.

As a feminist and pro-sex worker I obviously come from a totally different perspective than some people here, including you. Women get killed for being sex workers. Between two murderers in the pacific northwest where I live, over 100 prostitutes were killed. Name another type of businessperson who has been targeted on this level by serial killers. The green river killer did not murder insurance agents.

Running an adult website is a far cry from streetwalking, but the hate directed towards ANY woman who capitalizes on her sexuality is the same. It sucks to be victimized both by the misogynists AND by the government that claims to protect us.

When you say that "some people will leave the industry" it will wind up being genuine amateurs who work from home, share genuine sexuality with their fan base, and are not willing to jeopardize their families to comply with a tightening of the screws that put our lives in jeopardy.

Trixie · 07-24-2004, 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by MandyBlake
There are stalkers for people in every walk of life.
It's a risk a person takes, being in the "public" eye.
It sucks, but there's no way around it.

See my post to Tony. If you don't recognize that women in the sex industry are at a greater risk you've got your head up your ass. And yes, there IS a way around it -- and the first step is recognizing the problem(s). They're called MISOGYNY, COMPLACENCY, and IGNORANCE.

MandyBlake · 07-24-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Trixie
See my post to Tony. If you don't recognize that women in the sex industry are at a greater risk you've got your head up your ass. And yes, there IS a way around it -- and the first step is recognizing the problem(s). They're called MISOGYNY, COMPLACENCY, and IGNORANCE.

I didn't say anything about women in the sex industry being at less risk.
I said that being in the "public" eye enhances the risk to be stalked.

tony286 · 07-24-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Trixie
Thanks Tony -- I know what the law has required for a while now and have disagreed with it from the get-go, but obviously with the proposed changes there is an intention to crack down even further on a law that has, thus far, not been enforced.

As a feminist and pro-sex worker I obviously come from a totally different perspective than some people here, including you. Women get killed for being sex workers. Between two murderers in the pacific northwest where I live, over 100 prostitutes were killed. Name another type of businessperson who has been targeted on this level by serial killers. The green river killer did not murder insurance agents.

Running an adult website is a far cry from streetwalking, but the hate directed towards ANY woman who capitalizes on her sexuality is the same. It sucks to be victimized both by the misogynists AND by the government that claims to protect us.

When you say that "some people will leave the industry" it will wind up being genuine amateurs who work from home, share genuine sexuality with their fan base, and are not willing to jeopardize their families to comply with a tightening of the screws that put our lives in jeopardy.

Being a street walker is not having your own website. I think also everyone has a feeling too much self importance .Thinking groups of stalkers will be out to get you, let me tell you sometime if some stalker wanted to find you you would been found. Danni Ash goes to her office every day its on her site and she is fine. I have a friend she is wild , has parties and invites people she doesnt know off of yahoo groups . She has been doing them for over a year and nothing has happened. You go to internext ? how do you know stalkers arent there, they screen no one
Things are changing it has nothing to do with a hate for woman. They are doing for a love Jesus in their minds.

crockett · 07-24-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
What requirements are there for the location they are stored? Could you pay an eskimo in Alaska to keep the information in their little hut? Thats what I would do

when our company was audited by the IRS that basically what we did.. We had the files stored in a nice hot warehouse, in FL mid summer. The lovely IRS goons showed up in suits and ties and had to do their audit in 90%+ weather. Needless to say the audit didn't last too long

I don't see why you would have to have a person full time to sit in an office. Store them in a warehouse that is accessible from 9-5 and preferably one at an uncomfortable location... nothing illegal about that.

07-24-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by crockett
when our company was audited by the IRS that basically what we did.. We had the files stored in a nice hot warehouse, in FL mid summer. The lovely IRS goons showed up in suits and ties and had to do their audit in 90%+ weather. Needless to say the audit didn't last too long

I don't see why you would have to have a person full time to sit in an office. Store them in a warehouse that is accessible from 9-5 and preferably one at an uncomfortable location... nothing illegal about that.

How about a storage room?

Elli · 07-24-2004, 10:53 PM

I think some people need to read the regulations again. It clearly states that the records must be kept AT THE PLACE OF BUSINESS, so the government can knock on your door any day during normal business hours and get immediate access.

Trixie, I totally agree with you there. It's highly unfortunate, but I can see it happening already. The startup costs are getting higher, and the people who truly used to post for fun (without having personal websites) on VoyeurWeb/newsgroups/yahoo groups are fewer and farther between.

As for stalking, one woman on Dreamnet put on her site that she lived in a different city than the actual one. Imagine her surprise when she got a call to her private line at work from a fan who wanted to meet her for lunch! She went through quite the wringer over that, but luckily nothing dangerous happened to her. So yes, it CAN happen to anybody.

Elli · 07-24-2004, 10:56 PM

The letter of the law:

§ 75.4 Location of records.

Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make such records available at the producer?s place of business. Each record shall be maintained for seven years from the date of creation or last amendment or addition. If the producer ceases to carry on the business, the records shall be maintained for five years thereafter. If the producer produces the book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other matter (including but not limited to Internet computer site or services) as part of his control of or through his employment with an organization, records shall be made available at the organization?s place of business. If the organization is dissolved, the individual who was responsible for maintaining the records on behalf of the organization, as described in § 75.6(b), shall continue to maintain the records for a period of five years after dissolution.

baddog · 07-24-2004, 11:42 PM

maybe I should open a new business since I never go anywhere anyhow

thekebie · 07-24-2004, 11:44 PM

If anyone opens an office in Vancouver I want the job as the guy who sits in it.

Although it makes no sense to open one in Vancouver cause it is a US law.

basschick · 07-25-2004, 12:29 AM

not only does it have to be your place of business, but according to a couple of attorneys, the new regulations include holidays, so this means you have to have your place of business open mon - fri 8 am - 6 pm including new years, christmas, earthquakes, floods, blackouts...

i'm not actually worried about stalkers - i'm worried about the part that says mon through fri 8 am - 6 pm. those are not my regular sleeping hours, and when would i do my banking and errands? someone besides me has to be available to man that office during the hours i'm doing something else!

tony286 · 07-25-2004, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by basschick
not only does it have to be your place of business, but according to a couple of attorneys, the new regulations include holidays, so this means you have to have your place of business open mon - fri 8 am - 6 pm including new years, christmas, earthquakes, floods, blackouts...

i'm not actually worried about stalkers - i'm worried about the part that says mon through fri 8 am - 6 pm. those are not my regular sleeping hours, and when would i do my banking and errands? someone besides me has to be available to man that office during the hours i'm doing something else!

I just came back from Tampa to see my lawyer he is a first amend guy, it doesnt mean someone has to be stationed there . It has to be the place the checks come to your primary place of business. Hoildays are not regular business hours and its not against the law to leave your office. They show up you are at lunch they cant arrest you for that. It also says For the purpose of this part, ??normal business hours?? are from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., local time, and any other time during which the producer is actually conducting business relating to producing depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct. So that means they can show up anytime they want in theory. We are getting a office and we tend to work nights I am not changing that. IF they want to reach you they will trust me.

Let me share with you a little story. We had a site with this chick whose husband was a marine, they lived on base. I recommended to her be quiet about it so she doesnt get harassed.
One night my wife and I get home , there is a voicemail its a sunday night. The message says its LT someone chief Security officer for the US Marine Corp please call me back in regards to this site. I m freaking out, the phone he called on is unlisted and no where online. It was a number the model didnt have. I called and he wanted make sure her site wasnt on government servers because so many marines were looking at it. So if they want to contact you or find you they can.

MandyBlake · 07-25-2004, 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by Elli
I think some people need to read the regulations again. It clearly states that the records must be kept AT THE PLACE OF BUSINESS, so the government can knock on your door any day during normal business hours and get immediate access.

Trixie, I totally agree with you there. It's highly unfortunate, but I can see it happening already. The startup costs are getting higher, and the people who truly used to post for fun (without having personal websites) on VoyeurWeb/newsgroups/yahoo groups are fewer and farther between.

As for stalking, one woman on Dreamnet put on her site that she lived in a different city than the actual one. Imagine her surprise when she got a call to her private line at work from a fan who wanted to meet her for lunch! She went through quite the wringer over that, but luckily nothing dangerous happened to her. So yes, it CAN happen to anybody.

Exactly!
Thanks Elli!

Trixie · 07-25-2004, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by tony404
Being a street walker is not having your own website. I think also everyone has a feeling too much self importance .Thinking groups of stalkers will be out to get you, let me tell you sometime if some stalker wanted to find you you would been found. Danni Ash goes to her office every day its on her site and she is fine. I have a friend she is wild , has parties and invites people she doesnt know off of yahoo groups . She has been doing them for over a year and nothing has happened. You go to internext ? how do you know stalkers arent there, they screen no one
Things are changing it has nothing to do with a hate for woman. They are doing for a love Jesus in their minds.

Your way of thinking is exactly part of the problem: "why would anyone want to stalk YOU? You sure think highly of yourself, don't you, you stupid self-important hahahaha!" Way to go, Tony.

Being targeted by a stalker isn't a compliment and being cautious about one's safety as a woman isn't deluded or paranoid.

Yes, I go to internext. But I don't post on my website which hotel and room # I'm in while there. That's also a stupid comparison for the simple fact that even a stalker has a clue that there will be a huge crowd at a CONVENTION. The same cannot be said of my home or office.

I have met fans, I am in no way overly paranoid, and I do recognize that it's possible to go through life as a woman and even as a woman in the sex industry without being stalked and/or killed for it. That doesn't mean it's far-fetched or that we should post a fucking invitation in the form of an address on our websites.

tony286 · 07-25-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Trixie
Your way of thinking is exactly part of the problem: "why would anyone want to stalk YOU? You sure think highly of yourself, don't you, you stupid self-important hahahaha!" Way to go, Tony.

Being targeted by a stalker isn't a compliment and being cautious about one's safety as a woman isn't deluded or paranoid.

Yes, I go to internext. But I don't post on my website which hotel and room # I'm in while there. That's also a stupid comparison for the simple fact that even a stalker has a clue that there will be a huge crowd at a CONVENTION. The same cannot be said of my home or office.

I have met fans, I am in no way overly paranoid, and I do recognize that it's possible to go through life as a woman and even as a woman in the sex industry without being stalked and/or killed for it. That doesn't mean it's far-fetched or that we should post a fucking invitation in the form of an address on our websites.

Once again Danni Ashe has her office address on her site for custodian of records. You dont hear about Danni getting attacked. This law this isnt focused at women because most of people that will go to jail for this are men.

Also dont put words in my mouth I didnt say anyone was stupid. It is self import ant like you think so many people are focusing on you, that of course you will be a target of stalking. You could also get struck by lightning do you not go out or raped you could get raped by a plain old rapist who is not fan do you sit in the house and not go anywhere or much greater chance of being killed in a car accident . Do you not drive?

If a stalker wants to find you , you would be found. whether your address was up there or not. Also there are signs way before it comes to that point.

Jace · 07-25-2004, 08:36 AM

enough of this danni ashe shit tony..seriously..we have shot at her place about 8 times, and YES people come down there from reading that address in various places...they may not be stalkers, but have you chatted with danni about guys like that? while we were there at least 4 people came at once to get autographs, one guy had driven for 2 hours to stand out front of the office

when you talk to danni and you get it from her first hand HOW, not WHEN, she has handled that, you get back to us...

enough with that arguement, i can guarantee it has already happened and I would almost bet she has plenty of restraining orders

Jace · 07-25-2004, 08:38 AM

oh, and luckily danni has million dollar security...you can't even get into the doors to the building without being seen by 4 cameras...then if you get past that, there are another set of doors you have to get buzzed through....

most girls can't afford million dollar security or huge bodyguards

Trixie · 07-25-2004, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by tony404
Once again Danni Ashe has her office address on her site for custodian of records. You dont hear about Danni getting attacked. This law this isnt focused at women because most of people that will go to jail for this are men.

Also dont put words in my mouth I didnt say anyone was stupid. It is self import ant like you think so many people are focusing on you, that of course you will be a target of stalking. You could also get struck by lightning do you not go out or raped you could get raped by a plain old rapist who is not fan do you sit in the house and not go anywhere or much greater chance of being killed in a car accident . Do you not drive?

If a stalker wants to find you , you would be found. whether your address was up there or not. Also there are signs way before it comes to that point.

I did not say "of course I will be a target of stalking" -- In fact I acknowledged that it's entirely possible to go through life without that happening and I myself have met fans and hope to meet more. Your anecdotes about danni and the wild girl who does parties prove nothing -- you can only be murdered once, you do realize that don't you?

When I do drive, I wear a seat belt. I consider protecting my personal information akin to wearing a seat belt.

You're absolutely right that a dedicated person would find us if they really really wanted to, and you're also right that there would probably be lots of warning which is why I don't worry about it too much. Publishing your address on your personal porn site doesn't leave much room for warning though.

tony286 · 07-25-2004, 08:46 AM

I am tried of fighting because this is the lawnot my opinion. Trixie even though you are mean I would never want anything to happen to you or any girl who does this. This is the law unless the big guns step up to fight , we are fucked maybe thats what corporate porn wants alot less competition. Things changes I heard when cars started to come out there were like 400 car companies in america now there are four. I think in the future doing porn from home will not be. Like others businesss there will be a higher cost to get in the game.

crockett · 07-25-2004, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by Elli
The letter of the law:

§ 75.4 Location of records.

Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make such records available at the producer?s place of business. Each record shall be maintained for seven years from the date of creation or last amendment or addition. If the producer ceases to carry on the business, the records shall be maintained for five years thereafter. If the producer produces the book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other matter (including but not limited to Internet computer site or services) as part of his control of or through his employment with an organization, records shall be made available at the organization?s place of business. If the organization is dissolved, the individual who was responsible for maintaining the records on behalf of the organization, as described in § 75.6(b), shall continue to maintain the records for a period of five years after dissolution.

Elli as posted before, this still doesn't mean you have to have the office staffed. You can simply pull a business license from a storage/ warehouse location and use that address for your whois info. You can call it your main office or what ever.. But there are legal ways to get around it..

The law doesn't state you have to have a staffed, carpeted air conditioned office. It simply stats at your place of business. If you make the storage location your place of business it would be legal.

But really how many records do you really have? You can fit a lot of crap in a few file cabinets. You can't just throw a few file cabinets in your garage or somewhere around the house?

TheSaint · 07-25-2004, 08:54 AM

Just a reminder anyway that doing business from your home is not a good idea at all if you own it, when the 49 agents come through your door at 9:00 Am someday they will seize the home too and sell it.

I opened an office a while back and made sure that its the primary and only place of business. Sure pain in the ass but with real estate prices today its the only way to be sure Ashfuck doesn't wind up with it.

Trixie · 07-25-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by tony404
I am tried of fighting because this is the lawnot my opinion. Trixie even though you are mean I would never want anything to happen to you or any girl who does this. This is the law unless the big guns step up to fight , we are fucked maybe thats what corporate porn wants alot less competition. Things changes I heard when cars started to come out there were like 400 car companies in america now there are four. I think in the future doing porn from home will not be. Like others businesss there will be a higher cost to get in the game.

Okay I'm tired of fighting too. I'll go be "mean" to someone else now.

crockett · 07-25-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Trixie
Okay I'm tired of fighting too. I'll go be "mean" to someone else now.

Trixie I'll let you be mean to me anytime

Elli · 07-25-2004, 11:23 AM

Trixie, come be mean to me

basschick · 07-25-2004, 12:03 PM

trixie, i don't think you're mean. i was stalked for over two years -- it's terrifying because you never know when that person is out there or what he might do to you - or your family.

ellie - you DO have to do enough business in that office to be able to tell them it's your PRIMARY place of business.

so - people in l.a. area - here's the deal. we are still looking for someone to share office space with. you can see all our records first if we can see yours and that way, we can make sure everything is okay.

Elli · 07-25-2004, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by basschick

ellie - you DO have to do enough business in that office to be able to tell them it's your PRIMARY place of business.

Thank you! That's how I read it, too.

Trixie · 07-25-2004, 12:44 PM

Darn! All these offers and I already expended all my mean energy on my boyfriend!

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directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,680	This sucks for you guys in the US. I had at one time proposed that all records be filed, once the content is produced, directly with an agency of the government. An filing number and certificate could be issuied and available to the webmasters .This would releive of the burden of keeping records " five years after" and would also validate those actual records. We have this here for videos distributed in stores. They review our contracts, check the content and issue a certificate. Store owners just have to check that the decal is on the tape when purchasing it... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

07-24-2004, 10:53 PM	#28
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	I think some people need to read the regulations again. It clearly states that the records must be kept AT THE PLACE OF BUSINESS, so the government can knock on your door any day during normal business hours and get immediate access. Trixie, I totally agree with you there. It's highly unfortunate, but I can see it happening already. The startup costs are getting higher, and the people who truly used to post for fun (without having personal websites) on VoyeurWeb/newsgroups/yahoo groups are fewer and farther between. As for stalking, one woman on Dreamnet put on her site that she lived in a different city than the actual one. Imagine her surprise when she got a call to her private line at work from a fan who wanted to meet her for lunch! She went through quite the wringer over that, but luckily nothing dangerous happened to her. So yes, it CAN happen to anybody. __________________ email: [email protected]

07-24-2004, 04:32 PM	#2
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	What requirements are there for the location they are stored? Could you pay an eskimo in Alaska to keep the information in their little hut? Thats what I would do

07-24-2004, 04:33 PM	#3
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	see, the problem with that is...if the other person in the office has records that are not done correctly, you go down for it when they are in one office, they are counted as a joint business venture..so watch out edit: there is a place in LA that does record keeping, I don't know who it is, but ask around

07-24-2004, 05:17 PM	#6
AnalProbe pain in the Ass Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,727	You can rent my trailer.

07-24-2004, 06:56 PM	#18
biglou Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Granada Hills, CA Posts: 595	Am I the only one who is both amazed and alarmed at how many people here understand how the new law works?

07-24-2004, 10:56 PM	#29
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	The letter of the law: § 75.4 Location of records. Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make such records available at the producer?s place of business. Each record shall be maintained for seven years from the date of creation or last amendment or addition. If the producer ceases to carry on the business, the records shall be maintained for five years thereafter. If the producer produces the book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other matter (including but not limited to Internet computer site or services) as part of his control of or through his employment with an organization, records shall be made available at the organization?s place of business. If the organization is dissolved, the individual who was responsible for maintaining the records on behalf of the organization, as described in § 75.6(b), shall continue to maintain the records for a period of five years after dissolution. __________________ email: [email protected]

07-24-2004, 11:42 PM	#30
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	maybe I should open a new business since I never go anywhere anyhow

07-24-2004, 11:44 PM	#31
thekebie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hood of Burquitlam, BC Posts: 1,046	If anyone opens an office in Vancouver I want the job as the guy who sits in it. Although it makes no sense to open one in Vancouver cause it is a US law.

07-25-2004, 12:29 AM	#32
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	not only does it have to be your place of business, but according to a couple of attorneys, the new regulations include holidays, so this means you have to have your place of business open mon - fri 8 am - 6 pm including new years, christmas, earthquakes, floods, blackouts... i'm not actually worried about stalkers - i'm worried about the part that says mon through fri 8 am - 6 pm. those are not my regular sleeping hours, and when would i do my banking and errands? someone besides me has to be available to man that office during the hours i'm doing something else! __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

07-25-2004, 08:36 AM	#37
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	enough of this danni ashe shit tony..seriously..we have shot at her place about 8 times, and YES people come down there from reading that address in various places...they may not be stalkers, but have you chatted with danni about guys like that? while we were there at least 4 people came at once to get autographs, one guy had driven for 2 hours to stand out front of the office when you talk to danni and you get it from her first hand HOW, not WHEN, she has handled that, you get back to us... enough with that arguement, i can guarantee it has already happened and I would almost bet she has plenty of restraining orders

07-25-2004, 08:38 AM	#38
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	oh, and luckily danni has million dollar security...you can't even get into the doors to the building without being seen by 4 cameras...then if you get past that, there are another set of doors you have to get buzzed through.... most girls can't afford million dollar security or huge bodyguards

07-25-2004, 08:46 AM	#40
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I am tried of fighting because this is the lawnot my opinion. Trixie even though you are mean I would never want anything to happen to you or any girl who does this. This is the law unless the big guns step up to fight , we are fucked maybe thats what corporate porn wants alot less competition. Things changes I heard when cars started to come out there were like 400 car companies in america now there are four. I think in the future doing porn from home will not be. Like others businesss there will be a higher cost to get in the game.

07-25-2004, 08:54 AM	#42
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	Just a reminder anyway that doing business from your home is not a good idea at all if you own it, when the 49 agents come through your door at 9:00 Am someday they will seize the home too and sell it. I opened an office a while back and made sure that its the primary and only place of business. Sure pain in the ass but with real estate prices today its the only way to be sure Ashfuck doesn't wind up with it. __________________ I have no signature

07-25-2004, 11:23 AM	#45
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Trixie, come be mean to me __________________ email: [email protected]

07-25-2004, 12:03 PM	#46
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	trixie, i don't think you're mean. i was stalked for over two years -- it's terrifying because you never know when that person is out there or what he might do to you - or your family. ellie - you DO have to do enough business in that office to be able to tell them it's your PRIMARY place of business. so - people in l.a. area - here's the deal. we are still looking for someone to share office space with. you can see all our records first if we can see yours and that way, we can make sure everything is okay. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

07-25-2004, 12:44 PM	#48
Trixie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: near Seattle, WA Posts: 1,850	Darn! All these offers and I already expended all my mean energy on my boyfriend! __________________ WebWhoreBucks: Girls, a guy and a tranny -- unique indie porn!