Wrong dude, do a quick search. Atheists can believe in ghosts. You are equating believing in physics with believing in God. Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww im done with this one.

I do not have an advanced degree in microbiology or theoretical physics but I do have an advanced degree and am quite familiar with the scientific method. Physics is no closer to being able to explain the origin in the universe as microbiology is to being able to explain the origin of life. Mathematicians have calculated that the probability of life or the universe coming into existence by itself (without a cause) is something like 1 in 1-followed by 57 pages of zeros. Do you realize how improbable that is?

100:glugglug

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this thread is moving fast

once again, it is incorrect to say 'without cause' as far as i'm aware all of the current major scientific theories provide cause...

Do you realize how improbable it is for someone to win the lottery? But that happens several times a year. I dont believe your 1 in 1-followed by 57 pages of zeros. What EXACTLY is that for? Its not for "the universe coming into existence by itself" thats for sure. You keep saying without a "cause" like you are assuming that the only "cause" can be God.

Did you even graduate from high school? If you accept the premise that ghosts exist, you must then explain how they come into existence. The point here is that in order to do so, you can no longer hide behind the theory of exolution since this theory is only concerned with the life we can see and touch.

So answer the question (or STFU) .... how did ghosts come into being?

Jimmy Swaggart

The usage of ghosts is just a comparison, belief in God is equivalent to belief in ghosts.

People who believe in God/ghosts do so with no empirical or reproducible evidence.

BECAUSE of the lack of any empirical evidence many people take the position that he/she does not exist.

LOL cant handle the new responses so you dig up old ones? I already answered this in a satisfactory way that you could not successfully argue against.

He may not have graduated high school, but at least he probably realises that the theory of evolution is a theory concerning evolution, not ghosts.

I don't know, but for the upteenth time NOT KNOWING THE ANSWER DOES NOT PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF A GOD!

What would it be then? The statistical impersonality that someone will win the lottery is a really bad analogy, and one that has been used by Dawkins and his followers (quite unconvincingly). The problem is that with the lottery there is a guaranteed outcome, namely, that someone WILL win the lottery. The probability that the universe came into being without a cause has no guaranteed outcome. There is a HUGE difference.

If cause is not god, then what is it? Given the complexity of life and the universe, clearly it would need to have some form of intelligence. The definition of god is, in the simplest terms, a cause with intelligence.

What is YOUR hypothesis?

Not concerning the origin of life or the origin of the universe. That's the point.

Hehe! Better quit while you're behind, Jr.

Give it up, this is something that will be totally ignored.

Theres really no way to prove or disprove.

I think the only way humans will ever get closer to the answer of 'is there a god' is to encounter smart aliens. We are basically glorified monkeys with limited brain power. If there is other life out there, chances are its much smarter than us and may have a much better understanding of the nature of the universe.

Didn't I say that (point 1)?

As two point (2), the analogy betwwen the existence of ghosts and the existence of god is valid.

Personally, i think for someone to say god is all mighty, and all knowing, and use the classic creationist argument that as complex as humans are, there must of been some intelligence involved, shows a lack of intelligence, If someone designed us, shouldn't they of done a better job? humans are extremely flawed, and fragile, and for someone (especially 'god') to have designed us that way, seems retarded. If anything, i _might_ concede the point that god outsourced our design to india!

I find Dawkins very convincing.

I dont need a hypothesis. Leave that to people who spend their life on this subject.

I take that back
My hypothesis is that you are a moron and are not worth arguing with, because you will just backtrack/put words in my mouth/use irrelevant rants to try and prove me wrong.

BTW yes I did graduate high school with a very high GPA. Very high score on the ACT as well.

So you are saying cause does not exist?
:1orglaugh

What you say is true for everything EXCEPT theories regarding the origin of the universe and the origin of life. The big band had no cause. It came out of 'absolute nothingness', which is even more vacuous that 'nothingness'. There have been some attempts to ascribe a cause but these have not caught on, as far as I know.

:)

I can't get the third page of this thread to load so I'll have to check back later.

boobmaster, with everything you have typed, you have done NOTHING to help prove your point. Want to try again?

"And then Noah got two of each animal, one male and one female, and boarded an enormous ark which saved all the species on the planet from a flood" :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dont laugh, it was the size of http://www.freedomship.com/

Robert Tilton.

Jim Bakker.

:eek7 lol .. ok.. seems like you read my post while sneezing,...

Atheists can believe in ghosts.? Yeah so.. where do I say otherwise.!??

Is that so? You are a troll. The ONLY reason you made this post was to ridicule the beliefs of others. You have not provided a single intelligent answer to any of my posts. Since it is clear that you are only trying to bait me at this point, it is pointless for me to waste any more of my time on you.

You have absolutely NO reasoning skills.

The posts that deserve an intelligent answer have been answered and then left dead by you.

You have absolutely no humor skills, because that was a joke.

hmm was probably replying to boobmaster

No he hides behind the "paranormal" theory... "I cannot explain it but it HAS TO be physics..." Call it blind faith if you want.. lol

I don't believe you.

I don't find trolls who get off on making others feel inferior funny.

Hiding? I just copied and pasted someone thoughts from Google. LOL.

No one has given me a reason to research it further and provide more compelling reasons. Tell me why that was wrong.

Dont want to feel inferior? Dont act inferior.

BTW before you say "well just because i defend my belief in god i am inferior?"


no. You are inferior because you inadequately defended your belief in god. You would have been much smarter just to say "I have faith"

I'm done with this thread its boring now.

You have not yet replied to my remarks about evolution and probability. Here, read this and comment:

http://gracefuliving.org/ultimate_questions/imp-073.htm

Oh, and for all the big, fancy words that you don't understand, you can look up the meanings here:

http://www.dictionary.com/

if we were all killed tomorrow would the idea/concept of god die with us? is god just a human idea? does my dog believe in god?

I believe in God and call me a moron or so on, that is your problem.

If you believe in Him all your life, and then die, you get Heaven. Many people ask, " What if i believe in Him and then die and find out that he does not exist?" Well, you didn't lose anything by believing. What if you die and then realize that he exists? What i am trying to say is that it is a win-win situation because even "IF" he does not exist, believing in Him gave me a very nice guideline to live my life and i lived happy.

For those that don't believe, there is nothing i can do about that. Even though they tell me that it is our job to recruit non- believers. There is no way you can change what someone believes in or not. It is a decision that only that person can make for him/her self. So if you do not believe, I totally respect that and I also ask that you respect the fact that I do believe.

Sorry, but when I look around I see the majesty of natural law and natural selection.

It's a beautiful thing.

I do exist, son, and you all are morons under my dominion :glugglug

Could God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself couldnt eat it right away?

(my fav. question of the day)


Also, whether you believe in God (as you yourself define him/her/it), or believe in big-bang/other origin theory, you have to go on a leap of faith at some point.

It's a tree falling in the woods thing.

The belief itself is proof enough to the believer.

one word.

Virtumike.

:-))