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JFK · 07-22-2004, 11:56 AM

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Lifer · 07-22-2004, 11:58 AM

I figured all you butt buddies would come crawling out of the woodwork!

Have fun writing insults that only you will read.

You guys are so stupid:

jact said:

You may be claiming not to be trying to ride on someone's coat tails, but it's pretty evident that this is exactly what you're trying to do. Every word out of your mouth is an attempt at self promotion. You're a vulture and your spots will never change. Just because we're closing our site does not mean we're going out of business or leaving the industry. If you had half a clue, you'd realize this. Now kindly avoid threads trying to crucify myself or my company in future.

now... Fuck off sperm whale

AaronM · 07-22-2004, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
Note to AaronM: Yeah, Aaaron... you don't need to comply with 2257. Okay. M stands for moron.

Look idiot...I never said you don't have to comply with 2257....Of course most people do.

The only morons in this thread are the people who don't know WTF they are talking about....Like you for instance.

I'll tell ya what buddy...The next time that you are asked to speak on a radio show or discussion panel for 2257 and you are the only non-attorney who gets that invite...THEN I will consider you on the same level as me when it comes to this topic. Until then.....Educate your ignorant ass to the real laws and how they affect you before coming at me with some half assed personal attack.

LadyMischief · 07-22-2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
I figured all you butt buddies would come crawling out of the woodwork!

Have fun writing insults that only you will read.

You guys are so stupid:

jact said:

You may be claiming not to be trying to ride on someone's coat tails, but it's pretty evident that this is exactly what you're trying to do. Every word out of your mouth is an attempt at self promotion. You're a vulture and your spots will never change. Just because we're closing our site does not mean we're going out of business or leaving the industry. If you had half a clue, you'd realize this. Now kindly avoid threads trying to crucify myself or my company in future.

now... Fuck off sperm whale

I guess butt buddy would be a good description for me and jact... considering he's my husband and business partner. As for you, you should really sign up for some comprehension courses. It would probably help you out in life

Lifer · 07-22-2004, 12:08 PM

Oh ouch!! Don't be so mean... AaronM with the big M.

You are so right most noble one... and I am just a worthless turd under your boots.

You are obviously so much more informed... everyone loves you... you have all your friends that laugh at your jokes and invite you to their parties. I have seen that others have refered to you as a genius here at GFY.

And I, on the other hand, am merely dried dog dust blowing in the wind.

I just don't know how to apologize to you and you friends... I hope you will forgive me for my wicked comments... even if it takes a thousand years...

I remain your most humble servant...

AaronM · 07-22-2004, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
Oh ouch!! Don't be so mean... AaronM with the big M.

You are so right most noble one... and I am just a worthless turd under your boots.

You are obviously so much more informed... everyone loves you... you have all your friends that laugh at your jokes and invite you to their parties. I have seen that others have refered to you as a genius here at GFY.

And I, on the other hand, am merely dried dog dust blowing in the wind.

I just don't know how to apologize to you and you friends... I hope you will forgive me for my wicked comments... even if it takes a thousand years...

I remain your most humble servant...

How about you quit acting like a little bitch and just accept the fact that you are like most of the other people around here and are misinformed?

Allow me to thow you a bone....Go read the proposed regulations...Pay specific attention to section 75.2 paragraph D.

Then come back here and tell me I'm wrong again.

I'll be waiting..................

Lifer · 07-22-2004, 12:21 PM

Give me a link

StuartD · 07-22-2004, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
Give me a link

Someone as brilliant and informed as you, and obviously right on top of these new regs... I'd think you have a link handy all by yourself... or are you admitting that you've never once seen any of the proposed changes?

AaronM · 07-22-2004, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
Give me a link

In other words:

1: You have not even read the proposed regs in the first place.

2: You are not intelligent enough to find the link that was provided on the first page of this thread.

3: You have been talking out your ass.

Nice.

Here....Want me to hold your hand while I read it to you as well?

http://www.regulations.gov/freddocs/04-13792.htm

AaronM · 07-22-2004, 01:08 PM

It's been a half hour....I'm still waiting....

Maybe he had to find somebody to read it to him.

Dpope · 07-23-2004, 01:24 AM

Well AaronM et al...

I read your link and want to ask you to explain what you think paragraph 75.2.b means?

It says:

(b) A producer who is a secondary producer as defined in Sec.
75.1(c) may satisfy the requirements of this part to create and maintain records by accepting from the primary producer, as defined in Sec. 75.1(c), copies of the records described in paragraph (a) of this section. Such a secondary producer shall also keep records of the name and address of the primary producer from whom he received copies of the records.

Webmasters are secondary producers as as defined in 75.1.c

It says the webmaster (secondary producer) must maintain copies of the records from the primary producer.

The type of records to be maintained are described in paragraph (a).

Well... Here is paragraph a:

(a) Any producer of any book, magazine, periodical, film,
videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other matter that contains one or more visual depictions of actual sexually explicit conduct made after November 1, 1990, shall, for each performer portrayed in such visual depiction, create and maintain records containing the following:

(1) The legal name and date of birth of each performer, obtained by the producer's examination of an identification document, as defined by 18 U.S.C. 1028(d)(3). For any performer portrayed in such a depiction made after May 26, 1992, the records shall also include a legible copy of the identification document examined and, if that document does not contain a recent and recognizable picture of the performer, a legible copy of a picture identification card. For any performer portrayed in such a depiction after [insert date 30 days after publication of the final rule in the Federal Register], the records shall include:

(i) A copy of the depiction, and
(ii) Where the depiction is published on an Internet Computer siteor service, a copy of any URL associated with the depiction.

(2) Any name, other than each performer's legal name, ever used by the performer, including the performer's maiden name, alias, nickname, stage name, or professional name. For any performer portrayed in such a depiction made after May 26, 1992, such names shall be indexed by the title or identifying number of the book, magazine, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, URL, or other matter.

(3) Records required to be created and maintained under this part shall be organized alphabetically, or numerically where appropriate, by the legal name of the performer (by last or family name, then first or given name), and shall be indexed or cross-referenced to each alias or other name used and to each title or identifying number of the book, magazine, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, URL, or other matter.

So, either it is you that can not read...

or you are simply too lazy to do your job.

Babagirls · 07-23-2004, 01:37 AM

yep. its a must now.

Kimmykim · 07-23-2004, 01:50 AM

Eek, since this turned into a he said and he spammed thread at the same time, let me stick a rasher in the fire. I've got nearly 5000 dvd titles, recognizable by surfers, ready to roll out the door in web ready, multiple speed streams with all the supporting database documentation and DRM in place for them.

Sorry charly, but I'm not joking. And they come from many of the very companies you've said you sell to for print. ;-}}}

Kimmykim · 07-23-2004, 01:54 AM

I also hope that this is not the part of 75.2 that is in debate here.

"This requirement is not a
retroactive application, but a requirement that any future change in
the records must ensure that all records relating to that performer are
complete. The proposed rule will establish an implementation timeframe
that is the minimum effective date rule required under the
Administrative Procedure Act. See 5 U.S.C. 553(d). Accordingly,
producers will be required to comply with the regulations 30 days after
publication of a final rule."

---------------------------------------

If not carry on. If so, then discuss.

toddler · 07-23-2004, 02:02 AM

(1) A primary producer is any person who actually films,
videotapes, photographs, or creates a computer-generated image, digital
image, or picture of, or digitizes an image of, a visual depiction of
actual sexually explicit conduct.
(2) A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles,
manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book,
magazine, periodical, film, videotape, a computer-generated image,
digital image, or picture, or other matter intended for commercial
distribution that contains a visual depiction of actual sexually
explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a
digital image of, or otherwise manages the content of a computer site
or service that contains a visual depiction of, actual sexually
explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract,
agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.
(3) The same person may be both a primary and a secondary producer.
(4) Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to
the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to
the following:
(i) Photo processing;
(ii) Mere distribution;
(iii) Any activity, other than those activities identified in
paragraphs (c)(1) and (2) of this section, that does not involve the
hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the
participation of the depicted performers;
(iv) A provider of Web-hosting services who does not manage the
content of the computer site or service; or
(v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote
computing service who does not manage the content of the computer site
or service.
(5) A producer includes any subsidiary or parent organization, and
any subsidiary of any parent organization, notwithstanding any
limitations on liability that would otherwise be applicable.
(d) Sell, distribute, redistribute, and re-release refer to
commercial distribution of a book, magazine, periodical, film,
videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other

I'd be surprised if this passes, but it is after all the us govt. its rather broad. The 'computer generated image' bit seems to play into the recent SC case that said that computer generated (ie fake) images that depict underage sex are not illegal...but I'm not a lawyer, and don't play one on GFY...

toddler · 07-23-2004, 02:05 AM

one question. I'll look shortly, but do they define 'sexually explicit content'? if not....hold on to yer britches bitches.

Johny Traffic · 07-23-2004, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Give me a link

You sir are a fucking idiot. Fancy comming here shouting your fat gob off, when you havnt even read the new regs. What an arsehole you truly are

toddler · 07-23-2004, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johny Traffic
You sir are a fucking idiot. Fancy comming here shouting your fat gob off, when you havnt even read the new regs. What an arsehole you truly are

i prefer 'no talent ass clown' myself.....

off to bed...

Dpope · 07-23-2004, 02:56 AM

I had read the proposed regulation, as you put it, prior to posting here.

Had I simply went out and read something, and came back to this thread, people would have said that I read the wrong regulation or the wrong source.

By getting AaronM to give me his source, I was insuring that when I read it, and gave him the information back to him, we were reading from the same regulation.

There seems to be some cross communication here.

Charly and I are right in that, according to the proposed amendments to the 2257 law, webmasters will be required to obtain and maintain 2257 documents from providers. We are discussing paragraph 75.2.b.

AaronM is right that paragraph 75.2.d says:

(d) For any record created or amended after [insert date 30 days
after publication of the final rule in the Federal Register], all such
records shall be organized alphabetically, or numerically where
appropriate, by the legal name of the performer

Some how, reading your responses, I was under the impression that you advocated that webmasters would not have to keep these records under paragraph 75.2.b.

I assume, based on your citation of the above paragraph, you were saying that it is not necessary to chase down 2257 documents today, because the requirement for webmasters to maintain those records will not take effect until 30 days after passage of the proposed amendments to the law.

I am sorry for calling you a Moron with a capital M... really.

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07-22-2004, 11:58 AM	#52
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	I figured all you butt buddies would come crawling out of the woodwork! Have fun writing insults that only you will read. You guys are so stupid: jact said: You may be claiming not to be trying to ride on someone's coat tails, but it's pretty evident that this is exactly what you're trying to do. Every word out of your mouth is an attempt at self promotion. You're a vulture and your spots will never change. Just because we're closing our site does not mean we're going out of business or leaving the industry. If you had half a clue, you'd realize this. Now kindly avoid threads trying to crucify myself or my company in future. now... Fuck off sperm whale __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

07-22-2004, 12:08 PM	#55
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	Oh ouch!! Don't be so mean... AaronM with the big M. You are so right most noble one... and I am just a worthless turd under your boots. You are obviously so much more informed... everyone loves you... you have all your friends that laugh at your jokes and invite you to their parties. I have seen that others have refered to you as a genius here at GFY. And I, on the other hand, am merely dried dog dust blowing in the wind. I just don't know how to apologize to you and you friends... I hope you will forgive me for my wicked comments... even if it takes a thousand years... I remain your most humble servant... __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

07-22-2004, 12:21 PM	#57
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07-23-2004, 01:24 AM	#61
Dpope Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 33	Well AaronM et al... I read your link and want to ask you to explain what you think paragraph 75.2.b means? It says: (b) A producer who is a secondary producer as defined in Sec. 75.1(c) may satisfy the requirements of this part to create and maintain records by accepting from the primary producer, as defined in Sec. 75.1(c), copies of the records described in paragraph (a) of this section. Such a secondary producer shall also keep records of the name and address of the primary producer from whom he received copies of the records. Webmasters are secondary producers as as defined in 75.1.c It says the webmaster (secondary producer) must maintain copies of the records from the primary producer. The type of records to be maintained are described in paragraph (a). Well... Here is paragraph a: (a) Any producer of any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other matter that contains one or more visual depictions of actual sexually explicit conduct made after November 1, 1990, shall, for each performer portrayed in such visual depiction, create and maintain records containing the following: (1) The legal name and date of birth of each performer, obtained by the producer's examination of an identification document, as defined by 18 U.S.C. 1028(d)(3). For any performer portrayed in such a depiction made after May 26, 1992, the records shall also include a legible copy of the identification document examined and, if that document does not contain a recent and recognizable picture of the performer, a legible copy of a picture identification card. For any performer portrayed in such a depiction after [insert date 30 days after publication of the final rule in the Federal Register], the records shall include: (i) A copy of the depiction, and (ii) Where the depiction is published on an Internet Computer siteor service, a copy of any URL associated with the depiction. (2) Any name, other than each performer's legal name, ever used by the performer, including the performer's maiden name, alias, nickname, stage name, or professional name. For any performer portrayed in such a depiction made after May 26, 1992, such names shall be indexed by the title or identifying number of the book, magazine, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, URL, or other matter. (3) Records required to be created and maintained under this part shall be organized alphabetically, or numerically where appropriate, by the legal name of the performer (by last or family name, then first or given name), and shall be indexed or cross-referenced to each alias or other name used and to each title or identifying number of the book, magazine, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, URL, or other matter. So, either it is you that can not read... or you are simply too lazy to do your job. Last edited by Dpope; 07-23-2004 at 01:26 AM..

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	It's been a half hour....I'm still waiting.... Maybe he had to find somebody to read it to him.

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07-23-2004, 01:50 AM	#63
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Eek, since this turned into a he said and he spammed thread at the same time, let me stick a rasher in the fire. I've got nearly 5000 dvd titles, recognizable by surfers, ready to roll out the door in web ready, multiple speed streams with all the supporting database documentation and DRM in place for them. Sorry charly, but I'm not joking. And they come from many of the very companies you've said you sell to for print. ;-}}}

07-23-2004, 01:54 AM	#64
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	I also hope that this is not the part of 75.2 that is in debate here. "This requirement is not a retroactive application, but a requirement that any future change in the records must ensure that all records relating to that performer are complete. The proposed rule will establish an implementation timeframe that is the minimum effective date rule required under the Administrative Procedure Act. See 5 U.S.C. 553(d). Accordingly, producers will be required to comply with the regulations 30 days after publication of a final rule." --------------------------------------- If not carry on. If so, then discuss.

07-23-2004, 02:02 AM	#65
toddler Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,911	(1) A primary producer is any person who actually films, videotapes, photographs, or creates a computer-generated image, digital image, or picture of, or digitizes an image of, a visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct. (2) A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, a computer-generated image, digital image, or picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the content of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction of, actual sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing. (3) The same person may be both a primary and a secondary producer. (4) Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following: (i) Photo processing; (ii) Mere distribution; (iii) Any activity, other than those activities identified in paragraphs (c)(1) and (2) of this section, that does not involve the hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the depicted performers; (iv) A provider of Web-hosting services who does not manage the content of the computer site or service; or (v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not manage the content of the computer site or service. (5) A producer includes any subsidiary or parent organization, and any subsidiary of any parent organization, notwithstanding any limitations on liability that would otherwise be applicable. (d) Sell, distribute, redistribute, and re-release refer to commercial distribution of a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other I'd be surprised if this passes, but it is after all the us govt. its rather broad. The 'computer generated image' bit seems to play into the recent SC case that said that computer generated (ie fake) images that depict underage sex are not illegal...but I'm not a lawyer, and don't play one on GFY... __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/zoddler/

07-23-2004, 02:05 AM	#66
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07-23-2004, 02:56 AM	#69
Dpope Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 33	I had read the proposed regulation, as you put it, prior to posting here. Had I simply went out and read something, and came back to this thread, people would have said that I read the wrong regulation or the wrong source. By getting AaronM to give me his source, I was insuring that when I read it, and gave him the information back to him, we were reading from the same regulation. There seems to be some cross communication here. Charly and I are right in that, according to the proposed amendments to the 2257 law, webmasters will be required to obtain and maintain 2257 documents from providers. We are discussing paragraph 75.2.b. AaronM is right that paragraph 75.2.d says: (d) For any record created or amended after [insert date 30 days after publication of the final rule in the Federal Register], all such records shall be organized alphabetically, or numerically where appropriate, by the legal name of the performer Some how, reading your responses, I was under the impression that you advocated that webmasters would not have to keep these records under paragraph 75.2.b. I assume, based on your citation of the above paragraph, you were saying that it is not necessary to chase down 2257 documents today, because the requirement for webmasters to maintain those records will not take effect until 30 days after passage of the proposed amendments to the law. I am sorry for calling you a Moron with a capital M... really.