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CDSmith · 07-22-2004, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by BradM
Canadians don't burn Canadian flags.
Why would we?

Wrong.

Several Canadians in one of our eastern provinces have burned the Canadian flag on several occasions. I'd like to bitchslap each and every one of them, but I do not support removing their right to express their opinions, by burning flags or otherwise.

Censorship sucks and everyone knows it.

SBJ · 07-22-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
So in a "free" country, you shouldn't have the freedom to burn a flag?

no in this country you should be free to dislike or hate the president and protest peacefully but burning a flag is not a peaceful protest. You can hate what this country is today sure but burning a flag is burning the whole idea of the strugles we went through to be free.

I don't care if you agree with me or not, you are free to have your own ideas.

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by Silent Bob Jedi
no in this country you should be free to dislike or hate the president and protest peacefully but burning a flag is not a peaceful protest. You can hate what this country is today sure but burning a flag is burning the whole idea of the strugles we went through to be free.

I don't care if you agree with me or not, you are free to have your own ideas.

Are you aware that there are Americans that burn the flag every year on the 4th of July to celebrate that freedom? They burn the flag because they can. That's freedom.

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Silent Bob Jedi
burning a flag is not a peaceful protest.

How is it not peaceful? It's just cloth burning.

CDSmith · 07-22-2004, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Are you aware that there are Americans that burn the flag every year on the 4th of July to celebrate that freedom? They burn the flag because they can. That's freedom.

There will always be a few out there that will simply never understand the greater meaning of that.

SBJ · 07-22-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Are you aware that there are Americans that burn the flag every year on the 4th of July to celebrate that freedom? They burn the flag because they can. That's freedom.

but these same people will buy a new one to replace their year old flag. There is a difference from burning a flag if you plan on replacing it with a new one. I'm saying it is not right to burn a flag in protest of the current government or whatever.

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 08:39 AM

It's Freedom Baby, Yeah!

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by Silent Bob Jedi
but these same people will buy a new one to replace their year old flag. There is a difference from burning a flag if you plan on replacing it with a new one. I'm saying it is not right to burn a flag in protest of the current government or whatever.

The Supreme court disagrees with you

"government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable."

Jace · 07-22-2004, 09:03 AM

it is just a piece of fabric....it is what you make of it

IratePrimate · 07-22-2004, 09:07 AM

I was infantry in the Army. I never, once, felt that if I went to combat I would be fighting for a flag. When you really get down to it, it isn't a big deal. Burning a flag is a way to show utter contempt for the powers that be. Americans who burn flags aren't usually anti-America. They're anti-establishment. They don't like whoever it is that's calling the shots. They aren't being disrespectful to this country; they're saying fuck you to the special interest pandering politicians sending the bottom 10% of your high school class off to die. It's a way to get your point across. Dread Scott (an artist) had an installation exhibit titled "What is the Proper Way to Display the U.S. Flag?," in which people had to stand on an American flag to write their ideas in a book, and Kate Millet's "The American Dream Goes to Pot" was an exhibit with an American flag half stuffed in a toilet in a jail cell. Both of these were "unacceptable" to the conservative right wing moral majority parrots, but both were considered influential works of art. It's just a flag. And for those of you who wondered why this is considered protectec under freedom of speech... It's because in 1989 the United States Supreme Court said it is free speech.

pornguy · 07-22-2004, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
flag wavers themselves should be caged and BURNED.

nothing i cant stand more than fucking flag waving fuckers.

i was behind a car the other day in traffic, i swear this fucker had 20+ american flag stickers on his back window, a flag pole on each side of the car and a fucking flag on his antenna.

"we draw lines and stand behind them,
thats why flags are such ugly things."

put down the flag

Fletch. That is probably the best thing I have seen written in some time.. I would have taken that one step further and said,

put down the flag, and step up to the line and do something!

pornguy · 07-22-2004, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by IratePrimate
I was infantry in the Army. I never, once, felt that if I went to combat I would be fighting for a flag. When you really get down to it, it isn't a big deal. Burning a flag is a way to show utter contempt for the powers that be. Americans who burn flags aren't usually anti-America. They're anti-establishment. They don't like whoever it is that's calling the shots. They aren't being disrespectful to this country; they're saying fuck you to the special interest pandering politicians sending the bottom 10% of your high school class off to die. It's a way to get your point across. Dread Scott (an artist) had an installation exhibit titled "What is the Proper Way to Display the U.S. Flag?," in which people had to stand on an American flag to write their ideas in a book, and Kate Millet's "The American Dream Goes to Pot" was an exhibit with an American flag half stuffed in a toilet in a jail cell. Both of these were "unacceptable" to the conservative right wing moral majority parrots, but both were considered influential works of art. It's just a flag. And for those of you who wondered why this is considered protectec under freedom of speech... It's because in 1989 the United States Supreme Court said it is free speech.

Just a flag to some. To other a symbol of freedom, and a rallying point.

Many battles have been won, because of " Just a flag".

Way too many people died for that flag to have that shape and those colors!

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 09:14 AM

By the way, it's illegal to burn the Chinese flag in China. The Communist government of China does not allow Chinese people to have this freedom.

Would you like to join them?

alexg · 07-22-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Open for dicussion.

bad no doubt and should be illegal in every state which respects itself

theking · 07-22-2004, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
The Supreme court disagrees with you

"government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable."

That may apply to the "government" but it does not apply to me. Attempt to burn the flag in my presence and I will do whatever becomes necessary to stop you...up to and including taking your life...and to hell with whatever consequences may be applied to me...by the individual/individuals or the "government".

Rochard · 07-22-2004, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by Corona
Sure it is. As long as the car belongs to you it's called performance art.

Burning a flag you own is freedom of speech. Killing a bird that you don't own and is a protected species in not freedom of speech. There is a difference.

Can you explain the difference here because I'm not getting it.

If I was to take a stack of firewood and set it on fire on the sidewalk in downtown Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I'd go to jail. But I can set fire to a flag and it's no big deal?

Fletch XXX · 07-22-2004, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by alexg
bad no doubt and should be illegal in every state which respects itself

illegal?

you guys want freedom but on,.y for what YOU THINK IS RIGHT.

IratePrimate · 07-22-2004, 09:20 AM

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Just a flag to some. To other a symbol of freedom, and a rallying point.

I know a lot about military history, not everything, but a lot. I can't think of one clear cut example of a battle being won because of a flag, unless it's a white flag of surrender. Battles are won by strength and resolve, strategy and tactics. I agree that a flag can instill morale and strengthen resolve, but more battles are won without a flag being seen. This is an argument that will go on and on, and I'm not about to change anyones opinion on this. I'm just sticking up for something I believe to be a privilage (they aren't really rights, since they can be taken away).

Fletch XXX · 07-22-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Can you explain the difference here because I'm not getting it.

If I was to take a stack of firewood and set it on fire on the sidewalk in downtown Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I'd go to jail. But I can set fire to a flag and it's no big deal?

you can burn a napkin, or a parking ticket.

arent you military? or used to be?

i think its expected that you are sworn to the flag, its no doubt you cannot stand to see it burned.

you fail to realize there are some of us who dont care.

my family was here BEFORE THE AMERICAN FLAG was even designed.

hahaha

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Can you explain the difference here because I'm not getting it.

If I was to take a stack of firewood and set it on fire on the sidewalk in downtown Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I'd go to jail. But I can set fire to a flag and it's no big deal?

If you burned a flag on public property, you might be arrested for something like reckless endangerment because setting fires in public places can be dangerous. But being arrested for reckless endangerment and being arrested for desecration of the flag are two different things.

Corona · 07-22-2004, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by theking
That may apply to the "government" but it does not apply to me. Attempt to burn the flag in my presence and I will do whatever becomes necessary to stop you...up to and including taking your life...and to hell with whatever consequences may be applied to me...by the individual/individuals or the "government".

You, sir, are a fucking assclown.

You are willing to kill someone for doing something that is legal.

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Corona
You, sir, are a fucking assclown.

You are willing to kill someone for doing something that is legal.

It's ok, he's just brainwashed. It's not his fault.

M_M · 07-22-2004, 09:42 AM

Are we discussing if its right or wrong? or if it should be illegal?

M_M · 07-22-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by theking
That may apply to the "government" but it does not apply to me. Attempt to burn the flag in my presence and I will do whatever becomes necessary to stop you...up to and including taking your life...and to hell with whatever consequences may be applied to me...by the individual/individuals or the "government".

republican nutjob not respecting freedom of speech..

oops, nothing new about that

Tom_PMs · 07-22-2004, 09:44 AM

Completely indifferent to the whole thing because it's a nonsense, election year issue when it boils down. It is ONLY spoken of by politicians to spark furor. And furor ensues.

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by M_M
Are we discussing if its right or wrong? or if it should be illegal?

The thread topic is a bit vague, I'd say we're discussing both issues.

IratePrimate · 07-22-2004, 09:45 AM

In all honesty I'm more concerned about people not burning flags, than I am about desecration of a symbol. When people no longer burn flags it means either they don't give a shit, or they're afraid to do it. So either we're apathetic, or we live in a totalitarian regime. Great.

theking · 07-22-2004, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by Corona
You, sir, are a fucking assclown.

You are willing to kill someone for doing something that is legal.

Burning the flag is an act designed to provoke and/or to get a response...and for me it will accomplish both goals.

NBDesign · 07-22-2004, 09:49 AM

It's a strong statement to show your discontent with the government... I see nothing wrong with it.

America was a great country..... can be again if we can get a leader that will do more for it's people (ALL it's people) and not just for a handful. One who will put hte US and it's interests above other countries.

theking · 07-22-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by M_M
republican nutjob not respecting freedom of speech..

oops, nothing new about that

FYI...I am not and have never been a Republican. I respect what our Flag portrays...and do not view its desecration as being "freedom of speech"...and will not tolerate it being desecrated in my presence.

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by IratePrimate
In all honesty I'm more concerned about people not burning flags, than I am about desecration of a symbol. When people no longer burn flags it means either they don't give a shit, or they're afraid to do it. So either we're apathetic, or we live in a totalitarian regime. Great.

Good point.

Fletch XXX · 07-22-2004, 09:54 AM

theking:

email me your address.

i will send you a box with a burnt flag in it.

i am serious.

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
theking:

email me your address.

i will send you a box with a burnt flag in it.

i am serious.

theking · 07-22-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
theking:

email me your address.

i will send you a box with a burnt flag in it.

i am serious.

This is your brain on drugs. That would be after the fact...re-read my posts...and try to comprehend.

Rochard · 07-22-2004, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by IratePrimate
In all honesty I'm more concerned about people not burning flags, than I am about desecration of a symbol. When people no longer burn flags it means either they don't give a shit, or they're afraid to do it. So either we're apathetic, or we live in a totalitarian regime. Great.

This is a very good point.....

Fletch XXX · 07-22-2004, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by theking
This is your brain on drugs. That would be after the fact...re-read my posts...and try to comprehend.

I have not been on drugs in a long time, you are confusing facts.

Also, you are the one on morphine for your hurt back. Poo GI hurt his back and cant be a military no more, boo hoo. you money collecting injury claimers are a disgrace.

which also brings me to the other fact.

you couldnt kill anyone unless you had a gun.

Nothing worst than some crippled wannabe veteran who thinks they can kick anybodies ass.

old man, your back and mophine addiction wont allow you to kick anyones ass.

email me your address.

lets see who talks shit and who is for real.

theking · 07-22-2004, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Good point.

His assumptions are not accurate.

macho · 07-22-2004, 10:07 AM

I think it is not good!!

theking · 07-22-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I have not been on drugs in a long time, you are confusing facts.

Also, you are the one on morphine for your hurt back. Poo GI hurt his back and cant be a military no more, boo hoo. you money collecting injury claimers are a disgrace.

which also brings me to the other fact.

you couldnt kill anyone unless you had a gun.

Nothing worst than some crippled wannabe veteran who thinks they can kick anybodies ass.

old man, your back and mophine addiction wont allow you to kick anyones ass.

email me your address.

lets see who talks shit and who is for real.

I seldom even use Vicodin let alone Morphine...but I have stated this multiple times. I do have "guns" but I do not need them to injure or kill. I am well trained in LINE...and I can eat an enormous amount of pain...especially when the adrenaline kicks in...and damn the consequences. Like I said...that would be after the fact...try to comprehend what you read.

IratePrimate · 07-22-2004, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by theking
His assumptions are not accurate.

Why not? I mean there will always be a group of people who are dissatisfied with the way things are. If they don't protest it's because either they don't care that much, or they're afraid to. You're making the mistake of thinking flag burners have something against the flag. They burn it to protest the government, since it is a symbol of the government. Larry Flynt wore the flag as a diaper. He isn't anti-America. Abbie Hoffman burned the flag, he also wore the flag as a shirt, and was very patriotic. He didn't believe in what the government was doing, so the flag was an effigy for the Pentagon, the Oval Office, the Capitol. Americans have a responsibility to not be sheep. To be concerned citizens. Americans have a responsibilty to keep the powers that be in check.

Fletch XXX · 07-22-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by theking
I seldom even use Vicodin let alone Morphine...but I have stated this multiple times. I do have "guns" but I do not need them to injure or kill. I am well trained in LINE...and I can eat an enormous amount of pain...especially when the adrenaline kicks in...and damn the consequences. Like I said...that would be after the fact...try to comprehend what you read.

whatever, you have stated you take morphine for your back.

you can spin it how you want.

you talk a lot of shit on the board, but you make threads about your back hurting you cant get off the couch?

yeah, youre gonna be a tough guy with a cane and a hurt back.

hahahah

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 10:16 AM

Hey guys, sorry I didn't reply to this thread for a while, I was busy taking a shit and wiping my ass with the flag. Now where were we?

Tom_PMs · 07-22-2004, 10:18 AM

Ah, an incredible marketing idea for a novelty product.

Flag printed, double quilted TP!

Million dollar idea. Get the ball rolling and send me checks. ty

alexg · 07-22-2004, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

illegal?

you guys want freedom but on,.y for what YOU THINK IS RIGHT.

there is a wide acknowledgement as to flag burning being WRONG.
I didn't see Israeli's burning palestinian flags, or German flags

theking · 07-22-2004, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
whatever, you have stated you take morphine for your back.

you can spin it how you want.

you talk a lot of shit on the board, but you make threads about your back hurting you cant get off the couch?

yeah, youre gonna be a tough guy with a cane and a hurt back.

hahahah

I have stated that I have a standing prescription for Vicodin and Morhpine...and that I seldom use even the Vicodin and use the Morphine even less...and I have stated the reasons why I use the drugs sparingly. I am in pain 24/7...and have been since '91...which is a long period of time to learn "pain management"... and as I stated I can eat enormous amounts of pain. I can and do get off of the couch. What I cannot do is sit...lie...stand...or walk for a very long distance...but I can do all of this for short periods. I usually cannot sleep for more than a couple of hours at a time because pain will awake me. I recently drove my new pickup to California to wrap up a few loose ends. It was a nine hour drive one way...and I will probably never travel for more than two hours ever again. Admittedly my world continues to grow smaller.

Fletch XXX · 07-22-2004, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by alexg
there is a wide acknowledgement as to flag burning being WRONG.
I didn't see Israeli's burning palestinian flags, or German flags

no one would know what the fuck a Palestenian flag looks like anyway

hahaha

Palestinians burning bush

BRISK · 07-22-2004, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
no one would know what the fuck a Palestenian flag looks like anyway

I think you can see the palestinian flag in the background in this picture

Mikey_219Inc · 07-22-2004, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
George Carlin said it best... flags and bald eagles are symbols and I leave symbols to the symbol minded.

what he said.

its a piece of fucking cloth. id wipe my ass with it if i was out of toilet paper, doesnt mean anything. whats more, you flag waiver fucks are nationalistic and dont understand that there are a fuckload of other countries, peoples and cultures outside your neighborhood.

IratePrimate · 07-22-2004, 10:53 AM

When foreigners, on their soil, burn American flags, it's usually an anti-American sentiment. That's apples and oranges (or maybe Volvos, since oranges are kinda like apples) compared to Americans doing it in protest. Not that there's anything wrong with foreigners burning our flag. Shit, if I was a foreigner I would probably hate America too. We are, as a collective, pompous, arrogant, imperialistic assholes. That's what makes us so successful, I know, but it also alienates the rest of the world...

Rich · 07-22-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
I fail to see how burning the flag is protected under free speech.

I consider freedom of speech something you say, or something you create - such as a photo, a movie, or a book. Perhaps even a performance.

The act of burning the flag is just that - an act; In this case an act of protest. Setting a car on fire is also an act of protest, but that's not covered under freedom of speech. '

Killing an eagle is not covered under freedom of speech - Why shouild burning the flag be okay?

There's nothing wrong with burning your own car in protest, and a flag is not an endangered species. Your personal definition of free speech is meaningless. A lot of people think your sites aren't protected by free speech.

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IratePrimate Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 79	I was infantry in the Army. I never, once, felt that if I went to combat I would be fighting for a flag. When you really get down to it, it isn't a big deal. Burning a flag is a way to show utter contempt for the powers that be. Americans who burn flags aren't usually anti-America. They're anti-establishment. They don't like whoever it is that's calling the shots. They aren't being disrespectful to this country; they're saying fuck you to the special interest pandering politicians sending the bottom 10% of your high school class off to die. It's a way to get your point across. Dread Scott (an artist) had an installation exhibit titled "What is the Proper Way to Display the U.S. Flag?," in which people had to stand on an American flag to write their ideas in a book, and Kate Millet's "The American Dream Goes to Pot" was an exhibit with an American flag half stuffed in a toilet in a jail cell. Both of these were "unacceptable" to the conservative right wing moral majority parrots, but both were considered influential works of art. It's just a flag. And for those of you who wondered why this is considered protectec under freedom of speech... It's because in 1989 the United States Supreme Court said it is free speech. __________________

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	By the way, it's illegal to burn the Chinese flag in China. The Communist government of China does not allow Chinese people to have this freedom. Would you like to join them? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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Tom_PMs Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,049	Completely indifferent to the whole thing because it's a nonsense, election year issue when it boils down. It is ONLY spoken of by politicians to spark furor. And furor ensues. __________________ You've read it, you can't unread it.

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IratePrimate Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 79	In all honesty I'm more concerned about people not burning flags, than I am about desecration of a symbol. When people no longer burn flags it means either they don't give a shit, or they're afraid to do it. So either we're apathetic, or we live in a totalitarian regime. Great. __________________

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07-22-2004, 10:53 AM	#99
IratePrimate Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 79	When foreigners, on their soil, burn American flags, it's usually an anti-American sentiment. That's apples and oranges (or maybe Volvos, since oranges are kinda like apples) compared to Americans doing it in protest. Not that there's anything wrong with foreigners burning our flag. Shit, if I was a foreigner I would probably hate America too. We are, as a collective, pompous, arrogant, imperialistic assholes. That's what makes us so successful, I know, but it also alienates the rest of the world... __________________