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MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:23 AM

Okay so I hired this guy to work with me on search engines...but I realized I will have no clue if he's actually working. I mean obviously if my site starts getting more traffic...then I'd know....but in the meantime how I do I know he's doing anything?

I already paid him half the money up front and I told him when I see SOME results I'll pay the other half of the money. Now he could have just taken my money and run...who knows.

The price I paid him is 350.00 total and half now...I told him once I start seeing some results then I will pay him 500.00 monthly to keep me on top. I dunno if I was being hasty with this guy...I'm a lil worried now, but I don't know if I should be.

Any SE experts out there know what I should be looking for? And if this guy doesn't get me any results are their any reputable people who do this?

Thanks,
Shannon

WiredGuy · 07-23-2004, 10:30 AM

You paid $350 total to hire an SEO? What did this SE guy say he'll do for you for that little money??

WG

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
You paid $350 total to hire an SEO? What did this SE guy say he'll do for you for that little money??

WG

Hmm =(

He said he'd get me to the top of search engines, he gave me one site as a reference....but I didn't call them. I'm too trusting...and a lil gulible thrown in.

I dunno what to do now

kush · 07-23-2004, 10:33 AM

If you can tell us what exactly your SEO person is doing for you, then I can offer some advice (in this thread only please

)

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
You paid $350 total to hire an SEO? What did this SE guy say he'll do for you for that little money??

WG

Well plus it's ongoing...that was the original price, to get started and then as long as the results are good, then 500.00 monthly to maintain the position.

I'm retarded eh?

baddog · 07-23-2004, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
You paid $350 total to hire an SEO? What did this SE guy say he'll do for you for that little money??

WG

exactly

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kush
If you can tell us what exactly your SEO person is doing for you, then I can offer some advice (in this thread only please )

that's the problem. I don't KNOW what they do. I know the ultimate goal is to get me on the first page of all the major search engines. I guess I can just call the company he gave me as a reference and see what they say about him...if he was telling the truth. Perhaps I got scammed

BradM · 07-23-2004, 10:35 AM

You got taken.

Now go and find a decent SEO and pay the price.

baddog · 07-23-2004, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Well plus it's ongoing...that was the original price, to get started and then as long as the results are good, then 500.00 monthly to maintain the position.

I'm retarded eh?

well, you get what you pay for, and I don't know of any SEO pros that work that cheap . . . but for that money, you can't really expect a pro . . . so perhaps you are getting a good value if he does anything at all

has he made any changes to your site at all? Meta tags, site map, anchor text?

Crypt · 07-23-2004, 10:39 AM

SEO for 350$?

haha

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
You got taken.

Now go and find a decent SEO and pay the price.

Any idea what the prices are? ANd where do you look for that. You're right I did get taken and I feel like a fucking asshole!!! I guess I can charge back via paypal eh?

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
well, you get what you pay for, and I don't know of any SEO pros that work that cheap . . . but for that money, you can't really expect a pro . . . so perhaps you are getting a good value if he does anything at all

has he made any changes to your site at all? Meta tags, site map, anchor text?

But I had no idea what the "going" price was for someone to do this. so I don't know if was cheap or expensive. I've never looked into it. I just know my PPC traffic is dropping and I'm not trying to do that anymore.

BradM · 07-23-2004, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Any idea what the prices are? ANd where do you look for that. You're right I did get taken and I feel like a fucking asshole!!! I guess I can charge back via paypal eh?

www.seocentral.com

These guys actually know what they are doing, and have a really cool "lease" program.

I strongly suggest checking them out.

baddog · 07-23-2004, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Any idea what the prices are? ANd where do you look for that. You're right I did get taken and I feel like a fucking asshole!!! I guess I can charge back via paypal eh?

check out AdultSEM.com - they will give you a free site evaluation

swami · 07-23-2004, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Hmm =(

I'm too trusting...and a lil gulible thrown in.

I dunno what to do now

Send me $2000 and I will help you.

I know Nitechatdottv was advertising his wares for $350..
Why don't you contact your seo and ask him what he is doing.

If you put the name of your site up here I will give you a $350 appraisal for nothing.

baddog · 07-23-2004, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
But I had no idea what the "going" price was for someone to do this. so I don't know if was cheap or expensive. I've never looked into it. I just know my PPC traffic is dropping and I'm not trying to do that anymore.

there is nothing wrong with PPC traffic

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
there is nothing wrong with PPC traffic

No, there is not. However, I feel like I am still paying the same amount but getting less. I questioned them about this and it was just a big run around so I don't wanna spend 1500.00 a month with them anymore. I figure if I can just work the engines, that will be better in the long run.

I'm so mad about this right now

WiredGuy · 07-23-2004, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
that's the problem. I don't KNOW what they do. I know the ultimate goal is to get me on the first page of all the major search engines. I guess I can just call the company he gave me as a reference and see what they say about him...if he was telling the truth. Perhaps I got scammed

If you don't know what you hired him to do, you were taken long before you sent the money. I'm sorry to say, best option is to not pay them anymore until you see some kind of results. Ask him what he plans on doing and give him a few weeks to see some kind of results.

WG

EscortBiz · 07-23-2004, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Hmm =(

He said he'd get me to the top of search engines, he gave me one site as a reference....but I didn't call them. I'm too trusting...and a lil gulible thrown in.

I dunno what to do now

very gulible

Crypt · 07-23-2004, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Any idea what the prices are? ANd where do you look for that. You're right I did get taken and I feel like a fucking asshole!!! I guess I can charge back via paypal eh?

MakeMeGrrrrowl ,

Its easy, if the SEO is REALLY good in SE game, he dont work for other ppl or do seminars.

You have 2 choice in SEO game. Ill give you 2 diff samples.

Type 1 : Wireguy

Do his shit alone, and dont talk to much. Get the more info , study alot , and dont talk to much on SEO secrets. Work for himself.

Type 2 : SEguru :

A suposed SEO , but in fact more a good marketing guy who fuck n00b in SE seminars with his refererbomb php script for sale to get high page rank.. lol , if the SEO talk to much, dont hire it.

Yes, i sugest you to charge back via paypal if you see nothing

What was the domain name he worked for?

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
If you don't know what you hired him to do, you were taken long before you sent the money. I'm sorry to say, best option is to not pay them anymore until you see some kind of results. Ask him what he plans on doing and give him a few weeks to see some kind of results.

WG

Well here's the problem I just went to check out his "reference" and it's HIS site!!! So now I'm even more angry. This is what happens when I do things in a hurry...I should have researched and I really feel like a complete fucktard. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

gornyhuy · 07-23-2004, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Well here's the problem I just went to check out his "reference" and it's HIS site!!! So now I'm even more angry. This is what happens when I do things in a hurry...I should have researched and I really feel like a complete fucktard. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Chargeback + send a stern lawyer letter for false advertising!???

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
www.seocentral.com

These guys actually know what they are doing, and have a really cool "lease" program.

I strongly suggest checking them out.

Thank you very much! = )

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
very gulible

Well WTF you're never around anymore =(

Oh...Ima be in NY in a few weeks...still VIP at scores?

WiredGuy · 07-23-2004, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
MakeMeGrrrrowl ,

Its easy, if the SEO is REALLY good in SE game, he dont work for other ppl or do seminars.

Type 1 : Wireguy

Do his shit alone, and dont talk to much. Get the more info , study alot , and dont talk to much on SEO secrets. Work for himself.

Thanks for the nice words

WG

swami · 07-23-2004, 11:23 AM

If its for the site in your sig then $350 wont do shit man.The type of site you are trying to get search engine traffic for is very,very hard to do.Takes 12 months of hard work and planning.
For some reason everybody wants to copy Jays or Hoes and they haven't a clue what it entails.If you are new to the game of SEO start of with a smaller niche siteand use plenty of original text.Don't just fill it up with links.Stop chasing the "free porn" words and get some decent original pic content.Make it a site worth linking to and then find other related quality sites with minimun outbound links on it and trade links with them.If they wont trade with you because you have no pr then buy a couple of links to get some pr.With that $350 you could've had a pr5 for 2 months.
Then when you have done all that the hard work begins and then you hire a SEO like myself

for $200 hr to give you the edge over the thousands of others doing the same thing.

baddog · 07-23-2004, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
No, there is not. However, I feel like I am still paying the same amount but getting less. I questioned them about this and it was just a big run around so I don't wanna spend 1500.00 a month with them anymore. I figure if I can just work the engines, that will be better in the long run.

I'm so mad about this right now

there are certain factors you must consider with PPC:

1. The product
2. The SE
3. The search phrase
4. The cost per click

what might work with one SE could possibly have zero results with another

Crypt · 07-23-2004, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
If its for the site in your sig then $350 wont do shit man.The type of site you are trying to get search engine traffic for is very,very hard to do.Takes 12 months of hard work and planning.
For some reason everybody wants to copy Jays or Hoes and they haven't a clue what it entails.If you are new to the game of SEO start of with a smaller niche siteand use plenty of original text.Don't just fill it up with links.Stop chasing the "free porn" words and get some decent original pic content.Make it a site worth linking to and then find other related quality sites with minimun outbound links on it and trade links with them.If they wont trade with you because you have no pr then buy a couple of links to get some pr.With that $350 you could've had a pr5 for 2 months.
Then when you have done all that the hard work begins and then you hire a SEO like myself for $200 hr to give you the edge over the thousands of others doing the same thing.

True, lots of ppl try to copy jays now.. its funny

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
If its for the site in your sig then $350 wont do shit man.The type of site you are trying to get search engine traffic for is very,very hard to do.Takes 12 months of hard work and planning.
For some reason everybody wants to copy Jays or Hoes and they haven't a clue what it entails.If you are new to the game of SEO start of with a smaller niche siteand use plenty of original text.Don't just fill it up with links.Stop chasing the "free porn" words and get some decent original pic content.Make it a site worth linking to and then find other related quality sites with minimun outbound links on it and trade links with them.If they wont trade with you because you have no pr then buy a couple of links to get some pr.With that $350 you could've had a pr5 for 2 months.
Then when you have done all that the hard work begins and then you hire a SEO like myself for $200 hr to give you the edge over the thousands of others doing the same thing.

Oh it's not for the site in my sig...that's just a hobby kind of site. I'm getting traffic there, sad thing is there are only a few links...so I dunno?

It's for http://www.princessphonesex.com that's my main site. I have like 50 + domains but that's my main most important one.

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
there are certain factors you must consider with PPC:

1. The product
2. The SE
3. The search phrase
4. The cost per click

what might work with one SE could possibly have zero results with another

Well yeah I've been using findwhat and google adwords. Now I'm NOT knocking sex.com but as far as PPC it did nothing for me. Google and findwhat have done the best for me.

When I contacted findwhat to find out what's going on....she basically said we have no control over where our affiliates place you on their site. Cause I was bidding 14 cents on a keyword/phrase and other sites were ahead of me...at 14 cents...my site was not even showing on the first page of some of the major affiliate sites. So they said well you're number one on our site, and I'm like what good is it to be number one when I have NEVER had one visitor from your site come to mine. Anyway, big run around and now the affilates are not even listing me on the first page in some cases and my bids are still higher than people who are placed before me...doesn't make sense.

Crypt · 07-23-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Oh it's not for the site in my sig...that's just a hobby kind of site. I'm getting traffic there, sad thing is there are only a few links...so I dunno?

It's for http://www.princessphonesex.com that's my main site. I have like 50 + domains but that's my main most important one.

You have tons of design shit to do on this site if you want to get good rank on google ...

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
You have tons of design shit to do on this site if you want to get good rank on google ...

Elaborate?

Crypt · 07-23-2004, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Elaborate?

Structure, links and text content ;)

Nuff said ;)

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 11:56 AM

So bottom line is I got scammed. I checked out the sites that were sent in this message board and I e-mailed one of the companies...I have not fully read the other companies site.

So what can I realistically expect to pay when looking for someone? What questions do I ask? How do I know if they're doing what they say they're doing?

Money wouldn't be such an issue normally but at this point until results are definite, I still have to do the PPC and I can't afford the money I pay for PPC AND just about that same amount for a SE Expert. Eventually phasing out the ppc and raising the SE money is what I would need to do, but until then....I'm a lil stuck.

On top of getting scammed....SEVEN fucking charge backs today. This guy is going to get it when I get a hold of him.

All in all I'm down 450.00 today so far. I should just go back to bed!!!!

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 12:24 PM

I checked out SEOCentral and this is what I got.

Shannon,

Thank you for your interest in SEOcentral. Unfortunately at this time we are unable to meet your request.

Best Regards,

The SEOcentral Team.

All I asked for was information and gave the girl my URL and this is the letter I got??? WTF!

Jace · 07-23-2004, 12:32 PM

that site you showed needs way more SEO to get listed nicely...it is almost all graphics...get some text in there and something to make the search engines pick up on keywords

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
that site you showed needs way more SEO to get listed nicely...it is almost all graphics...get some text in there and something to make the search engines pick up on keywords

lol, I guess that's what I was trying to hire someone to do?

If I could just read and understand, I could do it my damn self, but for some fucked up reason my brain is all backwards and I can't actually learn something by reading...I actually have to do it and when you're not seeing results right away, I would have no idea if what i was doing was right or not, so I can see myself spending weeks doing something...no results only to find out I was doing it all wrong.

Sama · 07-23-2004, 12:49 PM

MakeMeGrrrrowl,
I was talking with a friend yesterday icq and it sounds like the same guy that scammed her. She paid him $300 via paypal - 1/2 down and the other half when the results are seen. Can you post the guys details? His board name, email etc...
It Might help some others out when he pulls his scam.

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sama
MakeMeGrrrrowl,
I was talking with a friend yesterday icq and it sounds like the same guy that scammed her. She paid him $300 via paypal - 1/2 down and the other half when the results are seen. Can you post the guys details? His board name, email etc...
It Might help some others out when he pulls his scam.

Well according to his paypal his name is Michael Shah. I know he lives in Florida and the site that he gave me as a reference was entertain123.com

[email protected]

E-mail addy.

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 01:23 PM

Okay so he got upset about the paypal dispute. =(

Anyway he talked to me in a message and I gave him 30 days for me to see results and he agrees to refund my money if there are no results in 30 days.

I dunno....I guess if he doesn't then I lost 175.00 (since I never gave him the other half) and learned a very valuable lesson.

slapass · 07-23-2004, 01:44 PM

Hire swami for one hour. he will do more for you in that hour then you can believe. I can do the same hit me up for $200 i will tell you enough to do it yourself. It is not rocket science.

icq REMOVED talk to Swami

Just a heads up but the $200 is up front. It won't take an hour of phone time to straigthen you out.

swami · 07-23-2004, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slapass
Hire swami for one hour. he will do more for you in that hour then you can believe. I can do the same hit me up for $200 i will tell you enough to do it yourself. It is not rocket science.

icq REMOVED talk to Swami

Just a heads up but the $200 is up front. It won't take an hour of phone time to straigthen you out.

Hey Slapass, you are being too kind man.

Are you after a free link or somethin' ?
Hook up with Slapass ,MakeMeGrrrrowl, he probably knows more than me.Like he said,Its not rocket science.

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 02:10 PM

lol...now I'm suspicious of everyone.

You say send me 200.00 and now I'm thinking scam. =(

Doctor Dre · 07-23-2004, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
that's the problem. I don't KNOW what they do. I know the ultimate goal is to get me on the first page of all the major search engines. I guess I can just call the company he gave me as a reference and see what they say about him...if he was telling the truth. Perhaps I got scammed

For wich keyword ?

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
For wich keyword ?

These were my main keywords

phone sex
phonesex
cheap phone sex

I'm sure it wont happen but he GUARANTEE'S a first page placement. I'm not still being gullible. If he does anything I will be surprised honestly, but again...lesson learned.

He's suppsoe to be working on my pages as we speak.

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
These were my main keywords

phone sex
phonesex
cheap phone sex

I'm sure it wont happen but he GUARANTEE'S a first page placement. I'm not still being gullible. If he does anything I will be surprised honestly, but again...lesson learned.

He's suppsoe to be working on my pages as we speak.

I did give him more keywords though...I just told him that they were in order of importance to me.

baddog · 07-23-2004, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
I checked out SEOCentral and this is what I got.

Shannon,

Thank you for your interest in SEOcentral. Unfortunately at this time we are unable to meet your request.

Best Regards,

The SEOcentral Team.

All I asked for was information and gave the girl my URL and this is the letter I got??? WTF!

honesty is the best policy . . . did you try http://www.adultsem.com/ and ask for the free evaluation? http://www.adultsem.com/freeevaluation.html

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 07-23-2004, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
honesty is the best policy . . . did you try http://www.adultsem.com/ and ask for the free evaluation? http://www.adultsem.com/freeevaluation.html

Yeah I filled out the form and it said they'd respond in the next 24 hours.

We'll see.

baddog · 07-23-2004, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
Yeah I filled out the form and it said they'd respond in the next 24 hours.

We'll see.

I have an in . . . will let them know about this thread

teleblade69 · 07-23-2004, 03:11 PM

i'm also in SEO business (mainstream) but normally when you want your site optimalised the first thing the SEO'er must do is FIND some keywords where he can garantee a top 10 position

how? well that is the 'magic' of the SEO (but i can tell you I do it and it costs me some money

when i see those 3 keywords i tell you:

i can only garantee you a top10 position in the keywords "cheap phone sex"

My

Tb

btw SEO costs a lot

We have some companies paying +50000? / Year for their site being SEO.

07-23-2004, 10:23 AM	#1
MakeMeGrrrrowl Grrrrrrrrr Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dreamland Posts: 4,976	SEO Experts Okay so I hired this guy to work with me on search engines...but I realized I will have no clue if he's actually working. I mean obviously if my site starts getting more traffic...then I'd know....but in the meantime how I do I know he's doing anything? I already paid him half the money up front and I told him when I see SOME results I'll pay the other half of the money. Now he could have just taken my money and run...who knows. The price I paid him is 350.00 total and half now...I told him once I start seeing some results then I will pay him 500.00 monthly to keep me on top. I dunno if I was being hasty with this guy...I'm a lil worried now, but I don't know if I should be. Any SE experts out there know what I should be looking for? And if this guy doesn't get me any results are their any reputable people who do this? Thanks, Shannon

07-23-2004, 10:30 AM	#2
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teleblade69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,063	i'm also in SEO business (mainstream) but normally when you want your site optimalised the first thing the SEO'er must do is FIND some keywords where he can garantee a top 10 position how? well that is the 'magic' of the SEO (but i can tell you I do it and it costs me some money when i see those 3 keywords i tell you: i can only garantee you a top10 position in the keywords "cheap phone sex" My Tb btw SEO costs a lot We have some companies paying +50000? / Year for their site being SEO. __________________

07-23-2004, 10:33 AM	#4
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	If you can tell us what exactly your SEO person is doing for you, then I can offer some advice (in this thread only please )

07-23-2004, 10:35 AM	#8
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	You got taken. Now go and find a decent SEO and pay the price.

07-23-2004, 10:39 AM	#10
Crypt Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,225	SEO for 350$? haha

07-23-2004, 11:23 AM	#26
swami Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: vanuatu Posts: 1,989	If its for the site in your sig then $350 wont do shit man.The type of site you are trying to get search engine traffic for is very,very hard to do.Takes 12 months of hard work and planning. For some reason everybody wants to copy Jays or Hoes and they haven't a clue what it entails.If you are new to the game of SEO start of with a smaller niche siteand use plenty of original text.Don't just fill it up with links.Stop chasing the "free porn" words and get some decent original pic content.Make it a site worth linking to and then find other related quality sites with minimun outbound links on it and trade links with them.If they wont trade with you because you have no pr then buy a couple of links to get some pr.With that $350 you could've had a pr5 for 2 months. Then when you have done all that the hard work begins and then you hire a SEO like myself for $200 hr to give you the edge over the thousands of others doing the same thing.

07-23-2004, 11:56 AM	#34
MakeMeGrrrrowl Grrrrrrrrr Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dreamland Posts: 4,976	So bottom line is I got scammed. I checked out the sites that were sent in this message board and I e-mailed one of the companies...I have not fully read the other companies site. So what can I realistically expect to pay when looking for someone? What questions do I ask? How do I know if they're doing what they say they're doing? Money wouldn't be such an issue normally but at this point until results are definite, I still have to do the PPC and I can't afford the money I pay for PPC AND just about that same amount for a SE Expert. Eventually phasing out the ppc and raising the SE money is what I would need to do, but until then....I'm a lil stuck. On top of getting scammed....SEVEN fucking charge backs today. This guy is going to get it when I get a hold of him. All in all I'm down 450.00 today so far. I should just go back to bed!!!!

07-23-2004, 12:24 PM	#35
MakeMeGrrrrowl Grrrrrrrrr Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dreamland Posts: 4,976	I checked out SEOCentral and this is what I got. Shannon, Thank you for your interest in SEOcentral. Unfortunately at this time we are unable to meet your request. Best Regards, The SEOcentral Team. All I asked for was information and gave the girl my URL and this is the letter I got??? WTF!

07-23-2004, 12:32 PM	#36
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	that site you showed needs way more SEO to get listed nicely...it is almost all graphics...get some text in there and something to make the search engines pick up on keywords

07-23-2004, 01:23 PM	#40
MakeMeGrrrrowl Grrrrrrrrr Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dreamland Posts: 4,976	Okay so he got upset about the paypal dispute. =( Anyway he talked to me in a message and I gave him 30 days for me to see results and he agrees to refund my money if there are no results in 30 days. I dunno....I guess if he doesn't then I lost 175.00 (since I never gave him the other half) and learned a very valuable lesson.

07-23-2004, 01:44 PM	#41
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	Hire swami for one hour. he will do more for you in that hour then you can believe. I can do the same hit me up for $200 i will tell you enough to do it yourself. It is not rocket science. icq REMOVED talk to Swami Just a heads up but the $200 is up front. It won't take an hour of phone time to straigthen you out.

07-23-2004, 02:10 PM	#43
MakeMeGrrrrowl Grrrrrrrrr Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dreamland Posts: 4,976	lol...now I'm suspicious of everyone. You say send me 200.00 and now I'm thinking scam. =(