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Greg B · 07-21-2004, 12:27 PM

Y'know a few days ago I posted a story about a dude named Idema from my hometown who got busted in Afghanistan for kidnapping people and claiming to be special forces operative. It's a huge story that just appeared on the front page of www.drudgereport.com Now he's saying he has proof he had orders directly from Rumsfeld to do this and I got to thinking, "Hey, there's a hometown connection probably..." and sure as shit Undersecretary of Defense Cambone also grew up in the Poughkeepsie/Hudson Valley area and went to high school there same time as this dude Idema. If Idema proves he was ordered to do this shit you can kiss Rumsfeld's ass goodbye.

American on trial for private "war on terror" claims Rumsfeld link

Wed Jul 21,11:07 AM ET

KABUL (AFP) - A US citizen in court charged with running a private "war on terror" in Afghanistan (news - web sites) claimed he and two other Americans were working with the full knowledge of US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

AFP Photo

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Slideshow: Afghanistan

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Jonathan Idema, who denies charges he detained and tortured Afghan citizens without US government consent, said they were hunting terrorists under the auspices of the Pentagon (news - web sites) and said they had since been abandoned by US authorities.

"The American authorities absolutely condoned what we did, they absolutely supported what we did. We have extensive evidence of that," said Idema, who is on trial with his subordinates Brent Bennett and Edward Caraballo.

US-led coalition forces have disavowed all ties with Idema, while international peacekeeping troops said they were duped into helping Idema's team, who wore US-style uniforms, believing they were legitimate special forces operatives.

Judge Abdul Baset Bahktiari allowed the three men and four Afghan associates on trial with them to delay proceedings for up to 20 days to allow them to prepare a better defense and find adequate translators.

The adjournment came after two Afghan interpreters struggled to translate comments from the judge, prosecution and witnesses, and Idema protested that he and his associates would not be able to get a fair trial.

"It is impossible for us to know what's happening," he said.

US and Afghan authorities allege that Idema's freelance counter-terror cell illegally jailed and tortured eight Afghan citizens without government authority.

The three US men and four Afghans face jail sentences of between 16 and 20 years if found guilty.

Idema said that he had been running a counter-terrorism operation under deep cover for some months and had handed militants he had detained to US-led coalition forces for further questioning on several occasions.

The group had emails, faxes and recordings to prove their links with senior US Defence Department officials, he added.

"We were in contact directly by fax, and email and phone with Donald Rumsfeld's office, with the Deputy Secretary of Defence for Intelligence, and with Kevin Anderson, a four-star rank officer level at the Pentagon."

Idema said that Anderson had offered his group a defence department contract but he had declined.

"We did not want to go under contract because that would meant that we couldn't work with the access to Northern Alliance people we were working with," he said.

He claimed to have handed the Taliban intelligence chief of the eastern Afghanistan city of Jalalabad to the FBI (news - web sites) for questioning and to have foiled bomb plots and assassination attempts on senior Afghan government officials.

Although the trial was formally adjourned, three witnesses who had been held in Idema's private torture chamber gave statements to the court.

Ghulam Sakhi said he was seized while in a taxi en route to Kabul from northern Laghman province. The vehicle was searched and he was bound, hooded and taken to a private jail by Idema and his Afghan associates.

While in captivity Sakhi was scalded with boiling water, had his head repeatedly forced under water and was kicked so badly on his chest he was left with breathing problems, he told the court.

Kabul shopkeeper Sakhi said he gave his captors the name of fellow detainee Mohammed Arif Malikyar, an Afghan Education Ministry official, in an attempt to stop repeated beatings after he failed to recognise any of the pictures of terror suspects Idema's group had showed him.

US news reports said Idema was a bounty hunter who had spent time in jail for fraud, formerly fought with Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan and may have been hunting senior Al-Qaeda leaders in the hope of claiming the substantial rewards on offer.

US forces here are already under fire from rights groups for their mistreatment of detainees in Afghanistan, one of whom died while in custody.

Saturday, May 15, 2004

Lourdes grad is a key adviser to Rumsfeld

By Anthony Farmer
Poughkeepsie Journal

The Associated Press
Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone is an ex-Highland resident.
A key player in shaping the nation's defense strategy at the Pentagon has roots that extend all the way back to the mid-Hudson Valley. A butcher's son from Highland, Stephen Cambone, is now a top adviser to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

He was thrust into the spotlight this week during an appearance before the Senate Armed Services Committee regarding the abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib complex in Iraq. Cambone's formal title is Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, a civilian post.

Cambone graduated from Our Lady of Lourdes High School, in Poughkeepsie, in 1970 and later shared a dorm room at Catholic University with his high school classmate Michael Murphy, now Dutchess County's public works commissioner.

''I've been following his career,'' Murphy said Friday. ''It's quite incredible.''

Cambone's face appeared on television and in newspaper reports during the hearing this week when he disagreed with an Army general over who was in control of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Hearing followed photos

The hearing was held in response to the recent revelation of photos showing Iraqi prisoners forced to pose in sexually degrading positions by their American guards.

Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, the Army general who investigated the abuse of detainees, told the committee on Tuesday that when control of the prison was turned over to military intelligence officials, they had authority over the military police who were guarding prisoners.

Cambone, sitting next to the general, disputed that and said authority for the handling of prisoners had remained with the military police.

Murphy said he hasn't seen Cambone since a high school reunion in 1990.

Cambone's twin sister, Kathryn Brown, also graduated with them, he said. She is now a senior vice president for Verizon and a former chief of staff for the Federal Communications Commission.

Cambone's parents have retired and moved away from the mid-Hudson Valley, he said.

Murphy remembered Cambone as a good guy who came from a good family. He also remembers Cambone as a hard-working student who played a lot of basketball.

The two roommates were always interested in government and politics, but Murphy would have never guessed Cambone would rise to such a high position in the Pentagon. He figured would have pursued a career in academia.

''I had no knowledge in college he'd be interested in weapons systems,'' Murphy said, with a laugh. ''I did not, at that point and time, see him in the position that he's in now, which is pretty incredible.''

Profile

Stephen Cambone

Job: Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence.

Experience: Director, program analysis and evaluation, Office of the Secretary of Defense, July 2002 to March 2003; principal deputy undersecretary of Defense for policy, July 2001 to July 2002; special assistant to the secretary and deputy secretary of defense from January to July 2001.

Education: Our Lady of Lourdes High School, 1970; B.A. in political science from Catholic University, 1973; M.A. in political science from the Claremont Graduate School in 1977; Ph.D. in political science from the Claremont Graduate School in 1982.

Source: U.S. Department of Defense Web site.

crockett · 07-21-2004, 12:33 PM

what was the other post you made on this?

Greg B · 07-21-2004, 03:22 PM

What was my 'other' post???

Probably started with: FUCKED UP!

This story has legs and lemme tell you, it's gonna get hairy over the next two weeks after the 911 report comes out tomorrow. You watch as officials all over start ratting each other out and pointing fingers at one another. All Idema is doing is letting the world know that he got screwed and is willing to stand up and tell it.

07-21-2004, 12:27 PM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Rumsfeld In Deeper Shit. Y'know a few days ago I posted a story about a dude named Idema from my hometown who got busted in Afghanistan for kidnapping people and claiming to be special forces operative. It's a huge story that just appeared on the front page of www.drudgereport.com Now he's saying he has proof he had orders directly from Rumsfeld to do this and I got to thinking, "Hey, there's a hometown connection probably..." and sure as shit Undersecretary of Defense Cambone also grew up in the Poughkeepsie/Hudson Valley area and went to high school there same time as this dude Idema. If Idema proves he was ordered to do this shit you can kiss Rumsfeld's ass goodbye. American on trial for private "war on terror" claims Rumsfeld link Wed Jul 21,11:07 AM ET KABUL (AFP) - A US citizen in court charged with running a private "war on terror" in Afghanistan (news - web sites) claimed he and two other Americans were working with the full knowledge of US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. AFP Photo AP Photo Slideshow: Afghanistan _ Jonathan Idema, who denies charges he detained and tortured Afghan citizens without US government consent, said they were hunting terrorists under the auspices of the Pentagon (news - web sites) and said they had since been abandoned by US authorities. "The American authorities absolutely condoned what we did, they absolutely supported what we did. We have extensive evidence of that," said Idema, who is on trial with his subordinates Brent Bennett and Edward Caraballo. US-led coalition forces have disavowed all ties with Idema, while international peacekeeping troops said they were duped into helping Idema's team, who wore US-style uniforms, believing they were legitimate special forces operatives. Judge Abdul Baset Bahktiari allowed the three men and four Afghan associates on trial with them to delay proceedings for up to 20 days to allow them to prepare a better defense and find adequate translators. The adjournment came after two Afghan interpreters struggled to translate comments from the judge, prosecution and witnesses, and Idema protested that he and his associates would not be able to get a fair trial. "It is impossible for us to know what's happening," he said. US and Afghan authorities allege that Idema's freelance counter-terror cell illegally jailed and tortured eight Afghan citizens without government authority. The three US men and four Afghans face jail sentences of between 16 and 20 years if found guilty. Idema said that he had been running a counter-terrorism operation under deep cover for some months and had handed militants he had detained to US-led coalition forces for further questioning on several occasions. The group had emails, faxes and recordings to prove their links with senior US Defence Department officials, he added. "We were in contact directly by fax, and email and phone with Donald Rumsfeld's office, with the Deputy Secretary of Defence for Intelligence, and with Kevin Anderson, a four-star rank officer level at the Pentagon." Idema said that Anderson had offered his group a defence department contract but he had declined. "We did not want to go under contract because that would meant that we couldn't work with the access to Northern Alliance people we were working with," he said. He claimed to have handed the Taliban intelligence chief of the eastern Afghanistan city of Jalalabad to the FBI (news - web sites) for questioning and to have foiled bomb plots and assassination attempts on senior Afghan government officials. Although the trial was formally adjourned, three witnesses who had been held in Idema's private torture chamber gave statements to the court. Ghulam Sakhi said he was seized while in a taxi en route to Kabul from northern Laghman province. The vehicle was searched and he was bound, hooded and taken to a private jail by Idema and his Afghan associates. While in captivity Sakhi was scalded with boiling water, had his head repeatedly forced under water and was kicked so badly on his chest he was left with breathing problems, he told the court. Kabul shopkeeper Sakhi said he gave his captors the name of fellow detainee Mohammed Arif Malikyar, an Afghan Education Ministry official, in an attempt to stop repeated beatings after he failed to recognise any of the pictures of terror suspects Idema's group had showed him. US news reports said Idema was a bounty hunter who had spent time in jail for fraud, formerly fought with Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan and may have been hunting senior Al-Qaeda leaders in the hope of claiming the substantial rewards on offer. US forces here are already under fire from rights groups for their mistreatment of detainees in Afghanistan, one of whom died while in custody. Saturday, May 15, 2004 Lourdes grad is a key adviser to Rumsfeld By Anthony Farmer Poughkeepsie Journal The Associated Press Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone is an ex-Highland resident. A key player in shaping the nation's defense strategy at the Pentagon has roots that extend all the way back to the mid-Hudson Valley. A butcher's son from Highland, Stephen Cambone, is now a top adviser to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. He was thrust into the spotlight this week during an appearance before the Senate Armed Services Committee regarding the abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib complex in Iraq. Cambone's formal title is Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, a civilian post. Cambone graduated from Our Lady of Lourdes High School, in Poughkeepsie, in 1970 and later shared a dorm room at Catholic University with his high school classmate Michael Murphy, now Dutchess County's public works commissioner. ''I've been following his career,'' Murphy said Friday. ''It's quite incredible.'' Cambone's face appeared on television and in newspaper reports during the hearing this week when he disagreed with an Army general over who was in control of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Hearing followed photos The hearing was held in response to the recent revelation of photos showing Iraqi prisoners forced to pose in sexually degrading positions by their American guards. Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, the Army general who investigated the abuse of detainees, told the committee on Tuesday that when control of the prison was turned over to military intelligence officials, they had authority over the military police who were guarding prisoners. Cambone, sitting next to the general, disputed that and said authority for the handling of prisoners had remained with the military police. Murphy said he hasn't seen Cambone since a high school reunion in 1990. Cambone's twin sister, Kathryn Brown, also graduated with them, he said. She is now a senior vice president for Verizon and a former chief of staff for the Federal Communications Commission. Cambone's parents have retired and moved away from the mid-Hudson Valley, he said. Murphy remembered Cambone as a good guy who came from a good family. He also remembers Cambone as a hard-working student who played a lot of basketball. The two roommates were always interested in government and politics, but Murphy would have never guessed Cambone would rise to such a high position in the Pentagon. He figured would have pursued a career in academia. ''I had no knowledge in college he'd be interested in weapons systems,'' Murphy said, with a laugh. ''I did not, at that point and time, see him in the position that he's in now, which is pretty incredible.'' Profile Stephen Cambone Job: Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. Experience: Director, program analysis and evaluation, Office of the Secretary of Defense, July 2002 to March 2003; principal deputy undersecretary of Defense for policy, July 2001 to July 2002; special assistant to the secretary and deputy secretary of defense from January to July 2001. Education: Our Lady of Lourdes High School, 1970; B.A. in political science from Catholic University, 1973; M.A. in political science from the Claremont Graduate School in 1977; Ph.D. in political science from the Claremont Graduate School in 1982. Source: U.S. Department of Defense Web site.

07-21-2004, 12:33 PM	#2
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	what was the other post you made on this? __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

07-21-2004, 03:22 PM	#3
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	What was my 'other' post??? Probably started with: FUCKED UP! This story has legs and lemme tell you, it's gonna get hairy over the next two weeks after the 911 report comes out tomorrow. You watch as officials all over start ratting each other out and pointing fingers at one another. All Idema is doing is letting the world know that he got screwed and is willing to stand up and tell it.