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$5 submissions 07-21-2004 09:44 PM

This is great for webmasters with large pools of newbie traffic.

What may happen is SE traffic would be diverted to this pay model.

I don't see TGP traffic changing to this, though.

There will be a scramble to keep newbie surfers 'uneducated' to free porn :)

Drake 07-21-2004 09:49 PM

Nice idea, would love to see it in action.

Reak 07-21-2004 09:52 PM

:glugglug

sean416 07-21-2004 10:04 PM

If you could convince some top TGP's to do this, it would work alot better. Say the average surfer knows 2 or 3, maybe 4 tgps off by heart. One day he wakes up and sees this system on his first TGP. He says WTF.. goes to the next one, and teh next, etc. Finally he realizes the days of free tgp's is over and he must begin paying for it. That would vreate a real revolution. If you're just using the same old sponsor or bought content to push the same sites as the free TGP's, it'll make some bank... but it wont take off. :2 cents:

Theo 07-21-2004 10:26 PM

Micropayments in non-adult products is already big business. For example, I have seen the numbers of what most of as call silly flash game sites in europe and they are IMPRESSIVE. It's easier to implement such type of payments and increase your revenues when you have your own standard client base. Lately worldpay implemented a similar service with the difference it doesn't support adult content and it's way more time consuming to create an account. Pay as you click has a position in this industry and I believe we didn't see it so far due to complexity it requires to be implemented from the merchant point of view. If you have content or traffic you should look at it. At least give it a try because it has serious potentials by building your own client base and increasing it through time.

fantasyman 07-21-2004 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
idiot
Sleazy I'm talking about monetizing TGP content by selling it on the site, not from advertiser income. But thanx for the compliment. :thumbsup

harvey 07-21-2004 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
what he said
forgot to take the schizophrenia pills?:glugglug

{fusion} 07-21-2004 10:35 PM

can you sell tangable goods with micropayments? i have a few sites i'd like extra payment options for for my products

{fusion} 07-21-2004 10:46 PM

anyway its a kick ass idea, i think anyone can make money with this, surfer will love it. be good if they got a few credits to start with though to get the trust

zanycash Pete 07-21-2004 10:47 PM

Hmmm! Micro Payments sound tto me like small payments!:winkwink:

fantasyman 07-21-2004 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by {fusion}
anyway its a kick ass idea, i think anyone can make money with this, surfer will love it. be good if they got a few credits to start with though to get the trust
They do get some credits to start and get used to the system.

Nick 07-21-2004 10:53 PM

Great System! With all the visa and 2257 shit going on the industry really NEEDED something like this. Something positive for a change :thumbsup

SleazyDream 07-21-2004 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantasyman
Sleazy I'm talking about monetizing TGP content by selling it on the site, not from advertiser income. But thanx for the compliment. :thumbsup
all i see is a way to trick surfers into paying $500 plus a month once and not buying porn again for years - like the credit card billing tricks of the past.


a good way for people to burn bookmarks and for someone to make a quick buck but i don't see it as a long term stable income generator for anyone other than the person who owns the base program. why would someone continue to pay for tgp content when soo many others will give it away for free?

i see a lot of people post ways to make a quick buck from tgp traffic - and they usually dont' go anywhere cause the tgp model ISN'T about the quick buck. it's about protecting the surfer and building their trust. too many people DON'T get that part of it.

fantasyman 07-21-2004 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
all i see is a way to trick surfers into paying $500 plus a month once and not buying porn again for years - like the credit card billing tricks of the past.


a good way for people to burn bookmarks and for someone to make a quick buck but i don't see it as a long term stable income generator for anyone other than the person who owns the base program. why would someone continue to pay for tgp content when soo many others will give it away for free?

i see a lot of people post ways to make a quick buck from tgp traffic - and they usually dont' go anywhere cause the tgp model ISN'T about the quick buck. it's about protecting the surfer and building their trust. too many people DON'T get that part of it.

Sleazy with your understanding of TGP's, you're probably right. Maybe this isn't for TGP's. But with pay per view the buzz - this is a way to be there at no additional cost. Your own business with a way to process. No chargeback fees.

There are so many applications for this billing method that are different. Surfers will ultimately tell us if it's a hit, or a miss.

FabianC 07-21-2004 11:24 PM

Bump for the Fantasyman ..

SleazyDream 07-21-2004 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantasyman
Sleazy with your understanding of TGP's, you're probably right. Maybe this isn't for TGP's. But with pay per view the buzz - this is a way to be there at no additional cost. Your own business with a way to process. No chargeback fees.

There are so many applications for this billing method that are different. Surfers will ultimately tell us if it's a hit, or a miss.

not saying there isn't room for it nor that it won't make money, there is tons of different ways to market porn, just commenting that most major tgps in my humble opinion won't go for it.

fantasyman 07-21-2004 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
not saying there isn't room for it nor that it won't make money, there is tons of different ways to market porn, just commenting that most major tgps in my humble opinion won't go for it.

.and I'm probably believin ya :)

Kimmykim 07-22-2004 01:33 AM

I'm sure you've had good and bad comments, Ron, I didn't read the whole thread.

As I've said to several people lately, you've got good ideas and great execution on them.

Hell, video's not new, images are not new, the internet's not new. But if you can find yet another model that makes money for your affiliates and your company, that's something good for everyone.

:)

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 01:40 AM

Hi Everyone.

I'm Danny Watkins from PayAsYouClick.com. I'm the founder as many of you know, and one of the directors. We're delighted at the response to the micropayment system - many thanks to Ron and others for their support and assistance during the development, and for helping to bring exposure to what we believe is a pretty awesome system.

We've officially launched as of now. I hope you'll work with us to position this to the benefit of the whole industry.

I'm going to go through the thread and answer any points that haven't been covered. You can contact me directly if you'd prefer.

Finally I should let you know we'll be at booth 1104 at Internext running live demos of the system including how to set up and convert sites. I look forward to meeting many of you.

Best wishes,

Danny

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimmer
Sorry, Danny showed me this before and I never said it was a bad idea. The post is people don't give any one a chance with a new idea unless they have a reputable person like yourself helping to promote it. I have made money on micropayment systems before, they are good and it will be even better if some big TGPs pick it up :)
Hi Jimmer,

You were very supportive of the original idea - I always appreciated your feedback. We learnt a lot from the original concept-trial over a year ago, and this system is a VERY different animal as a result - both technically and commercially.

And although I've been on the outskirts of the adult industry since about '98, its only through the involvement of established merchants that we've been able to tune this system to offer the features and flexibility you need.

Thanks again Jimmers for your positive approach.

Best wishes

Danny

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by {fusion}
can you sell tangable goods with micropayments? i have a few sites i'd like extra payment options for for my products
PayAsYouClick is designed for multiple purchases of instant web-delivered content. That's why we focused on the single-click payment / delivery rather than the existing shopping-cart model.

And with a maximum price of $2 we're deliberately not competing with other payment systems more suited to tangible product sales.

Regards

Danny

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 02:23 AM

Jayeff - I'd like to answer your post about site lists etc. You mentioned your experience with tokensystems...

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff
That was the one I used back around '98 and I made a lot of money from it until the operators lost interest.

From experience, there are two main problems with micropayments:

1. You have to sell your site as usual ....

2. ...these payment systems work best if there are plenty of places the surfer can use them (and you can't just tell him there are, you need to show him).....

<snip....>

Any prospect of a list like that?

You've absolutely hit the nail on the head. If a surfer sees one site that takes micropayments, its not worth his effort to sign up and fund an account just to make a few 1 cent payments.

But when he realises that lots of sites take it, some with pictures at 1 cent, some offering 1 hour memberships for $1, others with quality videos at 40c, that's when he's going to sign up.

The real key lies in the traffic system. Remember you get traffic commission on any sites you link to, so it benefits you to link into a network of other PayAsYouClick sites. Once he arrives at the first one, he'll start following links, and discover more and more sites that take it. That's how we educate him that there are lots of sites to spend money at.

PayAsYouClick includes a list of all participating sites, so surfers can see the wide range of sites available. Our list is only available after he's signed up, because we don't want adult branding on the site. But webmasters can take that list and link extensively to those sites. You can also monitor the performance of each of your links and detect any attempt at cheating.

So the real answer is that you can set up your own list, mixed in with free or paysites as you choose to suit your traffic.

Regards

Danny

NaughtyJenn 07-22-2004 02:32 AM

very very good idea..

i do have some questions as well as an idea to see if it is possible with your system. will be contacting very shortly! congrats again!

johnbosh 07-22-2004 02:35 AM

Im gonna try it now

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reak
Traffic Percentage : % Enter a figure between 0 and 50, no percent sign
The percentage of the published price for each click that you will pay to the traffic source

Dynamic Links : Allow Dynamic Links Allow MD5-protected links without requiring link-registration - eg for database-driven sites.


Whats that?


Traffic percentage is the percentage of the click price you will pay to any webmaster that sent the traffic to you. You can set it to zero if you like, but by rewarding traffic sources (BASED ON RESULTS!!) you will attract quality traffic, and show the surfer lots of places to spend money. We add the traffic commission payments to that webmaster's own sales, and pay him on your behalf.

Dynamic Links. You can take an existing free or AVS site and convert it to micropayments in less than an hour. It's mostly just adding "cgi-bin/nph-payasyouclick.cgi?price=2&url=" to the front of your links. You then push a button and we automatically "register" those links, which effectively turns them on. These are static links.

But if you have a big site that generates pages and links on the fly from a database, you can't register your links in advance. This option lets you use an encrypted modified form of link code that doesn't require registration. These are "Dyanamic" links.

Regards


Danny

-=HOAX=- 07-22-2004 02:52 AM

I think micropayments are definitely one key to substantial future revenue.

But, and I hope I'm wrong, I don't see this system pulling it off.

I see the time investment required on the surfer end too costly, and the risk to already timid webmasters too great. There are downsides to being innovative and revolutionary, as I'm sure FM is fully aware of and prepared for.

FM's first to market offering is well thought out, but I think it will be out played by a competing, budding technology.

It's funny to me that no one seems to have seen it yet...or are taking their sweet time to unveil it.

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings
How are the Consumers getting billed? Is it cell phone micro billing?

Looks like a great Program I?m going to have to try it out.

The surfer pre-funds his account with an amount of his choice, using a payment method of his choice. At the moment his choice is somewhat limited - credit cards with a $10 minimum. But we'll be adding other payment systems including SMS. We're negotiating with a couple of SMS providers - please contact me off-board if you can offer us SMS payments.

By pre-funding the account (ie like an e-wallet) we're then able to do the single-click instant payments. This is a very different prospect to typing a phone number in every time you click another picture.

Without doubt, the pre-funding will be the challenge when selling to surfers. That's why they have to see a shed-load of places to buy from.

Regards,
Danny

Mr. Mojo Risin 07-22-2004 03:02 AM

worth a try and worth registering 2centporn.com

$5 submissions 07-22-2004 03:29 AM

Definitely worth a try

Jimmer 07-22-2004 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PayAsYouClick
Hi Jimmer,

You were very supportive of the original idea - I always appreciated your feedback. We learnt a lot from the original concept-trial over a year ago, and this system is a VERY different animal as a result - both technically and commercially.

And although I've been on the outskirts of the adult industry since about '98, its only through the involvement of established merchants that we've been able to tune this system to offer the features and flexibility you need.

Thanks again Jimmers for your positive approach.

Best wishes

Danny

Danny, I'm glad that you stuck to it. This was great timing for you. I wish I was coming to the show, but hope to meet you sometime in the future.

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 03:30 AM

Visit www.onecentporn.com for a sample site - but use FANTASYMAN as the promotion code when you sign up so you get some money in your account. Normally you'd be asked for your card details right after signup.

This is an example of charging by the click - one or two cents for pictures, 20 cents for 1 minute video clips. Of course, you can charge more - maybe increase the price as the set gets harder. But by keeping the low price you'll get the surfer to switch on "auto-confirm" so he just pays by clicking each thumb.

All that's involved is putting your content in a protected directory, putting the cgi bit in front of the links, and including some script for the control panel. You then upload the CGI program, register your site, and away you go. Slightly more to it than that, but not much.

Sorry about the design ;)

Regards

Danny

HarlotCash Dyker 07-22-2004 03:55 AM

I think there is a lot of milegae in this idea -
Are you are setting it up along the lines of AVS where you keep a list of all participating site?
That way, all the traffic generated by webmasters has a chance of making more cash for everyone.

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
I think there is a lot of milegae in this idea -
Are you are setting it up along the lines of AVS where you keep a list of all participating site?
That way, all the traffic generated by webmasters has a chance of making more cash for everyone.

Thanks H.

I don't really want to compare it with an AVS, but there are some similarities.

There is a list of all participating sites inside the user's account pages. If the surfer is on Site A and visits the list, site A will get the traffic commission for any sites he visits.

If on another occasion the sufer just goes straight to payasyouclick, logs in and selects sites from the list, then the original referring merchant gets the traffic commission.

This means that sending an existing surfer to PAYC is never a traffic leak, on the other hand there is a real benefit to being the original referring site for lots of surfers.

Danny

Nysus 07-22-2004 04:34 AM

Bump for you fantasyman. Still looking forward to talking with you. :)

Cheers,
Matt

polish_aristocrat 07-22-2004 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reak
aight

just got

Domain Action Period Result Amount Billed
2dollarvideos.com Register 1 Year Successful $8.95
2dollarteens.com Register 1 Year Successful $8.95
Grand Total $17.90


I think this gonna be the best $17.90 i ever invested

:thumbsup

i dont think domains matter so much here

Mr. Mojo Risin 07-22-2004 04:45 AM

you know the cgi files are empty

nothing in the .zips

run on FreeBSD?

thanks

polish_aristocrat 07-22-2004 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
what he said
quoting yourself?

PayAsYouClick 07-22-2004 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr. Mojo Risin
you know the cgi files are empty

nothing in the .zips

run on FreeBSD?

thanks

Nope, didn't know that. We'll get it sorted right now.

It will almost certainly run on FreeBSD, but we haven't set it up yet. I'll get back to you on that.

Reak 07-22-2004 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
i dont think domains matter so much here
so go register supercoolnewpayperclick2centsand2dollarpervideo.co m or 2centperpornpicture.com is also available

Theo 07-22-2004 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reak
so go register supercoolnewpayperclick2centsand2dollarpervideo.co m or 2centperpornpicture.com is also available
taken! :Graucho


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